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IBM to debut highest-resolution display

updated 11:00 am EDT, Sat April 28, 2001

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IBM plans to introduce a 20.8-inch flat-panel display in May that will feature picture-in-picture TV streams and various split-screen configurations. While slightly smaller than Apple's Cinema Display, the display will feature a 2048x1536 resolution, or almost twice the resolution and working area of Apple's offering. The display will sell for around $6,000.

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working area? nah.

nah, instead of working area, it would be nice to start seeing the move to higher densities...along with OS support for it. a move to 144dpi would be great for screens. IBM's been known to be trying to make high resolution displays for the past few years, I think they've achieved 200dpi in experimental displays already!

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Um, d'uhh...

Working area is defined by the # of pixels... IBM's resolution (# of pixels) is twice that of Apple's... therefore, twice the working area...

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resolution

72 ppi was chosen long ago for a very good reason. It means a pixel very closely approximates a typesetter's point. Moving away from 72 ppi is bad news for the publishing industry.

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my eyes!

I would love to have that much pixel area--but my eyes won't take a tight DPI for long. For most people, bigger pixels are better (up to a point).

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2 x pixels = 2 x price

I'd rather get two of the Cinema displays for the same price. Then you'll get working area where you can actually read the text.

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OSX

In case you haven't figured it, this display will look *great* under OS X, which consumed roughly 25% more screen area than OS 9 and earlier. On my PowerBook's 14.1" 1024x768 72dpi screen, I feel like I'm back in front of an old 800x600 display. All the fonts and window widgets are bigger... and don't forget all the anti-aliasing effects that OS X uses.
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re: OS X

Thank you!!!

When the PowerBook G4 came out with a measly 128 horizontal pixels of improvement over the Pismo, me and a lot of people here voiced their disappoinment at the lack of at least a built-to-order option for higher resolution. The naysayers all went "You can't see anything that small!". I said "OS X has antialiased-vectorized text, you can".

Well, turns out I was right. The IBM is the first of many. I'm pretty sure LCDs will become more and more popular (didn't Apple go ahead with LCDs before anyone else ;)) and the resolutions will double over the next couple of years. And OS X will look gorgeous. In fact, the antialiased text sometimes looks bad now it the display resolution is low because there aren't enough pixels available to make smooth transitions.

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mmmm, more pixel density!

This finally rivals decent 21" CRTs! Now for the 1:6 CRT:LCD price discrepancy... but, this is great news for all displays, desktop & laptop!

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Needs time

This is a very nice product announcement.
Obviously needs time before the price comes down.
I'd love to have one of these.

I wonder who would buy it at those prices now?

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RE: OS X

I am totally agree with you. I first played the Mac OS X DP4 on my iMac Rev.A till the 2E14 build. Now, I installed the retail version of OS X on my TiPB G4/400. I feel like I lost some real estate.

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more resolution, better

I run my current monitor at 1920x1440 and then increase the size of the text. Pictures look like photographs and text has no sign of pixelation. This is why you can size icons up to 128x128 under Mac OS X. When I switch to a lower resolution, it is hard to tell what the icons are in my dock. (I have a lot of them, and minimize off because I don't like the way it scoots the icons around)

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When OSX is 144 pixels

When OS X is 144 pixels per inch, then this is a phenomenal product to try. I would have to see it, but I would consider paying that much

double resolution, same size workspace!

Think different about it.

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i'd settle

for some damn apple displays that are bigger than 15" and less $$ than 22"

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Two ACDs?

How are you going to do that? Do you know of any PCI video cards that have the Apple Display Connector? I suppose you could go through a $300 adapter, but I've yet to see how much interference you get going through that adapter, because you know there is.

If Apple wasn't so arrogant and stupid they would have DVI connectors on their monitors.

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re: Two ACDs?

Arrogant and stupid?

You might be the stupid one.
Because you have to realize before given to the standards board (IEEE) firewire was created by Apple.

So dipshit, if they can get the ADC to the IEEE as well it saves everyone every where some cables. i.e. no power cable, built in USB hub.

Pull your head out of yer a** man.

