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Apple releases Mac OS X 10.0.4

updated 05:00 pm EDT, Thu June 21, 2001

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Michael S. notes that Apple has released Mac OS X 10.0.4 via the Software Update control panel. The 10.0.4 Update delivers a significant number of improvements for USB devices including additional external device support for iTunes CD burning, improved battery life for many PowerBook G3 systems, and Classic compatibility improvements. This update also provides the latest security updates to OpenSSH and 'sudo' services and includes support for Apple's newest digital flat-panel, the 17-inch Apple Studio Display. [updated]

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build 4Q12

I have it now..where do I go to see what's been added? can't tell anything different.

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Here's the read me...

I opened the package in the receipts folder...Enjoy

joshuaaf@mac.com

The 10.0.4 Update delivers a significant number of improvements for USB devices including additional external device support for iTunes CD burning, improved battery life for many PowerBook G3 systems, and Classic compatibility improvements. This update also provides the latest security updates to OpenSSH and 'sudo' services and includes support for Apple's newest digital flat-panel, the 17-inch Apple Studio Display.

Note: The 10.0.4 Update will update Mac OS X v 10.0.3 to Mac OS X v 10.0.4.

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Bah

Lame update, cleary just intended so the VST external CDR will work with tiBooks.

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Improved battery life!

This is one of the main things I've been waiting for--improved batterly life for my Pismo under OS X. I hope this is a NOTICABLE difference! Getting ready to update now...

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Losers

"I just creamed"

Get a girlfriend.

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Hmmm...

4Q12...

No DVD (yet)...
Noticeable speed up of Finder scroll/redraw on G4/400 and PBG4/500.

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10.0.4 wont up 10.0.4

Well, of course I installed the 'leaked' 10.0.4.

Just tried deleting the 10.0.4 update in /library/receipts

Then ran software update - no 10.0.4 update was listed as available.

~moby1

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all i want is dvd

one thing keeps me booting to os9, dvd
one thing keeps me in classic, office

gimme both and the world will be a good place again

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iSub

does the iSub work yet?

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Security Update

This patch is really there to address the security problems with OpenSSH and sudo. You can expect Apple to release system upgrades very quickly after discovering security holes, and they'll roll in any other stuff they have ready when the secutiry patches are done (like the CD-R and battery improvements).

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good question

thats the only reason I havent bought the isub yet

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another pewnie update

I'm sick of these tiny updates. I want to see some action.
I'm getting frustrated.

Julz

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dissapointment

a mild dissapointment, but perhaps only because the mac community builds up these updates so much, talking about what they could have and how long its taking for it to come out. after all this update is 10 times better than 10.0.3 was

SWGS

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Lame

Today is the either the last day of spring or the first day of summer. Where's the DVD apple? Huh? Not that I personally care about DVD, but they promised it and did not deliver.

I also agree this update is just pointless. They're saving anything big for MWNY... that is also very annoying. s**** you apple.

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re: another puwnie update

Welcome to the Unix upgrade cycle...that's the tradeoff you get for all of the power, you must be vigilant with patches. Apple is doing a good job in getting out security patches quickly, and instead of alarming customers and making it seem like they are always doing security patches (a fact of life in the Unix world), the roll the security patches in with OS upgrades, givin us little bits of extra funcionality each time. I'd say it's a win for customers, tho. We get new bits every month or so, rather than waiting 6-8 months for an OS revision the way we used to for os 8 and 9.

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Speed

Let me guess 6 to 8% speed increase.
This update sucks.

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WOW!!!

sweet, i can still burn MUSIC ONLY to additional CD drives???! wow thanks apple.

GIVE ME DATA BURNING. CHRIST.

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DVD works!!!!!

My Toshiba DVD player now works perfectly since I updated to 10.0.4. Of course, it works even if my mac is turned off. Go figure!

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Timing

The Finder and application launching are significantly faster, but Apple is adding insult to injury by releasing an update on the day of their second blown DVD deadline that doesn't include DVD.

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re: another puwnie update

Welcome to the Unix upgrade cycle...that's the tradeoff you get for all of the power, you must be vigilant with patches. Apple is doing a good job in getting out security patches quickly, and instead of alarming customers and making it seem like they are always doing security patches (a fact of life in the Unix world), the roll the security patches in with OS upgrades, givin us little bits of extra funcionality each time. I'd say it's a win for customers, tho. We get new bits every month or so, rather than waiting 6-8 months for an OS revision the way we used to for os 8 and 9.

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Speed!

Yeah! A speed increase who would want/need that!

You Jerk!

GJO

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Fried my hard drive!

Now my 1.7 Ghz Pentium Pro with Altivec titanium iBooK! won't even boot into XP. that's it, I am going back to OS/2 on my Quadra 605.

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About Mac Os

What is the build number under Mac OS in the Apple Menu?

Is it 4Q4 or something later?

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Build

4Q12

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to all let down

you mean you feel let down because it didn't live up to the rumors? i don't get it.

i think its another great step in a great os.

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I hate myself

Why oh why must I suffer so. Oh the Humanity! I am going to feed myself to rabid chipmunks.

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Uninstalls themes

geez, apple must really hate people having third party themes. both 10.0.2 and .0.4 have uninstalled my theme when installing.. i just re-add it manually but its annoying. Ahhhh the stripes!!! NO!!!! I HATE TEH STRIPES!!!!!

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yay

it didn't change my browser preference back to IE like all previous upgrades did.

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DVD?

I would say data burning is a higher priority than a DVD player.

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Menus

Is it just me or have pull down menus been downgraded in their priority status under the new scheduler

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Rev A Imac loads faster

My Rev A iMac now starts up faster. Finder is 20% more responsive. I have Omniweb, Mail App and OSXVNC loading at start up, Boot time down from 4min 40 secs to 3min 10secs. Made my Imac usable in OSX. Great update

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Rev A Imac loads faster

My Rev A iMac now starts up faster. Finder is 20% more responsive. I have Omniweb, Mail App and OSXVNC loading at start up, Boot time down from 4min 40 secs to 3min 10secs. Made my Imac usable in OSX. Great update

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install error

My software update says there was an install error, but I software update tells me that I am up to date. If I delete the 10.0.4Update.pkg directory will it allow me to download the update again?

Thanks for the help.

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No noticable difference

I understand that this update has security patches and support for apple's new monitor, but after using it for 10 minutes its just the same OSX to most of us. It is not faster. Anyone seeing this, it is just a placebo effect.

I am really looking forward to 10.1, when there will actually be new features and hopefully a real speed increase. And maybe, just maybe, apple will let us watch DVD's and burn stuff to CD's other than music.

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optimizing takes forever.

out of all the updates so far, the "optimizing system" part of this one is the longest of any, by far. Nearly 20 minutes on my machine. OUch.

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Brightness

The brightness buttons now work on my tiBook

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4Q4 will not upgrade

I've already seen one post concerning this. If you received the 4Q4 seed (either legitimately or illegitimately) you may be in for a bad turn. It would seem that machines that have upgraded to 4Q4 can not access the 4Q12 build. This may be exceedingly bad if 10.0.5 expects 4Q12 and causes the (oh so Stable) os to become unreliable. If anyone comes up with a way to upgrade, please post. (At least for the ppl who may have received 4Q4 legitimately)

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Scheduler fixed?

The new kernel is "Darwin Kernel Version 1.3.7: Sat Jun 9 11:12:48 PDT 2001"

Anyone know if the scheduler was fixed in this kernel?

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Brightness

Bummer - mine's still not :(

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X Server updates, but..

The version doesn't seem to update the X Server "About" dialogue. That still shows MacOS X Server 10.0.3 1Z12. This after 10.0.4 installed fine, optimized, and rebooted.

