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Apple posts NetInfo document

updated 03:05 pm EDT, Wed July 25, 2001

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Last week, Apple released a document titled, "Understanding and Using NetInfo", which explains how to set up Mac OS X Server and the built-in NetInfo directory system to increase the power of your Mac OS X network." [pdf]

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WOW! I FINALLY GOT ONE! YESSSSS! THIS IS SOOO COOOL AAAHAHAHHHHH!H!!!!

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Please

First "Apple, please sell a G3 tower with 3 PCI slots and no monitor for $799" Post.

Seriously, geeks would line up to buy these and run OSX. Please sell them!

If Apple can profit on the iMac at $799, they can surely profit on the same computer with no monitor at $799. Please?

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Congratulations. Your life is now complete and you can die happy. Perhaps in your next life you'll set your expectations a little higher?

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And this has what to do with the topic of the article?

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Well I must admit it is better than the all the * belong to *
and the i posted first a-holes

I am happy Apple finally has some NetInfo info out. The only stuff I could find on NetInfo was from the days when NeXt was NeXt and the OS was OpenStep.

It is taking apple time to get its doc in order... oh around march/april Apple was looking for interns to write tech docs... I see they found a few :)

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Netinfo

It was somewhat cool back in the NeXT days. These days it's a dinosaur, incompatible with the rest of the world, and frankly completely useless. The only reason we're stuck with this c*** is that it's the brainchild of one of Steve's lieutenants, and the cretin won't let go. It's really amazing how these guys from NeXT are using their newfound relative strength position to attempt to shove their failed technologies down Apple's customer's throats. Frankly, I'm really sick of it. I love the Mac, but this mongrel they're trying to get us to buy into is a real piece of c***. It's not only a hodgepodge collection of irrelevant technologies, it's also full of bugs and slow as molasses. Enough already.

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Netinfo

It was somewhat cool back in the NeXT days. These days it's a dinosaur, incompatible with the rest of the world, and frankly completely useless. The only reason we're stuck with this c*** is that it's the brainchild of one of Steve's lieutenants, and the cretin won't let go. It's really amazing how these guys from NeXT are using their newfound relative strength position to attempt to shove their failed technologies down Apple's customer's throats. Frankly, I'm really sick of it. I love the Mac, but this mongrel they're trying to get us to buy into is a real piece of c***. It's not only a hodgepodge collection of irrelevant technologies, it's also full of bugs and slow as molasses. Enough already.

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Granted NetInfo is *c**** but it is nice to know what your working with. So its now a tad better but still sub rate.

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First posts are easy. Try being the last post--and not just the latest one.

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Net Info

NetInfo needs work, but Apple has need enterprise level directory services for a long time. You cannot compete in the enterprise market without directory services available for your server-client relationship.

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c***?

NetInfo is FAR from c***; it's heirarchical (unlike NIS), very powerful, and it's compatible with EVERYTHING, since lookupd has agents for NIS, LDAP, DNS, as well as NetInfo.

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LDAP

Apple *has* implemented LDAP (directory services) into the Mac OS (Classic and OS X) as a core technology, but it has expected (waited for) third-parties to expose and make use of the foundation it has built.

Netscape kinda sorta used it and rolled their own code.

That is how Apple works vs. the Microsoft approach of making their own proprietary protocols, bundled software and private APIs and forcing everyone to use it or nothing at all.

Apple loses out on the mindshare because there is no visible "support" for various technologies without a token app to make use of them.

One shining example is the wealth of built in security features of Mac OS 9 that barely anyone is using outside of the Keychain (and even then hardly anyone uses it STILL).

Apple could have helped with this last one by releasing support for slightly older OSes so that all the people who are still NOT using Mac OS 9 let alone OS X can at least decrypt the encrypted files you can create.

Note that OS X also threw out most of the supporting securtiy APIs for various high level features like digital certificates and file signing in favor of goddamned Open Source/non-patented solutions that could be released with Darwin into the public domain.

Blah Open Source, protecting intellectual property was recognized by the framers of the (US) constitution more than 200 years ago. Until we reach a Star Trek perfect civilization where everyone can get any job and always have "stuff" Capitalism works and part of that ideal is protecting your intellectual property Napster and Open Source be damned.

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Open Source

...but if people write stuff and *want* to give it away to us for free, why should we be complaining? I'm not! If people want to give stuff away, that's their right, as long as we're not forcing people to go open source.

I like having the choice between something I could pay for when I need real high-quality stuff, and something that is free and gets the job done. GIMP is nice when you are just a hobbyist and not a pro who would have more need to spend the huge amount Photoshop costs...