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two acd's

can you say "proprietary"?

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Need intermediate size

I'd like Apple to come out with a LCD flatscreen about 18" diaginol. 15" is too small and 22" is WAY too expensive.

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publishing industry/72ppi

yeah, publishing industry has those requirements, but i sure don't want one industry holding everyone else back from getting higher dpi on screen. it benefits all, and there's no reason that a point couldn't be virtualized onto the higher density screen. laser printers don't print at 72 ppi after all...

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Publishing

I am not in publishing, but don't you think that things will move forward there at some point, too? How old is that standard�, you know there was a time when everybody used LPs and not CDs�
I would like to see a 18' version of the Cinema Display, same resolution same aspect but multiple input (VGA, DVI, ADC, S-Video etc, TV tuner�, a kind of 'Media Display') for about $2000.

And I am sorry, but ADC is stupid.
Who cares about a couple of cables, when you can actually use the bloody thing with any computer there is.
Silicon Graphics had the same problem with their connector and they have brought out the Multilink adapter, so you can use their display on just about any computer!
And guess what, it is the bestselling 17' LCD on the market.

Sony has quite happily solved this problem, too with a 'media engine', just one cable to the monitor (including Audio, Power, Video etc), little box under the table with powersupply etc and it is just (nearly) as clean and FULLY compatible.
They even have a version with a built-in TV-tuner in Japan�
Get over yourselves, Apple! at least give people an option about this�
I would have bought a Cinema Display long ago if I could use it with my Pismo in a sensible manner.
One sale lost, I wonder how many�

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18 inch LCD needed

Perhaps Apple feels they can only have one intermediate size LCD and they'ed rather make it 18" than 17", so they are waiting for prices to fall into the right area. Mow that NEC sells an 18" for less than $1150, this could be a good time. I'd like to see an 18" LCD for around $1399 from Apple. I think we will see many new products including this one soon. Their current product lineup is not complete enough and doesn't hit the right price points to support their planned retail stores. They need to fill in some spots.

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Shrink the default icons

thats's what I did and My PowerBook doesn't feel like it has lost any space. The mennu bar and window title bard in X are the same size as 9, too.

I would be happy to see twice the DPI if fonts were twice the size too, but that is only a theoretical possibility--Apple and developers have NOT given us that option. In both 9 and X, the vast majority of text on screen is at a fixed size, shrink it down to a tighter DPI and kiss your eyes goodbye.

Nothing against this product--in certain application niches (and with an eagle-eyed operator) it may well be awesome--and the day when everything on the screen is larger in pixels so as to be readable at higher DPIs will come eventually. But for now, I don't think many people would be well served by this monitor.

Ironically, X was originally built with big icons and big gadgets for just this reason: the trend toward higher-res displays. Then Apple changed the gadgets back to the smaller Mac OS 9 size, to ease the headaches of developers. A reasonable move--and icons can still be as big as you like.

I'd like to see a "doube res" option in Mac OS X that doubles everything: 18-point fonts now have 36 pixels of height, etc. It would still be compatible in a simple no-nonsensw way with 72dpi applications, and EVERYTHING--all text and icons in all apps--would be nicely readable on a high-DPI display. Buttons and icons within apps that weren't aware of this feature would look a little fuzzy when doubled, until developers made bigger icons for this mode. Just like how Mac OS 9 icons look a little fuzzy when enlarged in X. Sounds like a relatively painless transition to me--I hope Apple is planning such a move. Until then, a really tight DPI like IBM offers is going to be hard on the eyes. 10-point UI text is not rare at all--now imagine it shrunk to the equivalent of 5-point size. Ow!

Bu imagine the future, with Web pages where the standard fonts are the same nice readable size as on a Cinema Display, but at twice the resultion and clarity. THAT would be a good use of this IBM monitor.

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ADC is not proprietary

I dont believe. I think Apple published the specs for anyone to freely use. Even, presumably, Windows PC makers. Apple was first (not unusual) but I wouldn't be surprised if it catches on. But you better believe PC makers won't call it an "Apple Display Connector."