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Broke SSH

I had manually upgraded to openSSH 2.9 since apple was using 2.3 or whatever. Luckily apple thinks no one would ever do this, so to anyone who has updated SSH manually, this update will break it.

Thanks apple.

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OS X Server??

Did you see any updates in the software panel using OS X Server? Really? I don't. Running 10.0.3.

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re: ssh

ssh is fine here. I upgraded to 2.9 via stepwise's instructions

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Brightness...

the keys weren't working on my TiBook...until I opened System Prerences.. Then they worked fine... Even after quitting System Preferences... Wierd...

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10.0.4

improves speed on both my TiBook and G4/400. Unfortunately, on the G4/400, Classic won't load now (see http://www.macosxcentric.com for more details...). I'm reinstallilng 10.0.0 and going through all the updates (urgh) again to see if that fixes it....

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update

nothing spectacular, but it does seem more stable. not what i expected though. i wanted more

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usb cdrw

my que usb cdrw still isnt supported (sigh)

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???????

If I click on update in the Software Update pane it just starts showing me the damn barber pole. How long do I have to wait to exactly get it? Last time I just went and downloaded the package directly from Apple's website.

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one bonus

10.0.4 did fix one noticeable problem on my G3: lack of sound control for the external speakers. After 10.0.3, the volume control would only regulate the internal speaker (and it would be on even if external speakers were plugged in). Sure I'd be happy to see other improvements (DVD, speed, etc)., but it's at least reassuring to see that the development cycle is continuing at a quick pace.

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Error in 10.0.4

First of all I experience a 15-20% speedboost on my Pismo/500!!! Way to go Apple ;-)

I tried to hide the dock and that's also a lot faster now BUT when the dock is hided and I try to drag a file into the trashcan etc. the dock doesn't show!!!!!!

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Fixes monitor sleep

One NICE thing about this fix is that it corrected a problem with video distortion after a monitor sleep. On my DP 500 with an ATI Radeon, waking the monitor after a sleep resulted in a wierd "vertical striping effect" when moving any windows. Occassionally, even the whole display would be gray after a monitor wake-up. Now monitor wake-ups work fine.

Next step is to permit the system to actually SLEEP when it has 3rd party PCI cards. 10.1?

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Detailed changes

http://asu.info.apple.com/swupdates.nsf/artnum/n12181

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one bonus

10.0.4 did fix one noticeable problem on my G3: lack of sound control for the external speakers. After 10.0.3, the volume control would only regulate the internal speaker (and it would be on even if external speakers were plugged in). Sure I'd be happy to see other improvements (DVD, speed, etc)., but it's at least reassuring to see that the development cycle is continuing at a quick pace.

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IE spinner

Did the update mess up Internet Explorer's spinner for anybody else?

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Error in 10.0.4??

First of all I experience a 15-20% speedboost on my Pismo/500!!! Way to go Apple ;-)

I tried to hide the dock and that's also a lot faster now BUT when the dock is hided and I try to drag a file into the trashcan etc. the dock doesn't show!!!!!!

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data burning - priority

I'll chime in and say that writing data CDs
from OS X is a high priority for me, too.
Just in case Apple or any other smart company
working on CD writing software is listening...

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Faster Pismo

My PowerBook G3 (Pismo) is also faster. Window resizing, genie effect, scrolling in the finder, etc. All faster. Now if my Blue and White G3 could be as fast as my PowerBook in OS X (i have no clue how that works out) and if iTunes didn't bog the entire system down so much, i'd be happy for a couple weeks :o)

-Cory Bauer
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10.0.4 freezes with PCI R

Install 10.0.4 with care if you use a PCI Radeon to drive a second screen. It causes a 100% reproducible system freeze on my G4+ (733 MHZ).

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Speed Increase in 10.0.4

There is a speed increase on my Pismo 500 as well and it isn't a "placebo effect" as someone suggested earlier. It isn't blindingly fast, but it IS faster all the same. We still have room for improvement, but the speed gap with 9.1 is closing.

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pci radeon and crash?

what do you do to make the crash happen, you said "100% reproducible" Or do you mean turning the machine on frags the system. and when you say crash, do you mean kernel panic or simple cursor freeze or grey screen of nothingness on the second monitor? thanks

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Speed increase on my pism

I have also a Pismo/400 and the first improvement I can see it's a general speed improvement (genie effect,resizing,dock,...). One more thing, the battery "lifetime" have considerably increased !!

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Data burning for CDR/RW?

10.0.4 does have some new CDR/CDRW drivers in it. We MIGHT get an OS X version of Disc Burner before too long. All by itself 10.0.4 won't really do that (although Roxio might be able to get Toast 5.1 carbon out the door at last - that is IF 10.0.4 really does have better CDR/CDRW support in it).

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dvd

osx takes backseat until dvd support is added!

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Disappointing but Helpful

I must say I was a bit disappointed but it does seem a bit snappier on my G4 Sawtooth 350 with 512mb of Ram. DVD isn't a big concern for me as I have a nice HT setup but I wish they'd get Data CD burning in there. Oh well hopefully toast x will be out soon and usb overdrive. I wanna use my scroll wheel in all apps!

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WOOHOO!

NOW GIVE US THE DAMN DVD SUPPORT ALREADY!

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More iTunes c***?

Ok, iTunes is nice... do they really need MORE updates?! How about getting my USB stuff working as it should first!!!! And fixing the numerous problems I have with Mail!!

Apple's priorities are a little off once again!

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Still to slow

For everyday use it's still to slow. Still too many incompatabilities. It is slightly faster but it's still to slow.

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SOUND!?

I lost sound completely when I upgraded! I have a 2001 G4/533 with Harmon Kardon Sound Stix and now ... nada. Sound works great in 9.1 and worked great in OS X about 30 minutes ago. Now I hear NOTHING. Thanks Apple for rendering OS X useless on my machine. Sheit.

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Install Time

I updated both my dual usb ibook and my dual 533 g4. The G4 took only 5 minutes to download, install and optimize. The ibook, with 192MB of RAM, took almost 30 minutes to do the same task. That that as you will.

Now if only I could burn a damn data CD. And...oh yeah...actually use a Macromedia / Adobe product.

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Any Upgrade is a Good One

Judging by the ASU article quoted above, you may be able to upgrade a nonstandard version of 10.0.4 (pre release, etc) by downloading the standalone installer from that page and running it; that's their recommendation if you're installing 10.0.4 and the installation gets stopped midway (power outage, etc). There's even an installer that works on versions from 10.0.0 - 10.0.3.

Also, what's with all the dismissive comments about updates? A speed increase may or may not be real (although the fact that MacOSRumors says there is at least a minor one makes me think there might be), but in any case this update does a lot of good--look at the article for a list. And no, it doesn't include CDR Data or DVD support (I've been expecting 10.1 all along, but who knows, it might even take longer than that), but I'd rather have some fixes now rather than waiting for one that included everything.

And who said Apple missed DVD deadlines? I may have missed something, but even if the rumor sites keep telling us that it's right around the corner, the only word I remember hearing from Apple officially is "...may be included in a future update..." Hard to miss a deadline if you don't set one. It's important, Apple knows that, I'm sure we'll see it when it's finished.

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Airport

The update screwed around with my software base station under Airport. I couldn't get it to run at all under X, so I rebooted under 9 and found that it simply wasn't working. My ibook couldn't connect through the G4. I had to turn off Airport, restart it, and then it snapped back to life. Not sure what happened.

