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Afternoon tech news: IBM, Microsoft

updated 05:20 pm EDT, Wed July 18, 2001

 
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Afternoon tech news: IBM has met expectations for its fiscal quarter, posting earnings of $2 billion on sales of $21.6 billion; Microsoft is asking the court to revisit its browser ruling, and is downplaying its decision to not include Java in Windows XP. Meanwhile, Apple CEO Steve Jobs noted during today's semi-annual financial analyst meeting that Java and Unix applications are the fastest-growing segment of its developer programs, due in part to a strong Java 2 implementation in Mac OS X.


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    BY JAVA

    we knew u knot. have to use microsofts java and browser and.....i tried to upload art at cafepress for a mousepad and i couldnt c the upload button in icab netscape or opera. hopped on the pc with internetexploder, well what do you know it had the upload button. and weeks before they said they were switching to some dum a** microsoft package. bigger yes. better no. less expensive yes. gonna s**** u in the future? h*** yes. cant someone flush the toilet and dog microshaft bak to h***?

    berserkintosh@yahoo.com

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    WHAT?!

    Am I the only person alive who sees this IS a big deal? It goes like this. Microsoft competes in browser war with Netscape and wins by using leverage in Windows. Consumers now mostly use IE. Since MS wanted it, it got it. Now MS feels that Java is a threat to its .Net Strategy and wants to kill Java. So again it uses leverage in Windows to kill it, but this time less bluntly. But most users won't know how to GET Java so they won't miss it. But since Java was supposed to be universally cross platform...this kinda screws the point doesn't it? What's next? Kill C and make all .Net programming ASP and XML? Wanna be a programmer for Windows? Learn XML and ASP in a hurry cuz your object oriented skills are gonna be trash soon. Maybe I'm paranoid but its a familiar story. The first step towards the death of any computer software is having it not be supported by Windows. And since nonstandard support for users might as well equal no support, Java may soon hear bells. I hope not. Lets hope ALL the PC makers include it! DO IT! PLEASE!!!

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    If Microsoft wants to rub

    out Java, then cool. Mac OS X has excellent Java support. This OS would be a wonderful home for those 2,500 Java programmers so s**** them then. They will develop some top applications for Mac OS X.

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    playing for keeps

    It is ironic (perhpas even hypocritical) that MS espouses its support for standards such as XML and then decides to remove support for Java. MS believes its big enough that it doesn't need to compete with other operating systems by incorporating it. A clear example of its own belief in its monopoly market power.

    From a wider perspective it indicates how much MS is alienating itself from all other OS makers who are are converging on Unix based operating systems. With the effective demise of Be OS as the only potential alternative, the OS market is being divided into two camps. MS will have a much more difficult time competing against a unified front and may end up losing developers and users as a result of its decision to not preinstall Java.

    Although many people have disparaged Java, mostly due to initial over-hype, it is actually growing rapidly and its deployment is spreading. Although their aim is to slow deployment MS is playing a dangerous game by removing support for Java.

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    Strong Java2 on OSX? NOT!

    Anyone who thinks that the java2 implementation on osx is "strong" is high on crack. It is the slowest and buggyest implementation available today, and Apple pays little if any attention to the the needs of java developers unless they are developing specifically for OSX. Most mainstream java applications either will not run on OSX, or look like c*** when they do. As far as using java to write Aqua/Cocoa apps - forget it - the API's are just not complete, and the documentation is mostly in the heads of Apple engineers.

    Java2 on OSX is a DOG. Just compare it to java2 on LinuxPPC on the same hardware and you'll notice that LinuxPPC java2 apps launch and run 3-5 times faster. Oh, and they don't give you blank windows if you minimize and then maximize the applications the way OSX does. And hey, guess what, on linux you can get them to run without going to the command line too!


    Go browse the archives at Apple's java developer list and you'll see that not only the 3rd party developers, but Apple's own engineers frequently point out to "complainers" that the java2 on OSX is only beta quality, and it will get fixed eventually (so shut up about the bugs and the performance!).


    Steve's reality distortion field is working overtime on this one...

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    MS shoots self in foot

    MSFT blew it this time. Though Java in OS X may be "beta quality" (see above), it looks like the Mac will be the premier Java platform to develop on from now on. If MSFT thinks Java will "go away" after all the man-years of effort developers put into it--- they are smoking bad weed. What would replace it-- Csharp? no way.

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    macnn now promotes win XP

    oh boy i didnt know macnn promotes m$ products and services now, who cares if m$ removed java from XP ? will m$ now force apple to remove MRJ or Java 2 from mac os classic or mac os X ?

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    This sucks

    The whole point of Java is you can develop an app and have it run on multiple platforms. The fact that these apps will no longer run on Windows by default is a fairly bad thing. This will discurage developes from chosing Java to develop and it will inturn hurt the flow of cross platform java apps for *nix and MacOS.

    All in all this is just another sign of MS wanting to dominate cool technologies... it is really f'n annoying. MS would much rather we all used dot net and windows media instead of java and mp3. God I hate MS

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    Downloads

    Hey, most Windoze computers have QuickTime installed on them, because it's arrived on some CD or was needed to view some web site. Same thing will happen with Java - a web page won't work and it'll say 'click here to install'. See the number of PC users trying things like Limewire? Needs Java, doesn't it?

    The effect will be that PCs will have someone else's (i.e. Sun's) Java VM installed, rather than M$'s. Sounds good to me.

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