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Roxio countersues in Gracenote lawsuit

updated 01:10 pm EDT, Thu June 21, 2001

 
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Roxio, makers of the Toast CD burning software, has responded to and countersued Gracenote, Inc. in response to its lawsuit filed on May 10, 2001 alleging that Roxio had infringed upon its patent and its CDDB trademark.

In its countersuit, Roxio alleges that Gracenote mislead the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office into granting its patent of the CDDB database. Roxio maintains that Gracenote sought to trademark a generic acronym and sought to obtain copyright protection for the work of the CDDB contributors after promising the public that the database would be freely accessible. On May 24, 2001, the Court denied Gracenote's request for a temporary restraining order that would have stopped Roxio from shipping certain of its products, finding that Gracenote failed to a demonstrate a likelihood of success on the merits.


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    ignore previous poster

    troll.

    On topic, I hope Roxio wins. garcenote DID Lie to their consumers, and are just trying to bleed many free services, like iTunes and some Open source linux players

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    God

    I love this country. THIS is how everyone makes their money these days. God bless the USA!

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    Roxio...

    Well, good for them. On the other hand since they have made a pack with the devil (RIAA) who cares? CDDB is just making a mess of things.

    Roxio needs money to defend itself, so they sign their souls over the the RIAA. Roxio wins, so CDDB is forced to no longer charge and they go out of buisness. We loose the orginal Roxio and loose CDDB.

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    spelling

    - pact, not pack
    - lose, not loose

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    Re: Roxio...

    The latest version of toast works good, right? Just don't buy the next version with the limitation built in.

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    Who do we loose them upon

    We loose the orginal Roxio and loose CDDB.

    LOSE.

    Looks like neither CDDB or FreeDB is truly an open database. You could always type in the info yourself.

    But is there really any other revenue stream for Greacenote other than a license fee to the apps that autolink to its database?

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    cddb

    ya can't have it all for free. lying aside, i've got _no_ trouble paying for the convenience of CDDB. period.

    everything for free = internet bubble = jumping out of window. never good. not even a little bit.

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    CDDB

    There are other possible revenue streams for Gracenote (subscriptions, etc.) but they're all equally bad, if not worse. The real problem - a problem shared by many Internet startups - is that Gracenote wasn't founded to provide a service, it was founded solely to capitalize on the popularity of CDDB. For a long time, CDDB was open and free, but at some point, someone decided to try and make money off the contributions of thousands of users. Rather than trying to provide alternative or value-added services, Gracenote was simply trying to find a way to cash in on the existing CDDB - and it now appears there's no really effective way to do that.

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    Re: CDDB

    Good analysis. I'd go further and suggest that they've failed because their revenue model depends on restricting access to information. The source of that information (provided for free by users like me at our expense) makes their action more obviously loathsome, but the fact is that the general idea will never work, regardless of one's views on intellectual property and the like. It's akin to keeping a secret among many people (YOU'RE allowed to know the title tracks, but YOU'RE not), and any spy will tell you that simply can't be done. ;)

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    The question is..

    The question is, did the cost for CDDB of running the servers to answer the queries match the value it got from people who entered the track details for it?

    Costs money to run servers. Nothing to sell in the track info per se. Subscriptions do seem like the only way forward; else almost everyone is parasitic on you, because only one person enters that track data but zillions d/l it.

    So you might not like Gracenote but the cost is invisible to you - it's in the price of the software. Which comes bundled with your CD burner. Tell me the problem you had with Gracenote again?

    Charles

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