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Reader: Toast 5.01 fixes Disc Burner issues

updated 12:05 pm EDT, Sat April 21, 2001

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Joe Bossalini passed along some observations about the recently released Toast 5.01 update:

"I installed the Toast 5.0.1 update yesterday on my G4 450/DP with and Adaptec 2930 SCSI card and external Plextor SCSI drive. While the drive previously worked flawlessly with Toast and iTunes, it never worked with Disc Burner (which Apple confirmed as correct behavior). Well, it looks like the Toast 5.0.1 CD Reader extension worked some magic, because after the update I happened to pop a blank CD in the burner and the Finder asked me how I wanted to format it! I was able to make both an ISO and HFS+ disc with Disc Burner without any problems. Hats off to Roxio for fixing an Apple problem!!"

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Annoying Apple slam

Apple has been working cooperatively with Roxio to fix this problem. They both deserve credit.

I don't know why a conflict between Disc Burner and Toast is presumed to be Apple's fault anyway. Driver conflicts are not uncommon in the computer industry and often neither developer has really done anything wrong.

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you don't understand

disc burner doesn't support scsi drives and you are supposedly unable to burn discs from the finder without an external application such as toast.

that is what the reader is referring to as the roxio fix to the apple problem.

it really isn't a problem, it's just that now an unsupported non finder accesible scsi drive now works using disc burner AS WELL AS toast.

whatever they fixed to make toast and disc burner/itunes work together, now makes scsi drives work under the finder with or without toast which wasn't the case before.

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No, you don't understand

Apple and Roxio have been working together, as the first poster said, to add more third party compatibility to iTunes and Disc Burner while ensuring the Apple extensions no longer conflict with Roxio's. There NEVER was an Apple problem for external SCSI burners, they just were lower on the priority timing list for adding support.

The main effect of the collaboration seems to be Apple benefits from getting Roxio support for it's software and Roxio gets assurances their extensions won't be conflicted. Probably also some side agreements on how far iTunes and Disc Burner apps will venture into Roxio's territory.

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And where exactly...

did you hear that Apple was helping Roxio? Just because AppleInsider says something doesn't mean it's true.

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Reliable info source

I do not what AppleInsider has to do with it. I read that Apple was working with Roxio in a TIL on Apple's support website.

I suppose it is possible that Apple lied in their TIL, but somehow I really doubt it.

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More evidence

Another indication that they were working together is that when that guy released a hacked CD-RW driver that addressed the conflict problem, both Apple and Roxio simultaneously issued a cease and desist order.

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It's a nice update but..

...now instead of my QPS Que! Fire 8x4x32x Plextor based CD-RW just being choppy in playing back audio CDs digitally, it completely locks the drive in every program and doesn't allow a single note to play. Extraction for ripping works fine though. I'm sure the RIAA must love that! ;-) Too bad it screws me out of a CD playback drive...

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you still dont understand

disc burner DOES NOT oficially support scsi drives. the reader is saying that NOW it does. NOT because of an apple release on APPLE's site, but because of a roxio update that he has installed.

the only comment that is wrong, is that he refers to it as an apple "problem". it is not a problem, apple specifically says that disc burner does NOT support scsi drives.

now disc burner does, WITHOUT using toast.

that is the added side benefit of installing the roxio update.

yes, they are working together, but you still do not see disc burner officially supporting scsi drives WITHOUT using toast.

THAT IS WHAT THE READER IS TALKING ABOUT AND SAYING NICE JOB ROXIO.

it's not a dis to apple, just an added perk provided if you apply the toast update.

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your comment

"I don't know why a conflict between Disc Burner and Toast is presumed to be Apple's fault anyway. Driver conflicts are not uncommon in the computer industry and often neither developer has really done anything wrong."

this is not even what the reader is saying. you are wrong. if you read CAREFULLY, you will see that he said...

"While the drive previously worked flawlessly with Toast and iTunes, it never worked with Disc Burner (which Apple confirmed as correct behavior)."

he is saying NOW, after the update......

"Well, it looks like the Toast 5.0.1 CD Reader extension worked some magic, because after the update I happened to pop a blank CD in the burner and the Finder asked me how I wanted to format it!"

the key here is "THE FINDER"

which is refering to the disc burner application ALONE, not while toast is running.

don't take every comment so personal, i love apple too!