I hope it does catch on outside of Apple, because it seems very useful--especially the USB functions.

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ADC

The Apple Display Connector is actually just another name for somthing Sony created, if what I heard many months back is true. Sony created it, Apple implemented it. In fact, don't Apple's Studio Displays (the CRT monitors) use Sony tubes? I know this used to be true, but I also know Apple made a huge investment in Samsung and they are required to buy LCDs from them for the next ten years or so. Anyway, just a thought.

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ADC continued

me again...

I'd like to re-ask a question stated above - are there PCI cards that have ADC connectors?

- Jeff

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Re: ADC continued

You may be able to just use a standard PCI video card with a product like this for ADC monitors:

http://www.gefen.com/products/extendit/new_kvm_usb_extenders_switches/dvi_to_adc/index.html

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Converts DVI and VGA to the ADC (Apple Digital Connector) connection

Connects a G4 computer with an ADC AGP and DVI PCI graphic card for a two ADC monitor connection

Connects a G4 computer with DVI connections to an ADC monitor

Connects a VGA output to a 17" Studio Display Monitor (ADC) ONLY

DVI (m-m) cable used for Video extension

USB (A-B) cable used for USB extension

HTH.

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proprietary or not

I don't think it matters if ADC is proprietory, if no one else uses it, it doesn't make a bit of difference.
And, please, the Gefen converter is $300, more than you are likely to spend on the extra Video Card (just to connect a display, that is mad!)
My money is on:
New 17' studio display to replace 15' (1280x1024) same price
New 20' Cinema display, (media type, multiple input, 1600x1024), $1999
New 24' Cinema display (size as Samsung display, Samsung makes Apples LCDs, I believe, they have a 24' already�) $2999

17' studio CRT remains as low cost alternative.

I believe Apple will push LCD as CRT replacements

PowerBook will sport ADC compatible port and ship with a ADC-DVI cable and a ADC-VGA converter (they are cheap to make), ADC functions will only be available when plugged into a Power supply (pass-through), thus they will have new Power supplies, too.
I don't think there is enough room for 2 connectors.

Anyway, that is what I trhink we are likely to see and it would get me to spend serious money very swiftly.

ADC may be little used, but if it is on the computer, you can use any display.
If it is on the diplay, you are buggered as you can use only ADC computers or spend $300 to use a DVI card.

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Re: proprietary or not

I think a 17 foot studio display would cost a lot more than the price of the current 15 inch one... and at 1280x1024, each pixel would be pretty damn large.

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Hi-Res Display

Someone commented about 72 dpi being best.
I agree that 72 dpi matches the PostScript units,
but 144 dpi = 2 * 72 dpi, would provide a better screen display, if the size mapping is kept correct - ie with more pixels being used.

A Screen Display technology that can do this called "Quartz" springs to mind. (Part of OS X), though that ability may not be enabled yet. (since I have not seen how to do this).

-- Peter

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IBM to debut highest-resolution display

updated 11:00 am EDT, Sat April 28, 2001

working area? nah.

Um, d'uhh...

resolution

my eyes!

2 x pixels = 2 x price

OSX

re: OS X

mmmm, more pixel density!

Needs time

RE: OS X

more resolution, better

When OSX is 144 pixels

i'd settle

Two ACDs?

re: Two ACDs?

two acd's

Need intermediate size

publishing industry/72ppi

Publishing

18 inch LCD needed

Shrink the default icons

ADC is not proprietary

ADC

ADC continued

Re: ADC continued

proprietary or not

Re: proprietary or not

Hi-Res Display

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working area? nah.

Um, d'uhh...

resolution

my eyes!

2 x pixels = 2 x price

OSX

re: OS X

mmmm, more pixel density!

Needs time

RE: OS X

more resolution, better

When OSX is 144 pixels

i'd settle

Two ACDs?

re: Two ACDs?

two acd's

Need intermediate size

publishing industry/72ppi

Publishing

18 inch LCD needed

Shrink the default icons

ADC is not proprietary

ADC

ADC continued

Re: ADC continued

proprietary or not

Re: proprietary or not

Hi-Res Display

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