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But you have to remember not everyone is like you. Walk into any colleges CS senior class talk to the studnets and a nice chunck see open source as the way computers should be... hey some even refuse to step foot in a windows or mac lab. Some people take it way out of hand.. makes me wonder how they think they will make money.

Now if some makes a nifty little app and gives it a way for free grreat. Uses some of the nifty little apps on your program fine. But once you center peice is all open source then your going to have problems. It is a funny balancce between open source stuff and homemade stuff.

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Net Info documentation

the PDF file mentioned explains theory behind NetInfo, but really doesn't go into details about how to use it - so if you are new to Unix, this will be of NO HELP at all. C'mon Apple release a simple "how to use for Dummies" type of guide for using this piece of cr@p!!!! We use Macs so we don't have to use this kind of junk - the least you could do is tell us how to use it if you are going to force us on it.

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NetInfo is c***?

For those of you uninformed enough to make judgements on things you do not yet understand, NetInfo is the basis for Microsoft's NT networking. It is also based on traditional Wide Area Networking strategies. NetInfo works better with the world than any other networking schematic ever concieved for the MacOS.
There is nothing wrong with, nor has there ever been. What is wrong is the implementation of it by OSX developers. This is mostly because, like you people, developers have not taken the time to understand it. Read the article, learn a thing or two, then come back and comment on NI.

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This is what apple really needs. Apple's stock price is in the s******. People are let down because there is no new iMac, no 1ghz G4, no speedbumped Ti, no handheld. Apple's doing okay, considering the economy, but things don't look good in the future with no new product and OSX native apps lagging. No Photoshop for OSX, etc. What does Apple need?

Apple needs an affordable computer that geeks will like. Geeks like Unix, geeks like the stability of OSX. Right now though, geeks don't like Mac. Why? Geeks like to tinker and play with their computers. They are willing to spend large $ on computers, but they also expect cutting edge stuff.

The iMac, although reasonably priced, is not suitable. It has no slots, and upgrade possibilities are limited. The G4 tower looks nice, and offers good expansion, but looks pricey when compared to a P4 or Athlon system for $999.

The problem is clear - the G4 is an attractive computer, but it's a ripoff. If Apple can produce the iMac and sell it for $900, why does the G4 tower cost $1699? Supposedly the G4 chip only costs about $50 more than the G3 in the quantity Apple buys. And the G4, unlike the iMac, doesn't come with a monitor! It does have gigabit ethernet (which most people can't even make use of - but let's say it's worth $50).

If the iMac monitor is worth $50, that cancels out the ethernet. So there is a net cost difference of $800, for a computer that is marginally faster for most computing tasks given the same clockspeed.

This pricing has played out in the marketplace, where Apple's fairly priced portables have an easy job competing with PCs. No one wants the overpriced G4, or the limited capabilities of the iMac, however, and sales have sagged.

An ideal solution would be to introduce an economy priced computer, in the price range of the iMac, that featured the better expansion capabilities of the G4 tower.

Based on simple economics, it's easily possible for Apple to produce such a machine and make a profit. Current iMacs can be had for $900. Our hypothetical G3 tower doesn't need a monitor (power users already have one) so we save $50 right off the bat. Put that $50 towards a motherboard with 1 AGP and 3 PCI slots. Instead of the iMacs' custom shaped enclosure, use a standard ATX case. Make it blue, silver, whatever you like. That costs us nothing over the iMac. You're left with a tower computer, powered by a fast G3, with 4 slots for expansion to satisfy the power users, onboard USB and FireWire, built in 10/100 ethernet, 56k modem, all at the price of the current low end iMac - $900. Apple would even say money on storage and shipping, since without a monitor, it would be lighter. So it could easily hit the $900 price point, and maybe $800.

Except since it can be tweaked, non-entry level people actually would buy this machine (unlike the iMac).

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Apple doesn't really care about the Linux/PC dark-room hackers/tinkerers. The consumer and corporate markets dwarf that by such an amount that it isn't even on the scope. Apple isn't trying to win over Linux power users with OS X - think about it - those people don't pay for anything! You can't run a company on intellectual payoff (How about an Open-Source economy?). Apple is clearly targetting 16 yr olds and completely computer illiterate people with the iMac - a market that they saturated.

BTW - computer sales are down all around because the demand has been met - by most accounts, people that want a computer have one. I sure hope Steve and Bill read these forums - they could learn a thing or two. ;)

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