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this is from APPLE site

*Mac OS 9.1 is required for CD authoring support.
�Disc Burner does not support SCSI mechanisms.

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OS + Toast=Mac user pay$

I think the one important point that no one here has made (probably because they're too busy arguing...) is that it's really too bad that Apple didn't just support SCSI drives from the beginning.

Now that they are supported, they're supported thru a third party app that you have to pay money for.

That's not exactly what I'd call a bargain. Espically since Toast 5 costs like $80-100. That's just lame. Apple should have released an update to the drivers for free.

If Apple has been working on the update with Roxio why do you need Roixo's product exclusivily? Why didn't both just release an update.

Anyone get's their panties in a bunch... I know why, $. Apple doesn't want to have to support 3rd party scsi. It's a pain in the a**. And roxio doesn't want to add support and versatility for free, that's why toast 5 costs a bunch. All this for a product that just finally added backround burning.

All I'm sayin here is that these features should have been made availible to everyone, and not just the owners of toast.

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What extensions new w/5.0

I see the following Toast extensions in OS 9.1 system folder. Please post if 5.0.1 update didn't install the correct extensions.

Toast CD Reader 5.0
Toast Firewire Support 1.0.7
Toast USB Support 2.1.4
Toast CD Recording Software 1.0

Thanks.

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Wait to condemn Apple

on this one until iTunes 1.2 and Disc Burner 1.2 are out, maybe as early as next week. I bet those updates will have the SCSI functionality complements of the work with Roxio.

Roxio just got theirs out faster because people pay that $80-100 to not have to switch startup sets in order to use Toast.

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Extensions

quote "the key here is "THE FINDER" which is refering to the disc burner application ALONE, not while toast is running."

Your knowledge of how extensions work is outstanding (insert sarcasm here) . The new Roxio extension for Toast is what does the trick, not the application. Probably has much of the same code a new set of Apple extensions will have.

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Who cares.

It works fantastically well. Thanks Apple and Roxio. Now I don't have to choose between DiscBurner/iTunes and Toast. This thing ROCKS! windoze users can watch it and WEEP while I burn at 16x on my Firewire burner in the background and have yet to see a burn fail.
*AND* it is so pathetically easy to use.

One recommendation: anyone who has a recent DVD player and a DV camcorder should try "Export to VCD" in iMovie. It is so frickin SWEET.

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i'm not arguing

i don't really care. my posts were not to argue who is right and who is wrong, i was just pointing out that the first person who posted had missed the point.

the reader was just saying that functionality and scsi support not originally given by apple had been given by a third party and created a pleasant surprise.

i don't think he was blasting apple or anything. the word "problem" was just used which made it seem like something was being "fixed"

the first post ran with that and didn't realise that the actual issue was that scsi was not supported or enabled by discburner.

i would have to be really stupid to not know that the new extensions were what provided this support. i was only trying to keep the forum from going on a unrelated tangent.

anyway, who cares, i see it went there anyway.

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Why the flame war?

The bottom line here is that there is a fix to a known conflict. It doesn't matter who fixed it. What matters is that it is fixed.

Get over it and spend your time on more productive uses of your time!

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Blah Blah Blah Redux

This was posted earlier but somehow mistakenly deleted:
Blah blah blah Roxio. Blah blah blah Apple. BLAH BLAH! Blah! Blah?! Blah!

It is sad that my most intellegent commentary and analysis is ignored when you-all just jabber-on.

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New drivers

"All I'm sayin here is that these features should have been made availible to everyone, and not just the owners of toast."

Why?

It is nice of Apple to provide us with free CD burning software, but they do not have to.

Saying that the new functionality should be made available for everyone seems to imply that they owe it to us for some reason, but they don't! Apple goes above and beyond to provide us with iTunes and Disc Burner for free, but then some people still want to complain that Apple is not doing enough.

However, despite the fact that Apple is under no obligation to provide this update to us for free, I expect they will anyway. They just have not gotten around to it yet; most likely because they will be packaging the new drivers with some other enhancements in an upcoming update to iTunes and/or Disc Burner.
Remember the Toast 5.01 update just came out and just because it has the new drivers first does not mean Apple won't release them too.

