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Opera 5.0b1 posted to Web

updated 10:20 am EDT, Tue May 29, 2001

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Opera Software today announced the beta version of its alternative browser for the Mac, Opera 5.0b1. Compatible with Power Macs running Mac OS 7.5 (as well as with OS X in Classic mode), the browser offers support for 128-bit encryption, SSL, CSS1/CSS2, XML and JavaScript 1.3. The release expires August 1, 2001. A Carbon version is currently being tested internally with a public release scheduled for the summer.

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os x classic problem

anyone else having trouble getting this to launch from the classic environment in os x?

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It won't launch....

.....from the dock! You have to double click on the application itself!

(I posted this using Opera 5.0b1 in OS X classic)

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Who is supporting who?

I love it when the notes on Opera says it supports the Classic environment...

Yeah right!

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It won't launch....

.....from the dock! You have to double click on the application itself!

(I posted this using Opera 5.0b1 in OS X classic)

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I really like this...

MSIE 5 can almost go in the dumpster... now to test the plugins....

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carbon opera

Although I really like opera, I don't see the point of launching classic just to use a web browser when there are browsers that run in X without classic. I'll use Opera again when it's caronized.

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Damn.

I like Opera. Only if it would support Unicode...Not much use for us foreigners...

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Always fifteen steps behi

We finally have Opera for the Mac OS, only they made it for older OSs instead of making it carbonized right off the bat. I would have had more respect if they had coded it into carbon right off the bat. Why are they bothering to make a Classic app? It doesn't make much sense to me.

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It makes tons of sense

The number of OS X users right now is tiny. It will continue to be tiny for at least another three or four months (more likely, the rest of the year, but that's just my guess).

So releasing for OS 9 makes perfect sense from a marketing perspective; making it work in Classic means that the small number of OS X users can still try it out, and they'll release a Carbon version after OS X is the default OS...

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classic

It's a classic app because there are more people who know how to
A) write a classic app and
B) more users *don't* run X.

Use it as is for now and look forward to the carbon version. Opera is a great product. :)

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Apple Store website

Anyone else notice the misaligned and black borders on graphic at the Apple Store website http://store.apple.com? According to Opera, this is because the site does not adhere to W3C standards.

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About Carbon

Maybe you didn't notice, but Carbon apps run fine in Mac OS 8.5 and higher.

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GET OVER CRASH OS 9!!!

Get over Crash OS 9, people. It's so dead they had to bury it twice. Any developer not coding in Carbon, or better yet, Cocoa, is behind the times and needs a kick in the a$$. OS X is here NOW. Developers support is the only way bring more users to it.

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RE: About Carbon

I posted earlier that they should have made a carbon version (titled "fifteen steps behind"). This is exactly what I was saying. Had they made a carbon version, Opera could have been used natively both in X and in 8.5 and higher. They should be working on making a great presence in the mac market. In fact, they should concentrate on X because there is no real definitive browser for it yet (they all kind of suck, though I'm partial to Omniweb).

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Too late, Opera...

I think we all will go to Mac OS X eventually. The OmniWeb 4.0 is the best browser I've ever used.
We have to start getting away from Classic. That's the way it is.

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Who cares about Mac OS X

Not me. I need an OS (and a Finder) that actually works. I don't give a damn about Steve's eye candy and I'm glad these guys are realistic and wrote Opera for Mac OS 9....it's what I plan to continue using.

If you think the majority of Mac users are going to switch to Mac OS X anytime soon you are living in a fantasy world.

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What browser

We have a browser that gets the 'spinning beachball' if you look at it wrong. [IE] We have a browser that does not support Javascript fully and has no concept about realoading pages or following links. [OW] We have a browser that crahses if you look at it wrong [iCab]. We have a broswer with the non-standard interface which does not always work. [Fizzilla] Now we have a browser with dated technology, one . [Opera] What next, a version of Mosaic that is 'Mac OS X compatible'.

IE is still the best of a rather sad lot. I will not hold my breath.

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Apple Store website

Don't know how to tell you this, but I would think 99.999% of all sites don't follow W3C standards. They follow the standards needed to get them to work in netscape and IE and all the rest. If they followed W3C, then half the browsers out there would have problems.

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8.1 can run Carbon apps..

... just install the CarbonLib.

The best browser for X is either links or Fizzilla BTW.

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RE: Apple Store website

True, the vast majority of web sites aren't standards compliant, but the vast majority of their problems are issues that rarely affect how the browser renders the page: not closing tags properly, lack of a doctype, etc etc.

Although it varies, churning out standards compliant pages isn't nearly as hard as many people think, and has been known to fix more rendering problems that might be caused (due to a bug in a specific browser).

The news is encouraging. However, I do not consider neither OmniWeb or iCab a serious browser until it offers GOOD CSS1 and CSS2 support (CSS isn't some "gee whiz" fancy or buzzword standard, it's critical considering the underlying problems it can solve and the power it gives to visual web designers). Opera is starting to get there.

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Larger user base...

What OS has a larger user base? Mac OS Classic. What API still has issues? Carbon. How many Carbon browsers are out there? Two. How many of them are beyond beta? None.
Opera is still the fastest Mac browser I've used whether your using OS 9.x or lower, or running it in Classic (if this beta does indeed run in the Classic environment...the TPs didn't). Yes, it's still has issues, but it just entered beta. The Tech Previews were amazingly solid.
The only major functionality issue I have with Opera is the lack of control over the location of the Disk Cache.