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10.0.4 blew up my box

Welp, still havent' figured out how to deinstall 10.0.4 or reinstall it, but the Software Update log saidd "Installation Error Occurred", and Finder began acting weird, so I reboot. Most carbon apps no longer launch now:

CFM failed to set the stack limit because requested limit is lower than current.
*** malloc[1158]: error: Can't allocate region
*** CFLog (20): /Applications/Utilities/StuffIt Expander.app/Contents/MacOS/StuffIt Expander[1158] Application Launch Failure: The application "StuffIt Expander" could not be launched because of a shared library error: "9"
Error preparing app StuffIt Expander,
Launch failed with error code -2809

This makes it a pain to manually re-download the 10.0.4 dmg.bin, because I can't decompress it. I tried installing macutils, and decompressing it into fork files with -3, but to no avail.

and ssh now says for wherever I go:

Disconnecting: Bad packet length -2044413356.

(yes, I tried nuking ~/.ssh)

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love it or stop whining

Alot of you need to stop whining. if it blew up your system it's one thing but, its a update, if you really don't like OS X so much go back to 9.1. Cause in reality we are all still just playing with a really advanced beta and theirfore you can't expect it to be perfect. i'm stuck at work so i can't try it out yet but i was jumping afound in my cubicle when i found out it came out. i personnally can't wait to get home and download the new update, cause i have been waiting for it forever also and if it's 12mb it must have plenty of oxs tweaks, and that's what you really should expect from the updates right now, fixing the smaller problems before you start adding features. i'd rather have everything in the OS fixed first before they start adding stuff cause it could cause more problems, you really need to look at it from the developer view. and also stop complaining cause there isn't this of that that you heard whas rumorored to be there isn't.

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Finder behavior

The finder is considerably faster. When entering a key stroke the finder scrolls to the first item with that letter. Entering more than one keystroke will scroll to the next item, for example typing a and p in succession scrolls from acrobat to apple. The finder now function more like it does in classic/9.1!!

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no speed up here

500Mhz PowerBook G3 FireWire 256MB.

same slow speed. slow to boot, slow to launch apps, slow resizing windows, internet explorer still dog slow.

whhaaaa!

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OpehSSH and sudo

On my Pismo I had OpenSSH 2.9p1 (per stepwise instructions) and sudo 1.6.3p7 (standard compile) installed. After the install I ended up with the identical version of both...

OpenSSH 2.9p2 is current (I've got it running on my Dual G4 and 8500/G3 machines under 10.0.3).

ssh connects properly to my work G4 but throws an error (Bad packet length) when talking to my mklinux box running OpenSSH 2.9p2. I installed OpenSSH 2.9p2 on my Pismo: error gone...

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Image previews...

...seem to be MUCH faster in the Finder. I remember seeing Jobs demoing the finder way back around DP4 and seeing this instantaneous image preview feature in the finder. Finally we've got it for ourselves!

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Slow

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No noticeable difference

Probably not worth downloading if you have a slow line. In fact it made the already unfinished Java even more unstable...

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Agree: stop whining..

How right you are.
[quote]"6-8% speed improvement. this update sucks" [unquote]
And more stuff like that.
Uhhbuuhh - my iSub doesn't work - oh no my soundsticks are silent - sobsob my classic won't start - sigh* - my box blew up.
What a load of ****!
My iSub works, my Sticks are alive and kicking, 8% more speed on top of 200 Mph is still another 16Mph, and my box is working.
Remember you guys: ask not what the System are doing for you - ask what you have done to your system :-)
Is it pure? Which extensions are you running in Classic? Have you bought cheap RAM? Did you check if your harddisk is in good health? Any self made fonts installed? Did you check the state of your motherboard recently? Are all your applications up to date? Are you secretly in love with mr. Gates? Did you read the manual or at least the read-me files? How much VRAM do you have installed? Is your video card old or new?
Dig deep in your machine and your own expertice and when you're quite certain you didn't create the mess your self - then you can choose to whine.
But save it at least for day 2 or 3 after the update has come out. Anything else is NOT professional.
And remember: you can always make a shift towards a better OS if you can find one....

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second button support in

I'M HAPPY!! I can now use my second button in Photoshop! Excellent, as that was one of the main drawbacks to OSX for me as a designer.

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iMac 333 will not update

I have 10.03 and tried to update. Nothing happens. I launch the Software Update app, click on Update Now, get the barber pole for about 5 secs. Then nothing happens. I hope the server is just busy. Anyone else having this problem?

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iSub does NOT work

To the stupid a****** from Denmark-
If you knew what the h*** you were talking about you would know that the Soundsticks do work in OS X but the standalone iSub does not. Get your c*** together before you criticize others.

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re: second button suppor

OMG!! tell me its true second button/sroll wheel support on classics apps. ::faints:: i can now die a happy man

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I can't wait...

...for X to finally, finally, finally get up to speed. It's going to be great.

[how's that for a non-whine?]

:)

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Nice update

Well, 10.0.4 is a good update. I ***HAVE*** noticed a speed increase, in several areas. Menus are snappier, Genie is smoother, window resizing is better (Icon and Column view nearly equal, and both very nearly perfect, with List view still lagging behind), image previews in the Finder are pretty much instant. The people saying it's just a placebo are, I think, just 9.x diehards who will say anything to make X look bad. Apple may not have mentioned it, but 10.0.4 IS FASTER, PERIOD. And it's no placebo. It's still not perfect, no, but better. Don't know how anybody can say it's too slow for day to day use, as I use it on all my Macs every day and it doesn't bother me. Oh, and the Finder now correctly scrolls to the item whose letter you typed, except in List view for some reason. Never use it anymore though. :)

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Speed increase

I think this is the first time I noticed a speed increase out of all the previous updates.
Not so bad after all.

Julz

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10.0.4 and firewire

Hello -
I installed the 10.0.4 update today through the software update program. Everything installed without difficulty.
Subsequently, I am now not able to connect my peripherals through firewire. I have a Canon Elura and a Que! CDRW.
Both worked without problems under 10.0.3. Now iMovie does not recognize the camcorder and any CD placed in the CDRW is not mounted. Apple System Profiler does show the CDRW drive but not the Canon. I haven't installed/done anything else and I know everything worked as I used both just yesterday. I haven't tried deleting the update - and am not quite sure how to go about doing that.

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speed on Homer's G4

noticeable increase on column view, G4 400. No placebo - I was expecting the same ol' slide but it popped right along and image previews are MUCH faster - try out a 2MB PDF in 10.0.3 vs. 10.0.4 and you'll see that if this is a Placebo effect, that it's a lot better than a mouth full of bees ;)

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Firewire

Something's up then - my Firewire's working fine all around - Camera + HD.

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Yes!

One step closer to an update which makes OSX something other than unusably glacial! Go!