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A whole lot of pointing

When some of you accuse that first post of missing the point, perhaps you are missing the point.

This whole debate started because of one comment in the MacNN news item :

"Hats off to Roxio for fixing an Apple problem!!"

The first post focused on the fact that this comment seems to imply that Apple did something wrong and congradulates Roxio for fixing it. That first post was correct to say that Apple did nothing wrong to begin with and to point out that Apple had been involved in the development of the improved drivers.

Whether or not Joe Bossalini meant for it to be a slam against Apple, it does sound like one. There are a lot of extremely ignorant users floating around this website who take any opportunity they can to bash Apple; saying Roxio fixed Apple's problem practically begs those morons to chime in about how Apple never does anything right. Those pathetic souls would not bother to even think about whether or not there was actually an Apple problem needing to be fixed or whether or not Apple helped fix it.

I am glad the first post was what is was because otherwise we probably would have seen a lot more posts from trolls whining and complaining about Apple.

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freecom traveller support

Hi there,
it seems yup seem to enjoy bashing each other. But can some-one tell me wether Toast 5/Disc Burner combo will support the freecom traveller portable ecternal cdrw. It is sold in the us as the vst cdrw.

cheers raymond

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just like in every forum

People love to bash, that's the way of things.

But, what I was gettin at before is that if Apple is working with Toast, why didn't they both do a simultanious (sp?) release of the new scsi-happy drivers. That way people who have scsi drives and not toast could use Disc Burner.

Apple should have released the driver if they were in fact working with Roxio.

And by the way, Apple doesn't HAVE to do anything. They can just sit on their a** and let 3rd party companies walk all over their a**, on the Mac and Windows side of things...but if they want to succeed they need to provied thier users with things that the users can brag about....for instance. "I've got a 5 year old burner and it still works with iTunes! Isn't that bad a**?" Or like my drive is scsi, and it's runnin on a Rev A iMac thru a 3rd party scsi card, and it's still rockin out hard core!" Stuff like that it what makes using apple gear great...the fact that they didn't HAVE to do something but they did it anyway.

Stuff like that sells computers, and software.

Stuff like coming out with software that doesn't support the standard for connectivity of external devices (at least up until about a year or so ago) right off the bat, only makes a consumer pissed off, and not feel like buying Apple gear.

If Apple doesn't do things like help people extend the life of their gear, well, why pay the premium price? Like why should I pay for a Mac that in a year Apple's not gonna feel like writing the drivers for?

That's my point, for every place where Apple goes above and beyond what they HAVE to, they look like a better company. For every place where Apple cuts out their own users in an attempt to get them to buy new gear (which will be made obsolete thru the exclusion of connectivity which they could have added but didn't so they could cut costs, charge more and then add the connectivity as a feature later....i.e. Rev a b c iMacs, no fire wire, and then firewire on the new DVSE...when Firewire was on the Desktops the whole time...) that makes them look lame, like just another company.

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they are not running...

a charity

they have to make money too...or there will be no apple.
dont forget that..

their new platform is based on g3, usb, firewire and up.

there has to be some cutoff point.

everybody stop complaining, or buy wintel and get the f@%k off of this forum.

bunch of babies....if you dont like it, buy linux...

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They're running....

A computer company that is constantly evaluated and held to a higher standard than any other computer company in the world.

You're such a tool for not being able to see that.

What makes up Apple's main buying public? New buyers? h*** no! Apple makes it's money off repeat buyers. Repeat buyers brag about how great Apple is. Repeat buyers educate most people on the advantages of the Mac OS, and Mac hardware. Alienate them, but neglecting to support their hardware, and you've alienated the people that do most of your selling for you.

Oh and by the way, if their new platform is based on G3, usb firewire and up, why is SCSI still availble as a built to order option?

Man I'm F***** sick of people that open their uneducated mouths and spout off about how Apple is about this and that. They don't know s*** about Apple. What they know is that Mommy and daddy bought them their nice new G4, and they can't believe how much these whiney people complain about Apple not doing this and that.

Wait till apple stops supporting your machine and see how well you take to it. Oh that's right mommy and daddy will just drop another 3000 on a computer that will be obsolete before is comes off the assembly line.

