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IE 5.5SP2 imcompatible with QuickTime

updated 09:15 am EDT, Fri August 10, 2001

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A note from Apple engineering staff to the QuickTime VR mailing list says that "IE 5.5 SP2 [for Windows] will not use the QuickTime plug-in no matter what you do. Microsoft has disabled all 'Netscape style' plug-ins, there is nothing you can do. Look for information from us about how work around this problem in the near future." [emphasis removed]

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08/10, 09:46am | report spam | close Reply | delete
Netscape style

what will this mean for other plugins such as Shockwave/Flash or Acrobat.

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they are in deep

microsoft keeps drawing that line..... someday someone is going to hurt them.

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08/10, 10:33am | report spam | close Reply | delete
DOJ? Are you listening?

My God, Microsoft are brash with power.

Microsoft were losing the browser war, so what do they do? Force companies to include their browser with every Windows machine. Microsoft are losing the Windows Streaming Media vs. Quicktime war, so what do they do? Force Quicktime to be incompatible. Now every misguided Windows kid is going to say "Man, this Quicktime c*** doesn't work. Apple sucks." This is more of the same ILLEGAL business practice that should cause the split.

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Unfortunately Apple needs

Unfortunately, Apple needs to bite the bullet and rewrite their Quicktime Plug-in for ActiveX.

Yes, it sucks that Microsoft plays these stupid games, but Apple cannot afford to not have Quicktime on Windows. Apple has no choice but to play along.

And to play devil's advocate; maybe, just maybe Microsoft had good reason to drop support for a legacy plug-in architecture (but knowing MS, probably not ;-).

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What a shocker!

Gee, Micro$oft is pulling the plug on accommodating a competitor's product. There's a news item. Of course the great Beast of Redmond is going to pull quicktime compatibility -- how else are they going to get Windows Media Player to gain marketshare despite its poor performance. Unfortunately, the DoJ will likely not be able to move on this, as it is a feature issue, not an integration issue, as was the case with bundling IE and Windows. Besides, M$ is pushing XP out the door before the Government can file and injunction against it shipping. Blech!

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Re: Unfortunately

And to play devil's advocate; maybe, just maybe Micro$oft had good reason to drop support for a legacy plug-in architecture (but knowing MS, probably not ;-).

Considering that most every plug-in in existence currently uses the Netscape format, this isn't exactly legacy. And remember, if you want to talk about legacy support, Microsoft is just now dropping compatibility for ISA cards within widows.

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Haven't Learned a THING

Microsoft is just ignoring everything handed down from the justice department and are continuing to cut out third parties while enhancing their own products. Someone just the other day asked me why I loathed Microsoft so much...made me realize how many people have absolutely no idea what kind of arrogant, illegal business practices these cowboys indulge in. They are making a mockery of the US Justice System.

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Bollocks

Virtually every plug-in for Windows has been written as an ActiveX control for years now including all the biggies like PDF, Flash, Shockwave, IPIX and so on. I'm surprised that QT wasn't already written as ActiveX, that's just the way you do things on Windows, it's not really up to Microsoft to support legacy technology, it's up to Apple to keep up with recent trends in software design, even if it is a competitor's product.

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Exactly

Blame Apple for sticking with outdated technology. Maybe this will force Apple to make a prodcut that actually works under Windows. It's like crying because Apple removed 68k compatibility from OSX.

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ActiveX?

Is Microsoft STILL beating that dead horse (ActiveX). They should take a lesson from Apple's decision to dump OpenDoc and lay that pony to rest. To the above commentors: Why is up to Apple to support an obsolete, legacy Microsoft technology instead of just using the standard method?

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ActiveX?

"Is Microsoft STILL beating that dead horse (ActiveX)"

You've been sitting behind you mac *way* too long. The only reason you don't hear about it anymore is becuase it is *VERY* commonplace. It's no longer a buzzword.

"Why is up to Apple to support an obsolete, legacy Microsoft technology instead of just using the standard method"

Like I said, you have this backwards. ActiveX *is* the standard method. It is the Netscape plugin standard that is now old and obsolete.

Microsoft supported netscape style plug-ins for a *long* time. And they told developers that in the future, only ActiveX plug-ins would be supported. Everyone writing high profile plug-ins, except apple, moved to ActiveX.

Look, I have no love for Microsoft. But blaming this on them is silly. Apple should have gotten off thier butt a *LONG* time ago and rewrote as QT as activeX.

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AX doesn't do Macs

ActiveX is great if you're on Windows, but it's for sh*t on Macs. Sure the Netscape is legacy, but so is HTML. HTML may have been modified, but it's not being made obsolete but other languages.