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General Comments

As a statistican, I cannot say that the new update make things significantly faster, although I can now launch Photoshop in record speed. All in all, it installed cleanly on my G4/466, new iBook, and an older iMac 400 DV/SE. I'm glad to see the updates coming at a consistent pace

That being said, switching to my programmers hat, I really do tire of the constant whining I see on these forums. Given, some of the complaints are valid (iSub, DVD, etc) and I'm sure that these issues will be taken care of shortly. However, the endless complaining about slowness of the finder really doesn't accomplish anything. Sure the re-sizing of finder windows isn't as fast as it will be when the finder is re-written in Cocoa (lets not start another discussion of that debate), but how often are you really doing these operations? Bottom line, if you want things to get better, learn how to program and contribute to the Darwin project. This is a community thing.

rodney dyer, PhD

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from Apple's TIL

About the 10.0.4 Update
This update delivers enhancements included with the 10.0.1 and 10.0.3 Updates, as well as the following:
USB-Related Enhancements
PrintCenter compatibility with certain third-party USB inkjet printers has been improved.
Improves compatibility with many third-party USB devices including: "KVM" switchboxes, certain self-powered USB hubs, certain handheld devices that connect to a USB port, certain ADB-to-USB adapter devices, and third-party USB mouse and keyboard input devices.
Improves iTunes audio CD burning performance by offering only the most reliable burn speed choice(s).
Resolves a rare issue in which a USB device may not respond after the computer wakes from sleep.
Enriches the reliability of USB input devices that connect to a display's USB port.
USB modem reliability is improved.
Addresses issues that may have led to a USB mouse or keyboard input device becoming unresponsive unless it was disconnected and reconnected.
Resolves an isolated issue in which a Roland/Edirol UA-3 audio device may have not properly enumerated on the USB bus.
Addresses a potential kernel panic that may have occurred when disconnecting or hot swapping certain third-party USB devices.
Brings iTunes compatibility to additional third-party USB CD-RW drives, including: Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-R1101 Combo Drive, Que Plextor PX-W1610A, MKE CD-RW CW8571B, Que Lite-On LTR-12101B, Iomega ZipCD 650, and Iomega Predator ZipCD 650.
Resolves an issue in which simultaneous use of two Shift keys while typing with a USB keyboard may have unexpectedly resulted in lowercase characters.
Classic-Related Enhancements
Enhances reliability when remotely accessing a shared FileMaker Pro 5.0 document through TCP/IP in the Classic environment.
Addresses a rare issue in which no response was received when pinging a remote host in the Classic environment.
Enhances the reliability of the Classic environment after the computer wakes from sleep.
Addresses an isolated issue in which a key press may have repeated unexpectedly in a Classic application.
Addresses a potential issue in the Classic environment in which the mouse pointer cursor may have become temporarily transparent.
Enriches reliability of certain Classic mail applications when used with certain types of mail servers.
Addresses a potential issue in the Classic environment with products that provide firewall services.
General improvements allow third-party hardware device drivers to perform better in the Classic environment; future OS X hardware device drivers can be developed to co-exist with Classic device drivers for the same USB device.
Internet- and Networking-Related Enhancements
Addresses certain issues that may have occurred when copying files using Apple File Protocol (AFP), including: potential kernel panic when copying files, reliability on a VPN connection, and copying a file that h

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i agree doc.

tooooo much whining. i wish those whining had a clue as to how hard this stuff really is.

perhaps when they leave high school...

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Return your iSub!

I live near a newly opened apple store - I am nearly ready to take my iSub back to apple and demand a refund. I encourage others to do the same. Should apple refuse, I will simply leave it on the floor of the store...

It is collecting dust on my floor at home...

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It is faster

Not by much, but it is faster. Everything seems just a bit more zippy. I can't say I can complain. I have had an improvement with this update from the "feeling" point of view, but I think I would have been better served with Data burning instead.

You know, the general impression I get is that Mac users in general are whiners. Grow up already people.

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Flashing question mark ?!

I just updated to 10.0.4 on my Ti PB 400. The download, install, and optimization all appeared to go smoothly. Upon restart I am now getting a flashing question mark. I have tried to boot of several CD's (OS9.1 that came with OS X, Latest Norton Utils) They all give unimplemented trap errors - even with extensions off. The only cd that I can get to boot properly is the 9.1 that came with the PB. Thoughts? Anyone else experience this?

thx

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Two shift keys ?!

"Resolves an issue in which simultaneous use of two Shift keys while typing with a USB keyboard may have unexpectedly resulted in lowercase characters."

Heh, who uses two shift keys at once? Please take on the _real_ problems, Apple.

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Download from website

Go to "http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n106360".
Pick the appropriate link under the "Related Software Downloads" heading (just 10.0.4 or the "combo" update).

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Sleep finally works!

I never could seem to get sleep mode to "take" on my yikes G4 system in any of the previous builds. It finally works with 10.0.4.

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Better Info on 10.0.4

For better info on 10.0.4 go to http://til.info.apple.com and search for article # 106360. Halfway down the page in this article you'll get info on what's new and updated.

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Explorer snpinner

I can confirm an earlier post, when running Explorer in "text only" mode, the spinner is doing a funny thing. Makes me think... what a nightmare to keep software up to par with X's updates when something as simple as the IE spinner fails...
I too am bummed that my Que! USB CDRW still isn't supported, but at least my Predator finally is! Oddly though, it doesn't recognize it as a predator, still calls it a generic Zip 650. Anyone else? Other good news, the computer recognizes that I have speakers plugged in upon reboot again! No more crawling behind the desk to unplug & plug them in every time as my girlfriend scoffs at me...

I was really hoping that Image Capture would work with my Sony DSC-S50 again... no luck :( But at least another update is finally along!

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iSub?

What the heck is an Isub?

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Upgrade from Seed 10.0.4

Edit the file:
/System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist

This one indicates the version of the system, I believe this is the one that allowed me to install :-

Enjoy!

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Like it or Lump it

You've been kidding yourself if you though 10.0.4 would solve all your OSX complaints. It's just a security fix among other minor stuff. Don't expect anything truly significant until 10.1, and that's going to be a while. If you feel like whining about it, either switch your startup disk to 9.1 or get drunk!!!!

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iSub

iSub is the Harmon Kardon subwoofer that is styled to complement the latest Macs (transparent/translucent).

I'll tell all the whiners what they should have done. Make a simple checklist of items that you absolutely need to have supported by OS X. When Apple adds the functionality, check off the box. When all the boxes are checked, upgrade to OS X. Don't be an earlier adopter and then complain about missed dates. Apple doesn't have a stellar record of hitting their milestones (of course they're anything but alone in this business, like Win XP). Believe it when you see it. Just stop your complaining and keep booting in 9.1.

One more thing, before you leave a perfectly good iSub on the store floor, give it to someone who could put it to use.

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it's snappier

no placebo effect and i had restart recently before the install.

menus pop up faster....

can't wait for 10.1

no problems in upgrade.

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keyboard, mouse dont work

Hi,

Just installed 10.0.4 on my Dual 533 G4 256 megs of ram. After rebooting I could not use the keyboard and mouse, which makes it difficult to log in. I have a 15'' Apple LCD and tried the monitor's and the computer's USB ports, but switching did not fix the problem. They still work in 9.1, obviously I guess. I'm using standard Apple keyboard and mouse.

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Disappearing mouse

Fixed that damn vanishing mouse bug in classic... Was worth it for that alone (even though i figured out an annoying workaround :)

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Mucho freakin' better!!!

Finally!!! I can use Outlook Express in Classic!! Not only does it run in Classic, it actually runs FASTER than if I boot into 9.x. Now we're getting somewhere!!!!!!

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ppp

I am unable to download the 10.0.4 update throught the Software Update Control Palel because my dual processor G4 will not stay connected with PPP. I get an error message 264 in the middle of the download. Then a Software Update Control panel dialog box tells me that my download was interrupted, but can be resumed where it left off. I have tried this method 10 times. I even restarted OSX and tried ten more times. It keeps disconnecting and showing an error 264.
The only solution I see is to release 10.0.4 as a disk image to be downloaded in OS 9.1 for those of us unfortunate enough to have a DP Mac with a 56k connection.
OSX was supposed to be great with multiple processors. I have yet to see evidence of this.

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Trash problem

The Trash problem that was mentioned earlier existed in 10.0.3 as well. If you have the dock minimised and try to drag a document to the trash, the Dock does not "pop-up" from the bottom of the screen - This only seems to happen occasionaly??