I notice that you didn't mention that. The plan of built in obselence that Apple has going. If their platform is based upon firewire, and firewire was availble when the iMac was introduced, why wasn't it included in the iMac. SO THAT APPLE COULD STILL CHARGE A PREMIUM PRICE FOR A PRODUCT THAT WAS PURPOSLY LIMITED! Then just introduce a new model, and tout firewire as a feature.

Did you even read that post above? Do you understand it? The guy was pissed because Apple purposly held off, screwed it's loyal followers, and charged them for a new computer for functionality that should have been there in the firstplace.

I mean what kind of an a** makes a new computer without some kinda fast data I/O port.

Apple.

Just like they did with the classic. With it's limited ram, and no expansion. It was all done so they could build demand for a feature their computer should have had all along, and then make more money off the artifically created demand.

Who's a lemming now? Pay money, get computer, computer stop getting supported...force you to...pay money get computer...

Jeesus, how can your love for apple blind you from that cycle?

Computers are supposed to be useful, and not just be something you buy to get you to realise you need a new one.

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Ignorance

Ok, so you only prooved youself to be the a** that I thought you were.

1. I've been supporting apple since they made APPLES. You remember those right, the apple IIE, the Apple IIGS, you know the computers that made Apple enough money so they could make the Mac...

By the way, as a share holder I'm sure you listen to the webcasts of the financial meetings. You remember the one where they said that most of apple's customers were repeat buyers? Yeah, I didn't make that up.

By the way, if we don't complain...how will things get any better? Oh that's right, we're supposed to run linux...hey, just curious does Pro Tools run on linux?

Actually, you can see where not caring about the customer got Apple...thank's to their education blunder, apple isn't even in the top spot for that anymore.

Man, why don't you actually try to respond to the 'intellectual' statements that I made, rather than sinking to my immature, broke a**, don't by enuf macs to compare to your business that helps you make 10 times more in a year that I make, and obviously means that your opinion is more valid than mine level?

Oh and you only prooved my point about the whole computer buying cycle...after all a linux box runs pretty fast on a 386...too bad you had to buy all your macs to keep up with the joneses.

Man I bet you twice as pissed off now, I mean s*** I had to audacity to reply to your boasting....ooooooohhhhh.

Chill out.

And stop insulting people based on money and stupid s*** like that...you sound like a yuppie.

2. I never said that I held Apple to that I high standard, I said that people hold Apple to that standard. You know like the MEDIA. The media that reported that Apple's new OS lacked certain features. The media that poked fun at the iMac not having a fast i/o port. The media that talks and people listen whether they're right or not.

3. What relevance does your yearly income have on the comments that I made?

4. You have yet to respond to the comments that I did make.

5. You have yet to actually make any relevant points of your own.

6. Your use of SCSI, and most of the music industry's for that matter, only prooves my point- that scsi is still a viable i/o standard, and one that shouldn't take a backseat to Firewire in terms of driver support.
(you remember what my post was originally about...oh wait you forgot to talk about that because you were too busy hurling personal insults.)

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whatever...

you started wiith the personal insults.

my parents don't buy my computers...

nuff said

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by the way.....

...my reason for talking about the different models of computers i own was to let you know that i am fully aware of the difference between supported and unsupported apple hardware and the fact that apple hardware stays much more compatible over time than ANY other major platform.

also, my reason for the financial statements was to let you know that my "mommy and daddy" do not buy my computers.

this is my last post...........

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actually chief...

I believe the words

"everybody stop complaining, or buy wintel and get the f@%k off of this forum.

bunch of babies....if you dont like it, buy linux...

Were typed by you not me.

So in the future to quote you again...
mind your stupid a** comments

and...
if you don't have anything intellectual to add to the conversation, then shut up

By the way, you still never responded to any of the points that I made, nor did you make any of your own.

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actually i'm tired......

i made the second comment on the forum and several follow ups........

to each his own.

i dont have time to respond to your comments....

you went off on a tangent and started talking about "mommy and daddy" buying computers.

and

"A computer company that is constantly evaluated and held to a higher standard than any other computer company in the world."

this is what i am referring to........whoever wants to keep complaining about apple as compared to other companies should buy the other companies products instead.......apple is a great company and they have enough of an uphill battle without people whining about every little thing that doesnt satisfy them.

i sometimes think people look for problems at apple......

you can't satisfy all of the people all of the time.....

i see nobody here is thinking they will get better anywhere else......

i know they won't

i wonder how it goes when you have a wintel box a third party cdrw and microsoft operating system?

who gets blamed then when it doesnt work?

apple is justified if they dont want to support scsi with one of their products.

that would be like microsoft supporting every pre-pentium machine on the market.

as i said before, "there has to be a cutoff"

goodnite................