It's frustrating enough that there are sites out there that Mac users can't access because of ActiveX bugs. Why can't Microsoft stay compatible? PDF, Flash, QT, etc. still work well in Netscape! Sure go ahead and advance ActiveX but not at the expense of standards.

No, I have to agree that this is the well worn policy of Microsoft's to control the entire "sandbox".

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QuickTime Users

QT is very cross-platform and anything but 'dated' software. It's interesting to note that for every 4 QT users 3 are on Windows. So, who's getting left out here?

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Windows QT Users

It's interesting to note that for every 4 QT users 3 are on Windows. So, who's getting left out here?

But I don't think Windows users are going to drop Windows and go Mac just because of QuickTime.

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ActiveX

It's actually a much better archicecture than Netscape plug-ins, and beside ActiveX's are code-signed, which is not be end-all in security but it's certainly better than what Netscape had, which is nothing.

I am puzzled though, that dropping support for plug-ins happened in IE 5.5 SP 2 rather IE 6.

QuickTime for Windows used to have some OLE support. But it doesn't seem to exist now...

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All your base...

You have been owned by Microslut, thank you for your time.

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WMP is better

On WMP vs. Quicktime. I'm confident that in a side-by-side comparison of the 2, WMP will come out on top. QT on Windows stinks. This decision by Microsoft surely sucks though.

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Couple of points

Firstly, active x is *only* a windows standard. its not on the maac its not on unix. This is really an act of predatory propriatization.

Its also odd to change your api support in a SP. A major change like this is left for major releases.

I wonder how many devlopers MS told this was happening. I doubt many.

This is increase devlopment cost for companies, and ultimately force devlopers to abandon the mac market.

All the .asf files i have ever seen (including the sample that comes with WMP 7 are horrid POSs. Sorensen kicks their a**.

And dont forget, active x is that wonderful technology that brings you all that virus like web content.

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Sorensen3 sucks a5s

Sorensen 3 is a sh*tty proprietary codec that pales in comparison to open sourced Mpeg4.

As for the Maclots talking about ActiveX on the Mac, why the f*ck are you talking abou that? This is in regards to Quicktime for WINDOWS. No mention of the Mac OS anywhere in the story.

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ActiveX on the Mac

"As for the Maclots talking about ActiveX on the Mac, why the f*ck are you talking about that"

This stupid question has a simple answer that you could have found a few posts earlier : "This increases development cost for companies, and ultimately force developers to abandon the Mac market." And I would also add the Netscape market, since Netscape (on the PC and the Mac) doesn't use Active X either.

The browser plug-in was a Netscape innovation embraced by Microsoft. MS did what it needed to dominate this market, then changes the rules to force plug-in makers to use only their proprietary technology. That way, they make sure more and more sites will be "MSIE only", thus making Netscape, Opera and all the other browsers for the Mac and the PC less appealing for the end user. And that is how an empire conquers new territory...

All this to explain "why the f*ck" he was talking about that.

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Wow! (Really)

For us Windows QuickTime developers, this is actually great news.
We've been moaning about getting Apple to ship a QuickTime ActiveX viewer for a long time, and finally it's their worst competitor (MS) that makes it happen!
This is a serious blow to Windows Media as an ActiveX control will make it much easier to support showing QuickTime movies in IE, Word, Excel - you name it - and from any Visual Basic app (very much used for prototyping and small apps).
I really hope that we will see an Apple-supplied QT ActiveX control soon (there is one Britisk commercial QT control).
The next step which we sadly, judging from history, will never see but one that would make QT gain enormous developer momentum on Windows is a full COM interface (and a .NET class interface) just like there is a Java QuickTime interface.
Remember - you who moan about QuickTime on Windows - QuickTime Player may be a dog but QuickTime itself is just - well - awesome.

PS- Isn't 2001 QuickTime's 10th anniversary? At least there's a very nice MacTech article from 1991 that talks about the release of QuickTime 1.0 - the new API for any time-based data.

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Microsoft USE QuickTime

here:
http://encarta.msn.com/find/MediaMax.asp?pg=3&ti=040bc000&idx=461536964

they can push Windows Media Player as much as they want, they still need QuickTime for the VR panoramas....

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IE 5.5SP2 imcompatible with QuickTime

updated 09:15 am EDT, Fri August 10, 2001

Netscape style

they are in deep

DOJ? Are you listening?

Unfortunately Apple needs

What a shocker!

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Haven't Learned a THING

Bollocks

Exactly

ActiveX?

ActiveX?

AX doesn't do Macs

QuickTime Users

Windows QT Users

ActiveX

All your base...

WMP is better

Couple of points

Sorensen3 sucks a5s

ActiveX on the Mac

Wow! (Really)

Microsoft USE QuickTime

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