Overall I am happy with the New release:

Come On People - you know Steve leaves his BIG surprises to Macworld! ie you will see Ver 10.1!!!!!

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i must be all alone

I have installed every update on my G4/450 AGP without any trouble.

Every time, it works fine.

maybe because i'm not f-ing up my system by s******* with the stripes, or the system icons or anything.. but instead, i'm just working on it.

Classic works so solidly, that other than my need to scan - i never bother with 9 anymore... not even when i need to photoshop.

I think you would all be amazed what would happen if you ran clean systems without foo on them that you "need" - and ran the system the way Apple gave it to you instead of being so obstinant.

and if Apple sucks - please.. PLEASE - go buy yourself a PC and install..err.... RENT Windows XP and shut the h*** up.

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Boy do people whine alot

I just upgraded a 10.0.0 (4K78) iMac DV to 10.0.4. What a difference! It's loads faster!

Give the Apple guys some slack. When they ship OS X as the Default install on new machines, that's when they think they have it fast enough for the average user. Remember that OS X is supposed to last for 10-15 years. If they started with something that ran fast on existing hardware then they would not have been pushing the envelope enough in the fundamentals.

Make it work (this update: Hardware drivers/Classic improvements etc)

Then make it fast (steady optimization of code by Apple and 3rd parties over time)

We are still at the stage of making it work! Give it a chance.

Cheers,

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10.0.4 makes CDs skip

This drives me nuts. 10.0.4 makes my CDs skip. It has also slowed down OmniWeb. What are they, crazy? How dare they? Just because my computer is in the process of updating my system software does that mean I can't listen to CDs and browse the web? I mean, I can understand that the computer may be working hard trying to download, update, and optimize my system, but think about my tunes! My CD has skipped no less than three times since I started this crazy software update thing. Up yours Steve! Actually, I'm thrilled that I can surf the web, listen to CDs, and post comments all while my system software is updating. I love OSX.

Cheers!
MacmanX

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10.0.4 on Pismo

Fantastic!!! My Brightness and Volume keys finally work without any fiddling about in System Preferences!!! Horray!!!

Haven't really noticed any major speed improvements over 10.0.3 though... Maybe 4 or 5%.

Classic has always worked fine for me including Office 2001, Outlook Express and whatever else people seem to have trouble with... Classic works great!

Two things left keeping me booting into 9.1... DVD and Virtual PC... When those are done, I'm a complete Mac OS X convert and loving it!!!

Goggles

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OS X and OS 9.1

I'm not whinning. Really. But it amazes me how much BETTER 9.1 is compared to X. I realize the migration is a radical one and that patience is needed. Still, I can't help but wonder how satisfied I'll be after I get tired of the magic genie (ok I'm already tired) and the glowing blue buttons? And why do we need such fine detail in an icon?

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ssh Problem Workaround

For those who've seen "Disconnecting: Bad packet length..." errors when using ssh in 10.0.4, try 'ssh -1' to use SSH1 protocol, which doesn't appear broken.

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yes!!

Installed on 366 ibook. BIG improvement!

Good stuff-
Finder windows are much snappier, scrolling in IE much quicker, right mouse button finally works in classic!

Bad stuff-
Still limited contextual menus, Quicktime still blows.

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I dated an Apple girl

She was really hot. I mean, on fire. Legs, body, no fuzzies on her lower back, niiiiice implants.
Thing was, she had this really hard bulge on her throat when I kissed her neck. Come to think of it, she would only let me do anal with her. She'd never on her back when naked. Some girls are into that.
Her hands were strong and firm, a little large for a woman's, but nice nonetheless.
She also took these hormone pills. I'm not sure what was up with all that, but I know that I love her and miss her.

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third party problem

Well, I'd like to download the update. But my farallon wireless skyline card and pci adapter only works in os 9 for my g3. So, I'll have to download the os update from Apple's site running os 9 and then reboot into os X. I just love 3rd parties and I bet Apple is not helping either. Stuck on 9 blues. Hufff....

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disk space

I tried to install 10.0.4 two times but each time I get an error message telling me I need 300 Mb of free space on my start-up disk.
Here's my question: How can I give more space to one of my two partitions? Is it dangerous or difficult to do that.
When I first installed OSX, an Apple dealer told me to partition in two and give 2 Gigs to OSX. Now, I'm up to 1,8 Gig used.
Can anyone help?

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ssh workaround

I tried the ssh -1 workaround and I too can now make a connection. Thanksf or the tip.

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FileSharing Bugs solved!

Thats Great!!

FileSharing works after sleep and active classic!
No more endless "starting filesharing" ?!?

And they removed a kernel panic in cunjunction with afs - the only one I got (once) since I installed 10.0.0 - and my iMac is running 24/7 !

BTW: need for speed? Minimize every unused Window! this will free quartz buffering memory - less swapping... (OK, tons of RAM helps also :-)

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Spinner

My IE Spinner is broken, too.

I also had an installation error at the end of the optimization process, but everything seems to work fine, anyway.

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Speed is not a placebo!

OS X in general is faster now. Some places are more noticeable than others, however.

Menus
Slightly faster than 10.0.3. Compared to 10.0.0, menu speed is hugely improved. It's slowly approaching OS 9 speed, but not quite there yet.

Window Scrolling
Slightly faster, but definitely not zippy. The speed increase is still noticeable though.

Window Resizing
No speed increase. Darn!

Application Launching
Barely noticeable speed improvement, but is still there if you really try to find it.

Classic
SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT! The biggest improvement is the much faster Classic startup speed. Also, Classic doesn't s**** up the rest of the system as bad as before. Classic applications usually drag down the rest of the OS X applications, and vice versa. This has been alleviated somewhat in the update. Since the Classic applications themselves weren't sped up a bit, this must mean that only the multitasking between OS X and Classic was improved.

System Startup
HUMONGOUS IMPROVEMENT! On my iMac 333, system startup time has gone down from about 8 minutes down to 5. That rocks! Unfortunately, 5 minutes, no matter how you look at it, is still a long time.

Now folks, remember that this is only a version increase of 0.0.1. This upgrade is definitely worth the time downloading, even on a 56K modem, just for the speed increases. It is not a placebo!

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Speed is not a placebo!

Oh yeah, I forgot to give my own personal opinion!

Honestly saying, I couldn't stand the absolute slowness of OS X 10.0.0. Up to 10.0.3, the slow speed of OS X turned me off to using it, making me scramble back for the responsiveness of OS 9. The 10.0.4 update actually improves enough on the speed to make using OS X tolerable.

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idisk

I'm not sure when this happened, but my connection to idisk was superb. Almost instantaneous. Very nice. I think this is new to 10.0.4

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10.0.4

rocks. thanks apple.

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I agree...X is faster.

I didn't notice it right off the bat but after using 10.0.4 for a bit I suddenly noticed I didn't feel like I was running under water ...ahhh, eeehhmm...Aqua.

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3 out 5 aint bad

not bad at all, flash redraw is still c*** on my DP500, but thats got to be macromedias fault since freehand8 works like a champ. no more kernel panics on startup if my logitech trackman is plugged in, finder is much zippier and multi-button support in classic. nice!

all i can say is, apple is doing a mighty fine job, if you don't believe me, why not go try out some other 1.0 releases of an OS (windows 1.0, windowsNT 1.0, Linux 1.0, BeOS 1.0) h*** microsoft is just now getting windows to the point of being a usable OS 10 years after they started...and NT1-3 was as big a joke as windows 1-3...OSX has to be by far the best ever 1.0 OS release...it has amazing support for software that is 10, 15 years old looks and works way better than anything m$oft has ever released and had better system reqs than m$ofts latest and greatest... does anyone really think than winXP will run better on a 3 year old PC than OSX will run on a 3 year old iMac...please.