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ROTFL

I never meant to start a flame war with this one, but you folks are funny!

It's kind of fun to watch people argue about what I meant by the last line of my report. Maybe they should have posted my email so someone could have asked me :) Well, my comment meant that "I" thought the lack of SCSI support was a problem, since the only type of burner I have is SCSI. If I had a firewire problem I wouldn't have cared one bit about this thread. I'm entitled to my opinion, as is every one else. I suppose that someone with a Firewire or USB drive would see it as a missing feature.

"You say Tomato..."

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1 statement in a 14

...Paragraph post about planned obselence.

You manage to pick out the one thing in my post and then only replied to that. Sorry that I insulted you. But I'm sure you're a big boy and can handle it.

Just once, how bout you try to actually respond to what I was sayin?

Apple is held to a higher standard by media, past customers, new customers and by themselves.

They purposly don't use hardware availible to them, to increase the return on a particular product, and to increase the return on future products.

They used scsi as their standard for i/o for years. There has to be a cutoff, but this isn't the time.

Firewire still has less of a marketshare in terms of useage, than scsi.

I feel personally that Apple should support their own hardware. The fact that it's a pain in the a** doesn't concern me. I also feel that your statement about going to windows and seeing how I like it, only reflects poorly on Mac users. The typical "Fine if you don't like it don't use it..." That's probably the least productive way to think about computer use.

Apple introduced iTunes. Apple said it would support 3rd party drives. Microsoft has not produced any such product, so to say 'see how you do with windows' really isn't a valid option.

I'm sayin that if Apple produces a product, then the personally should support the product...all the way. They shouldn't expect people to shell out money to get a third party option (which you'll note that Jobs bashed in the keynote when he introduced DiscBurner) to get their software to be compatible with their i/o standard. If they introduced the software they should support it.

It all comes down to the fact that there are people out there, who don't know about this forum, who don't really know how to find out about their computer, and who might think that either the software is bad, or their hardware is screwed up, and that will create a negative user expirence.

Apple's reputation is based on the user expirence...I simply see this as a place where Apple dropped the ball. Not a crisis, just one sign of a larger problem.

1. Apple customers are willing to accept anything in their arrogance of thinking they have a better system

2. Apple customers will bash anyone who critisizes Apple

3. Apple will not improve unless these customers open their eyes and accept that statements like "There has to be a cutoff" are wrong. There doesn't have to be a cutoff. Apple will make money regardless. Apple will sell computers regardless. 3rd party software companies will raise the bar enuf to see to that.

But Apple shouldn't release software that can and does work with their hardware---until it really does. If they do, then they're being lazy, jumping the gun (rember the newton) and again, forcing the planned obselence that I was talking about in my e

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the imac, & forward....

for all intent and purpose is what all of the new software is based on....

even os x is NOT supported on any pre g3 systems.

that, my friend is the cutoff point.

yes, i would like to see apple support scsi, which at some point they may, but as a business owner, i realize that there has to be a point of which you stop officially supporting older technology.

if you don't, you can't give good enough service to the people that are buying your current products.

if you have bought a computer from them since their current lineup, you will have a supported unit.

this IS new software that they introduced.

far as the imac rev a, every model can't have every feature. if you wanted all of the features, any customer could have bought the b/w g3 tower............. has firewire, usb and still works with all of the current software lineup. it costed more $ though. if you buy the cheapest model in 98, don't complain when the 2001 model has more....would you expect it to be the same?

it's like buying a car...if you want the base model, don't complain about lack of power windows, less horsepower, not having power seats.

there is a reason why certain features don't appear on certain models.....it's called running a business and distinguishing between product lines.

personally i think apple does a lot more good than bad.

that is why i say if you don't like it, buy wintel.

only my opinion, but i think some people are never satisfied until they LOSE a good thing.

apple is a great company. they are not perfect, but they have more on the positive than most.