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damn it's fast

they really aren't kidding. this thing is a screamer. but it's handling of css seems a bit, well, odd. i need to do a bit more testing, but my initial review is that it is SO compliant with current standards that many of the workarounds you may have done int he past with html and css for non-compliant browsers will fail to work.

of course, this is a nice problem to have, relatively speaking... ;-)

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And future?

What OS has future? OS X. I'm just pointing out that, for now, both classic and OS X have its own pros and cons. Let's agree to disagree. Both OmniWeb and Opera are nice browsers.

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Niner Whiners

To the absolutely scintillating moron who posted the message entitled "Who cares about Mac OS X":

Who am I?

Waaaaaaa... I want to stay in an old dead operating system forever because I'm afraid to face the future. Waaaaaa... I don't care that my computer crashes every 45 seconds and has no memory protection. Waaaaa.... I want one application (or mouse click, for that matter) to bring my system to a grinding halt. Waaaaaa... I hate Aqua, I love the stagnant boring grey of Platinum. Waaaaa.... I want to use an outdated, substandard piece of technology that was built on a house of cards to begin with, instead of something with superior stability and multitasking capabilities. Waaaaa... Waaaaa... WAAAAAAA.... The world has passed me by but I just keep on whining.

I am the Niner Whiner. Mock me some more, I SO deserve it.

You guys are just too easy to laugh at.

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Carbon and Opera

I use 9.1 most of the time too, as the X Finder is inferior to the (circa 1987) fully Cocoa NeXT Browser and X is general is appless, driverless, betaware...The idea of a Niner Whiner is clever though...As for Opera, I am posting this from it but agree that the fact it is not Carbon is retarded. Unless Opera's folks have brain damage, this means to me that it has either been a longstanding project which only now has come to completion, an old one which was abandoned and only now has been finished, or (like Quark) they just don't give a s***. This last proposition is the least likely as unlike Quark they are not a monopoly...I d/l Opera whenever there is a new version, fool around with it, then trash it when I realise that it is rather limited, despite it's thankfully small RAM requirement..I guess that I'll just have to keep using IE and OW in X and Communicator 4.77 in 9.1...I wish I had a real choice....Come on Opera, why not Carbon?!!!

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freedom of choice

There was a sneakypeak beta of OmniWeb that feels like they've gotten some stuff squashed. Opera has a ways to go. IE unfortunately (?) does most things right that I need.

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Faster download for Opera

If you are having problems downloading from the US mirror, try the norwegian link

http://opera.online.no/mac/5.0/english/beta1/Opera5.0Installer.PPC.sit

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Cutting Edge Morons

Some people actually use their computers to do work, not to stare at cough-drop-inspired eye candy. While you're poking around in OS X's slow, unintuitive interface admiring your translucent menus and wishing you had a native app or two, OS 9-using professionals are creating graphics in Photoshop and surfing speedily in Opera.

What's wrong with using OS 9? Unless OS X improves drastically, I plan to stick with 9 for the next five years at least. (By the same token, I'll bet there's many a musician who wouldn't part with OS 8.6.)

OS 9 almost never crashes. It's speedier than OS X. And there's thousands of apps for it. Why begrudge me my productivity? Have fun watching your icons bounce up and down in the dock and reformatting your drive after a kernel panic. I'll stay with what's tried and true, thank you.

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Need Carbonation

Nice browser, great rendering enging. But until it runs native on OSX, it's useless to me.

- Scott

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Opera does run in Classic

It does run in Classic mode from TP1 to TP3 and Beta1 by using "get info" in Mac OS X and put checkmark next to "run this in classic mode" (something like that) then it will RUN in Classic. . Opera is actually carbonized but it won't launch so right now Opera says they have carbonized Opera in testing INTERNALLY NOW so as soon the PPC version is done then they will release Carbonized version as public beta and once it is final then they will release 68K version lastly..

So chill out people.. It does run either in Mac OS or Mac OS X be glad you can run it on your older mac hooked up to internet and browse real faster than IE or Netscape on old Mac.. sheesh.. that's what Opera wants to market a Multi-Mac OS web browser that can run from 7.x to 10.x on both 68K and PPC so don't tell us to release X version first..

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Love apple, love omni, lo

Why must we blame to each other? Why can't we just agree to disagree? We all are using Macintosh, aren't we?

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Fast, fast , fast

Finally a browser on MAc who rivals, well, everything other standard browserd on PC. It has always been frustrating to see how slow Netscape and IE on the mac are compared to the PC versions. With Opera, everything is flying. Whoohoooo!!!

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Browsers

Well, we're NOT all using Macintosh (yet). I am a well pleased OS/2 user--will run my OS/2 3.27 box into the ground. But I will be setting up a Mac OS X box for my daughter this summer--it looks like by and large it is competitive with OS/2 (and high time, too). Some things are better than OS/2, some are not as good (I miss the right mouse button functionality found in OS/2), and some are just different. The lessons I have learned with OS/2, such as running aps in older OS's under OS/2, are serving me well with Mac OS X--the similarities are striking. I think I will refrain from cluttering up the Mac OS X box with Classic apps insofar as possible, although some patience will be called for.

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