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Too funny...

.. what with some folks constantly seeing 20% speed improvements with each update... means that for some folks, they'll have a 100% increase with the next update. Is like having a whole new computer.... or maybe the placebo is somewhere in these updates....

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Re: Too funny

Get off it already! There have been speed increases with the last couple of updates. It is possible that you won't see as much of a speed increase if you're using the latest dual-processor machine as opposed to older hardware. I'm a Mac tech who works on these machines all day long, I don't use drugs, I understand the "placebo effect" and I can tell you without hesitation that the speed issue is getting better.

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Speed increase...CONFIRME

B/W G3, 400MHz, 320Mo RAM.

Time in sec. OS 10.0.3/10.0.4
Boot time : 125s/118s
Launch Time:
System Preferences : 4s / 3s
I.E 5.1 : 9s / 7s
Graphic Converter : 4s / 4s
QuickTime 5 : 5s / 4s
Classic (ext.disabled) : 25s / 20s
Classic (ext.enabled) : 47s / 42s

Quick Time Movie Player:
"Phantom menace" trailer, double size : no dropped frames
"Pantom menace" + "1984.mov" : few dropped frames
( beween 20 and 24 fps under 10.0.3 and under 10.0.4 )

Finder seems a bit snappier ( hard to mesure ), but window resizing ( list view ) still sucks.

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Speed increase...CONFIRME

B/W G3, 400MHz, 320Mo RAM.

Time in sec. OS 10.0.3/10.0.4
Boot time : 125s/118s
Launch Time:
System Preferences : 4s / 3s
I.E 5.1 : 9s / 7s
Graphic Converter : 4s / 4s
QuickTime 5 : 5s / 4s
Classic (ext.disabled) : 25s / 20s
Classic (ext.enabled) : 47s / 42s

Quick Time Movie Player:
"Phantom menace" trailer, double size : no dropped frames
"Pantom menace" + "1984.mov" : few dropped frames
( beween 20 and 24 fps under 10.0.3 and under 10.0.4 )

Finder seems a bit snappier ( hard to mesure ), but window resizing ( list view ) still sucks.

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Speed increase:CONFIRMED!

B/W G3, 400MHz, 320Mo RAM.

Time in sec. OS 10.0.3/10.0.4
Boot time : 125s/118s
Launch Time:
System Preferences : 4s / 3s
I.E 5.1 : 9s / 7s
Graphic Converter : 4s / 4s
QuickTime 5 : 5s / 4s
Classic (ext.disabled) : 25s / 20s
Classic (ext.enabled) : 47s / 42s

Quick Time Movie Player:
"Phantom menace" trailer, double size : no dropped frames
"Pantom menace" + "1984.mov" : few dropped frames
( beween 20 and 24 fps under 10.0.3 and under 10.0.4 )

Finder seems a bit snappier ( hard to mesure ), but window resizing ( list view ) still sucks.

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Volume Control

The mute button on the keyboard is still not working. Everytime I hit the volume decrease button, the sound will blast at the max volume until I keep hitting the volume decrease button.

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Early Adopters

What the h*** is that supposed to mean? They charge us �100 for OS X. Hello! Where else do beta testers have to pay to test a product? Some of us paid for the OS X Beta too so we're sitting at around �150 investment!!

If this were a Microsoft OS, people would be up in arms by now. Apple has far less third-party hardware to worry about than Wintel and they still can't get it working. Where was Win 98 at SR4? At this rate XP will be working before OS X.

I'll tell you one thing, Apple is a lot more driven by its bottom line than most of you think. They're praying on our dedication to the brand to save development costs and make the bottom line look good. Customers come a long way after shareholders on the priority list in Cupertino.

Apple can't wait until Macworld to get this right. The people who were interested in converting to Mac and the press have already looked at OS X and were told not to adopt. The hype has died down and a little Mac geek conference is going to wake them up. Apple is in big trouble if they don't get this OS working faster and supporting every little peripheral that ever smelled a Mac in the next few weeks. They should hire an army of cheap developers (India springs to mind) to get this sorted. Issue a profit warning, spend money, get it right once and for all!

My pretty little blue and white box will be mailed back to Apple with a summons for a latent defect claim before Macworld starts.

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Apple can't wait until Macworld to get this right.

It's only four weeks away.

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"MacNN.com Reader�47177 Early Adopters 6/22/01, 4:53 am EDT
What the h*** is that supposed to mean? They charge us �100 for OS X. Hello! Where else do beta testers have to pay to test a product? Some of us paid for the OS X Beta too so we're sitting at around �150 investment!!
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Beta? What are you talking about? I use it on 4 different macchines, all work great. As for no one else selling beta software (which OS X is NOT), just try MS, they DO charge $ for betas of the OS (remember the beta of Win2k?)

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Bottom Line

Honestly, I can't believe there is this much whining going on. OS X is the result of a lot of blood, sweat, and tears. It is a 1.0 version of an OS. In case you don't remember, you do have a fully functional, and quite usable, OS 9.1 floating out there to use if all the features you crave aren't in OS X yet. OS X is for early adopters and needed to be released to enable developers to get moving on apps. I am thankful that Apple is willing to keep releasing the 10.0.x burps since they do seem to fix minor issues and bump up speed slightly each time. Honestly, if you don't like it, don't use it. In time it will be a pretty darn good OS. If you don't have the patience to wait, quit whining to us and use OS 9.

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Re: Bottom Line

I couldn't have said it better myself. If you're that het up about it, learn to code and tweak it yourself rather than whining about how Apple has dropped the ball. Or reformat and stay with 9.1.

Apple has done a splendid job with giving us updates and keeping us informed. And as for the nonsense about M$, you evidently don't read any of the headlines which tell about how glitchy and unreliable their products are after YEARS post-purchase.

If you've ever used any of the LINUX products, you will see the beauty of OS X and be grateful that Apple cares enough to release these updates so darned quickly.

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Speed problems

If you are really worried about speed, check out my FAQ:

http://www.index-site.com/Macosxspeed.html

I'll be adding the link to the 10.0.4 update later this evening on there, but really, it isn't slow. You just need to configure X with one of the options on my FAQ. Some may find some steps improve speed more than others. My Powerbook G3/233 with 512k backside actually runs X faster than 9.1 on many instances. X isn't slow, it just needs a little optimization, and it really works. If you can keep your computer on at all times, that lets the system cache build and make the machine run more efficiently. Otherwise I suggest getting Macjanitor to clean up the cache parts that never get refreshed during the middle of the night.

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Classic doesn't work!

Why doesn't Classic no longer work since I updated? It starts the app, but the Progress Bar doesn't move and the screen stays white...

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Dual500 with 10.0.4

Is anyone still having PPP Connect errors on a dualg4/500? I would have thought apple would have fixed this annoying problem by now...anybody?

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iSub

If anyone is interested in getting rid of an iSub, email me @ mailseth@excite.com. I am sure that i can find a good use for it ;-).

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ssh problems, workaround

The OpenSSH 2.5.2p1 included in this update is incompatible with version OpenSSH 2.5.2p2. This is not apple's fault, think they should have anticipated this and give us the possibility to install p2, because now I can't connect to my linux and solaris web servers any longer using tools like rbrowser. A partial workaround exists if you're using the command-line : adding the -1 flag, one forces the ssh 1 protocol which works between 2.5.2p1 and 2.5.2p2 hosts.
Someone suggested that forcing ssh to use the 3DES cypher could help. Up to now, I have not found how to get this to work.
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Looks good

I have experienced some of the USB problems that this update is supposed to fix.