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i forgot to mention...

that they stopped using scsi in favor of using ide a long time ago....

since the beige g3.

i'm pretty sure, not just because ide was better, at the time, but because of widespread use and cheaper prices due to volume and use on wintel systems.

by now , ide has grown to be comparable to the older scsi performance.

this was a business decision. it cuts costs and eventually translates into cheaper prices for consumers.

this is smart business. they may have used scsi for years, but that was pre-g3.

it is like pre-pentium systems on the other platform. at a point, you had to have a pentium or better to run the current software.

now this is what i am really saying.......

i have winbloze computers that i purchased AFTER my 9600 that are like 233mhz paperweight bricks and no good for anything.

if you look at the rest of the industry and usable lifespan of their products, apple blows everybody out of the water!

this is also why, as a small company, apple has to be careful and cost conscious about the decisions they make. they dont necessarily sell you a new computer every 12-18 months like you have to on the wintel platform.

don't forget that they are competing against 85-90 percent marketshare of another platform.

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dont worry......

they will probably support scsi soon, but if they do, they don't have to.

feel blessed if they do.......

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firewire vs scsi

one last thing....

there is a company, long term strategy, based around firewire, imovie, final cut pro, quicktime, idvd, dvd studio pro, etc......

sort of like the "rca" phono jack used for analogue consumer audio

or the

"spdif" coaxial "Sony/Phillips Digital InterFace used for digital consumer audio.

that is one of the reasons firewire is supported so heavily.

apple has a lot of beans on this one........like the future of the company at large....not just selling boxes.....

quicktime is the core of these technologies and firewire/quicktime is hopefully the future of consumer digital streaming media (fingers crossed)

"firewire" is apple's trademark........ "1394" is the general name used by companies that don't want to pay a fee to apple.

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ok, that's cool

I understand what your saying...my only point is that it's a shame that Apple doesn't include ports on machines that it could have that's all. No more no less.

How much did Firewire differentiate the early iMac's from the desktops? See I figured it was the lack of monitor out, multiple harddrives, pci slots and the built in monitor. Oh and firewire.

Apple sold a shitload of iMacs without any fast i/o, and now that they're pushing cd burning, people who bought those computers are stuck with no fast i/o. No external burner.

If they got burnt once by buying Apple gear, why are they going to buy agian?

Apple wants people to upgrade, but I think people will be pissed and 'out grade' out of the platform. The 'fine if you don't like it tough s***' attitude will hurt apple in the long run.

I can understand not puttin firewire on the first rev iMac. But to wait 5 revs before making it standard? And even now the lowend one still doesn't have it.

There were more things than just firewire that set the iMac apart from the G3 desktops. It's pretty plain to me that the reason apple did it was to for upgrades and keep costs down.

I don't say it's right or wrong for them to do. I just think it's S*****. That's all. My opinion, but I can see why it was done.

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Is the war over?

Ok, now that everyone's gotten their angst out for the day, some serious discussion needs to be had about something I learned from a Roxio Tech Support Rep last week. I spent more than 45 minutes on hold with them to ask a question about why Toast 5 incorrectly reports the name of my burner (although I get full functionality as it turns out) only to be informed that Apple is getting ready to release a new version of iTunes that will END the compatibility with Toast once and for all and they don't plan to reinstate it...ever. He said he got it directly from his supervisors and that they were informed of this decision from Apple only recently, right before the Toast update was made available.

I for one hope this isn't true. I use both. I love iTunes for its ease of use. I bought Toast (and it can be found for about $60 if you look hard enough folks) and I use it too. Depends on the situation. Toast is MUCH faster. iTunes is for a lack of better term, cuter.

But if these warnings pan out, everybody is really going to have something to flame about!

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Toast 5.0.1 kills...

Olympus Camedia (the software for downloading from Olympus' digital cameras). Has anyone else had similar problems? Camedia works fine if I disable the Toast reader extension.

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i hope that statement....

about toast and apple is not true.......

that will be bad........

toast does work with discburner though, even before the upgrade.

you just had to wait to put in a blank cd until AFTER toast asked you for it.

that will be bad for apple, it will push roxio over to the windows platform full force.....

nobody wants that.....

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