Applespeak is pretty amusing -- the notes for 10.0.4 talks about lots of "rare issues" and "certain" devices.

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Blood & sweat

"MacNN.com Reader�47186 Bottom Line 6/22/01, 7:24 am EDT
Honestly, I can't believe there is this much whining going on. OS X is the result of a lot of blood, sweat, and tears. It is a 1.0 version of an OS."

1) Whining?

2) Yes, Apple has worked long and hard on this thing. That does not me we MUST feel good about it, and only good.

3) 1.0? NFW. It's Beta 2 0.4.

So far, OS X sucks. Big and bloated. Do you remember MS's orginal claim of Win95 running on 386 with 4 Mb of RAM...? Lol...

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What was that???

I almost fell out of my chair.

Anyway, the upgrade went well on my Ol' beige G3 I use at work. When I get home today I will try it on my CUBE. The thing that concerns me are some of the reports that people loose the use of the keyboard and mouse if they are plugged into a HUB. Has anyone here experienced that problem?

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Better info, though

At least Apple's made the readme more informative:

About the 10.0.4 Update

This update delivers enhancements included with the 10.0.1 and 10.0.3 Updates, as well as the following:

USB-Related Enhancements

PrintCenter compatibility with certain third-party USB inkjet printers has been improved.
Improves compatibility with many third-party USB devices including: "KVM" switchboxes, certain self-powered USB hubs, certain handheld devices that connect to a USB port, certain ADB-to-USB adapter devices, and third-party USB mouse and keyboard input devices.
Improves iTunes audio CD burning performance by offering only the most reliable burn speed choice(s).
Resolves a rare issue in which a USB device may not respond after the computer wakes from sleep.
Enriches the reliability of USB input devices that connect to a display's USB port.
USB modem reliability is improved.
Addresses issues that may have led to a USB mouse or keyboard input device becoming unresponsive unless it was disconnected and reconnected.
Resolves an isolated issue in which a Roland/Edirol UA-3 audio device may have not properly enumerated on the USB bus.
Addresses a potential kernel panic that may have occurred when disconnecting or hot swapping certain third-party USB devices.
Brings iTunes compatibility to additional third-party USB CD-RW drives, including: Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-R1101 Combo Drive, Que Plextor PX-W1610A, MKE CD-RW CW8571B, Que Lite-On LTR-12101B, Iomega ZipCD 650, and Iomega Predator ZipCD 650.
Resolves an issue in which simultaneous use of two Shift keys while typing with a USB keyboard may have unexpectedly resulted in lowercase characters.

Classic-Related Enhancements

Enhances reliability when remotely accessing a shared FileMaker Pro 5.0 document through TCP/IP in the Classic environment.
Addresses a rare issue in which no response was received when pinging a remote host in the Classic environment.
Enhances the reliability of the Classic environment after the computer wakes from sleep.
Addresses an isolated issue in which a key press may have repeated unexpectedly in a Classic application.
Addresses a potential issue in the Classic environment in which the mouse pointer cursor may have become temporarily transparent.
Enriches reliability of certain Classic mail applications when used with certain types of mail servers.
Addresses a potential issue in the Classic environment with products that provide firewall services.
General improvements allow third-party hardware device drivers to perform better in the Classic environment; future OS X hardware device drivers can be developed to co-exist with Classic device drivers for the same USB device.

Internet- and Networking-Related Enhancements

Addresses certain issues that may have occurred when copying files using Apple File Protocol

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Better info, though

At least Apple's made the readme more informative:

About the 10.0.4 Update

This update delivers enhancements included with the 10.0.1 and 10.0.3 Updates, as well as the following:

USB-Related Enhancements

PrintCenter compatibility with certain third-party USB inkjet printers has been improved.
Improves compatibility with many third-party USB devices including: "KVM" switchboxes, certain self-powered USB hubs, certain handheld devices that connect to a USB port, certain ADB-to-USB adapter devices, and third-party USB mouse and keyboard input devices.
Improves iTunes audio CD burning performance by offering only the most reliable burn speed choice(s).
Resolves a rare issue in which a USB device may not respond after the computer wakes from sleep.
Enriches the reliability of USB input devices that connect to a display's USB port.
USB modem reliability is improved.
Addresses issues that may have led to a USB mouse or keyboard input device becoming unresponsive unless it was disconnected and reconnected.
Resolves an isolated issue in which a Roland/Edirol UA-3 audio device may have not properly enumerated on the USB bus.
Addresses a potential kernel panic that may have occurred when disconnecting or hot swapping certain third-party USB devices.
Brings iTunes compatibility to additional third-party USB CD-RW drives, including: Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-R1101 Combo Drive, Que Plextor PX-W1610A, MKE CD-RW CW8571B, Que Lite-On LTR-12101B, Iomega ZipCD 650, and Iomega Predator ZipCD 650.
Resolves an issue in which simultaneous use of two Shift keys while typing with a USB keyboard may have unexpectedly resulted in lowercase characters.

Classic-Related Enhancements

Enhances reliability when remotely accessing a shared FileMaker Pro 5.0 document through TCP/IP in the Classic environment.
Addresses a rare issue in which no response was received when pinging a remote host in the Classic environment.
Enhances the reliability of the Classic environment after the computer wakes from sleep.
Addresses an isolated issue in which a key press may have repeated unexpectedly in a Classic application.
Addresses a potential issue in the Classic environment in which the mouse pointer cursor may have become temporarily transparent.
Enriches reliability of certain Classic mail applications when used with certain types of mail servers.
Addresses a potential issue in the Classic environment with products that provide firewall services.
General improvements allow third-party hardware device drivers to perform better in the Classic environment; future OS X hardware device drivers can be developed to co-exist with Classic device drivers for the same USB device.

Internet- and Networking-Related Enhancements

Addresses certain issues that may have occurred when copying files using Apple File Protocol

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DVD

What do you need this DVD support for????

I hope your not slamming Apple just because you can not watch a movie on your computer when booted up in X? Seems to me that we all got OS 9.X for free with our DVD computer/players, and that functions right?

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Minimizing Windows....

Just Installed the update, and noticed that when I minimize a window now alot of the animation has been removed. It's hard to explain but it's faster now. Apple seems to be removing abit of the glitz from OS X.
Still Happy with OS X as a whole and Apple's efforts thus far. :)

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Minimizing Windows....

Just Installed the update, and noticed that when I minimize a window now alot of the animation has been removed. It's hard to explain but it's faster now. Apple seems to be removing abit of the glitz from OS X.
Still Happy with OS X as a whole and Apple's efforts thus far. :)

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Oh my God, Finally....

Resolves an issue in which simultaneous use of two Shift keys while typing with a USB keyboard may have unexpectedly resulted in lowercase characters.

This has been an issue since the *VERY* first USB iMac and the Classic MacOS... and they finally got around to fixing it... I am so f****** happy... I have a bad habit of switching "shift" keys when I am typing so that with that bug it comes out as

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f****** forum...

...when I am typing "" so that with that bug it comes out as "

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Foirget it...

Stupid f****** wack forum, cant even type bracketBRbracket....

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Re: iSub

I donno if the iSub works alone, but it works with the soundsticks since 10.0.0

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Classic apps disappear fr

After updating to 10.0.4, running classic apps no longer appear in the dock. Is this happening to everyone, or is this just a freak thing???

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Invisible cursor

fixed that damn vanishing mouse bug in classic...
Was worth it for that alone (even though i figured out an annoying workaround :)

I totally agree that fix alone would have been worth the wait, but unfortunately I just had my cursor disappear even after the update. What was your "annoying workaround"? None of the workarounds consistantly work for me, but the cursor usually comes back around the time I decide to try and restart.

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Upgrading from 4Q12

I had installed the 4Q4 "bootleg" update and deleting the receipt in /Library/Receipts still didn't allow Software Update to install 4Q12.

I went to VersionTracker and downloaded the 10.0.4 combined updater, about 19MB and that DID work!

10.0.4, 4Q12 now seems like a usable system - Finder is improved, redraws seem faster - and I got Classic to boot in just 35 seconds using a stripped extension set selected by CC 8.0.8- one boot was

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no external sound on dual

After upgrading to 10.0.4 on my Original Dual 500, I cannot get any sound out to my external speakers. What's worse is that iTunes doesn't even attempt to play the songs (even without sound you should be able to see the progress bar move and the sound levels change---I get nothing). For anyone with an original dual processor this upgrade is NOT for you.

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Improvements

I have a 400MHz iMac DV with 384 MB. I noticed a slight improvement in application launch times (at least on relaunch) and finder windows will resize in realtime now. I no longer have to drag the mouse to a point, then wait for the window to catch up.
This may be because the system is using more RAM than before. Using the 'top' command, in the terminal, reports that 199MB are being used. This is up from about 150MB previously. Still zero pageouts though. Perhaps the system is retaining cached data longer?
No crashes to report. While I have never really complained about the speed of X, this update shows some tangible improvement, whereas previous updates were less noticable. I know some people have had different results, that's just the way it has been for me.

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Wallstreet

My 266MHz 320MB PowerBook G3 took it in just fine. Window resize didn't improve but widows fly in and out of the dock much faster.
Volume control and mute button still don't work. Apps seem to open a little faster. Column view is a little snappier.

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IE Spinner/Throbber

My IE spinner/throbber was affected after the update too.

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IE throbber

Mine was messed up too

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IE Throbber problem?

In the TIL entry about the update it says that it has enhanced reliability when viewing certain types of PICT files. The IE throbber is also a PICT file, maybe this has somthing to do with it?

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Hmm

I upgraded sudo on my own and was about to upgrade OpenSSH on my own. Blah.

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rumors

Bring me the head of that moron who runs mosr.com

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Why bother

I checked out a "fast" Mac G4 with OSX yesterday. It was annoyingly, irritatingly slow, much slower than my old Mac with 8.6. It's a shame for Mac lovers, but Apple is trying to play catch-up to Microsoft in the OS biz, and not doing very well at it. My 500 MHz PC with Windows 2000 outperforms a 500 MHz G4 with OSX. And Win2000 is more polished and there's a ton more software. And compared to the sorry reliability of 8.6, Win2000 almost NEVER crashes. Sad but true.

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OS X = new new new

to "Why bother," I say...you are totally right about the speed issue. Mac OS X IS trying to play catch up. and doing a rather nice job of it, IMHO. stability is progressing nicely. six-nine months from now, when we have greater peripheral support, more major apps, serious professional I/O and a truly optimized system, Win2000 will seem like...Win1984. not to mention one will have to hold back their vomit just to look at it.

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10.0.4 broke Sherlock

After installing 10.0.4, my Sherlock no longer works properly...
I get an "unexpected error" when I launch it. It gives me an "OK" box and tells me if problems persist to quit and relaunch. Pressing the OK button just results in the error box reappearing, ad infinitum.
Is it possible to reinstall Sherlock?

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Speed is relative

When it comes to speed I find OS X is fast enough for me. Some users however will not be satisfied until the OS works faster than they can think different. ;-)

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Re: 10.0.4 broke Sherlock

That's been happening to me since 10.0. So far, I have not seen it with 10.0.4, and was hoping it had gone away.

Apparently not.

You have been lucky thus far...

Still, OS X is by far, superior to that dogpile Windows (any version)

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Why Bother (posting here)

Windows users are clowns. Windows 2000 is the biggest joke on the planet.

Twice as secure as an open door.

Twice as buggy as a roach motel.

Windows 2000: The choice of dung-eaters everywhere.

Tries desperately to be as useable as MacOS but fails miserably.

Tries to be as robust as UNIX but fails miserably.

Only OS X succeeds at both, because OS X IS both.

Good bye loser.

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10.0.4 Freezes PCI radeon

I've been using 10.0.0 thru 10.0.3 with a PCI Radeon driving a second LCD panel with no problems since March 24. (An nVidea card drives the primary LCD.) On installing 10.0.4, the G4+ 733 starts OK, allows me to log in and then as soon as the desktop appears on both the primary and secondary screen, the machine freezes. By freeze, I mean the cursor and keyboard stop working, and there is no way to get back control other than pressing the reset button. This happens EVERY time I boot in OS X. There is no problem in OS 9.1. Removing the PCI Radeon immediately solves the problem in OS X.
Looks like a bug to me! Only Apple seems likely to solve this one and I have reported it to them. ATi offers no support for OSX other than to say that drivers are Apple's responsibility.
No other serious problems with 10.0.4 on a 733. Windows are snappy and screen resizing almost follows the mouse cursor. I think Classic is more stable with fewer app crashes (especially Word 98).
Looking forward to Puma and a few more useful native apps.

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Darwin

Darwin has been updated from 1.3.3 to 1.3.7. As if anyone will read this though. Hehe.

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Win 2000 Bashers...

Win 2000 Bashers...you don't know what you're talking about. I administer a cross platform network, and the W2K servers and clients blow away Mac for power, stability and configurability. Oh well, the truth hurts sometimes, huh? I hope OSX catches up soon.

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iSUB

This works already since the outcome of OS X

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Dual USB iBook 'coma'

Has anyone confirmed whether or not you can sleep a new Dual USB iBook while running Classic mode without the dreaded 'coma' effect found in 10.0.3?

M.

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sound on pismo died

no sound at all works on my pismo 500mhz after upgrading to 10.0.4. also reported on www.macosxhints.com...any fix?

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10.0.4 broke Classic

I just upgraded to 10.0.4. The only changes I can see are that Classic apps are no longer able to access the network, and my G4/400 now crashes with a kernel panic when I shut down or reboot.

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My pismo sound died, too.

Sucks.

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pismo sound resurrection

my pismo got sound back after shutting down box totally and not just restarting :)

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Faster than windows95

I think I can say that OS X is faster than Windows95 on a 386 with 4MB RAM

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Now I can't do anything

My blue and white 300 now doesn't recognize either my mouse or keyboard. I don't know what to do except to reload my whole system...

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Apple releases Mac OS X 10.0.4

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Timing

re: another puwnie update

Speed!

Fried my hard drive!

About Mac Os

Build

to all let down

I hate myself

Uninstalls themes

yay

DVD?

Menus

Rev A Imac loads faster

Rev A Imac loads faster

install error

No noticable difference

optimizing takes forever.

Brightness

4Q4 will not upgrade

Scheduler fixed?

Brightness

X Server updates, but..

Broke SSH

OS X Server??

re: ssh

Brightness...

10.0.4

update

usb cdrw

???????

one bonus

Error in 10.0.4

Fixes monitor sleep

Detailed changes

one bonus

IE spinner

Error in 10.0.4??

data burning - priority

Faster Pismo

10.0.4 freezes with PCI R

Speed Increase in 10.0.4

pci radeon and crash?

Speed increase on my pism

Data burning for CDR/RW?

dvd

Disappointing but Helpful

WOOHOO!

More iTunes c***?

Still to slow

SOUND!?

Install Time

Any Upgrade is a Good One

Airport

10.0.4 blew up my box

love it or stop whining

Finder behavior

no speed up here

OpehSSH and sudo