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Adobe commits to OS X, posts statement

updated 01:05 pm EST, Mon March 26, 2001

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Adobe has finally committed to delivering its applications on OS X with a new OS X-compatibility statement posted today at its Website that provides details on each of its applications.

Adobe supports the direction Apple is taking with OS X. Apple's new operating system promises to ultimately deliver a powerful desktop platform with enhanced stability and reliability for the Macintosh customer.
Currently, most of Adobe's software products do not offer native OS X support. Adobe plans to support OS X native mode in future releases of our flagship products, beginning with Adobe� Acrobat� Reader� 5.0.

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Um.

Hey Adobe! Are you carbonizing or porting to X?

Just wondering...

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OS X native...

native = cocoa

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native = Carbon

I wish it meant Cocoa but it's probably going to be Carbon. Also, what's the point of porting Acrobat if OS-X supports PDF natively?

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Native better mean Cocoa

Native better mean Cocoa... or more importantly they better release Carbon ports before the "next major release".

Also consider that they demo-ed a carbon version of photoshop 5 in 1998 at Seybold.
http://www.seyboldseminars.com/Events/sf98/transcripts/ETAPE_02.html

A carbonized Photoshop can't come soon enough.

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Apple should help

I believe it was Apple that worked on the rough Carbon port of Photoshop 5. If Apple really wants to give OSX a boost, they should assist Adobe in getting their applications on OSX. Two companies working on one companies software would certainly speed up application availability.

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Cocoa please

I will be happy with the carbonized version of PH for now, but Cocoa version is what we all want, and it can't come soon enough!

The companies that comes out with the Cocoa app's first have the chance to shift the battlefield in their market place.

Developers, go cocoa...now!

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Switch!

Maybe it's finally time for you to switch to Macromedia products, especially given that Macromedia have made their support for OS X abundantly clear, They'll be releasing a carbonized Freehand soon.

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Macromedia?

What would Macromedia's alternative to Photoshop be, exactly?

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Adobe is short-sighted

The best way to sink Apple and OS X is for software developers to take a pass at Cocoa and Carbon applications. Adobe should embrace OS X, not give it the cold shoulder.

What application could be more important to the Macintosh than Photoshop? Did Adobe think Jobs was "kidding" on the release date? If they "wait and see" on this, they can almost guarantee OS X's demise.

Adobe should consider the fact that half its sales are to Macintosh. It should realize that OS X is a big opportunity for upgrades. Finally, it should recognize that it's real nice to have an alternate operating system, especially one that is dependent on it.

We could have had OS X (or some differently named NeXT-based OS) in 1998 if it hadn't been for feet-dragging developers. STOP HOLDING THE MAC HOSTAGE!

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CARBON == NATIVE!!!

Carbon is also native...both carbon and cocoa are native apps. There are really no advantages for a carbon based application to migrate to cocoa. Cocoa is a framework...nothing more.

Please don't think that because a company ships a carbon version of an app that it is not native.

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Cocoa/Carbon..

Yeah, both Cocoa and Carbon are Mach-0 binaries... aka, native apps.

But .. he who said there is no advantage to a carbon app to move to cocoa obviously doesn't develop for a living. Cocoa apps seem a lot faster to the user for some reason (Apple?? It would be nice if you made Carbon as fast as Cocoa, seeing as how FINDER is based on Carbon is the most used app on the system), and Cocoa apps are easier to develop and manage.

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Want cocoa apps?

They're here: Stone Design's Studio and Caffeine Software's TIFFany.

OS X is bringing a whole bunch of NeXT developers on the Apple bandwagon, and you owe it to yourselves to take a look at what they're bringing with them.

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Carbon vs. Cocoa

You can speed up Carbon apps by using the new Carbon Event Manager. Most ported apps don't do this, so they are slow (they are spinning in an idle loop until they get an event).

Most Cocoa apps feel faster because most of them are preemtive multi-threaded (which wasn't possible in MacOS 9). A great plus of Cocoa apps are services.

I don't think they will ever port Photoshop to Cocoa, but I hope they will use the Carbon Event Manager...

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Why Acrobat 5.0 is needed

"Also, what's the point of porting Acrobat if OS-X supports PDF natively?"

Acrobat-created PDFs can be optimized and customized for prepress, online distribution, etc. Quartz-native PDFs aren't as flexible, especially with font embedding.

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What about FrameMaker?

I'm a bit concerned that my favorite publishing app wasn't listed...

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I _may_ be wrong..

I think Adobe has EOL'd FrameMaker and PageMaker in favor of InDesign.

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Alarmed!!!

Have you read Adobe's page that is linked here? First, After Effects 5.0 doesn't run perfectly in classic, no big deal, but "Adobe currently plans to offer native support for OS X in the next major release of After Effects." NEXT MAJOR RELEASE, h***, 5.0 HASN'T EVEN BEEN RELEASED!! I've been looking for a reason to switch to Combustion, Commotion or Shake (yes Shake, they've announced they will be porting to Mac OS X and I'm sure it won't be carbon). The same is also said for the other applications I use Photoshop (Maybe, just maybe Corel will make Photo Paint for Mac OS X as good as Photoshop....just maybe??? I've wished for bigger things before), InDesign and Premier. But I've been looking for a good reason to dump Premier and Final Cut Pro is looking a whole lot better now. It also doesn't run in Mac OS X but coming from Apple I feel pretty good that it will sooner than Premier.

How much does Adobe have to abuse us Mac users before we learn? The same goes for Avid|Digidesign, but that's a whole other post.

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Buying Freeze

I, like a lot of you I imagine, stopped buying new software over a year ago because OS 10. I don't want to be stuck having to buy upgrades just to run software native. h***, I'm still running Illustrator 7. As much as I would love to be using Illustrator 9, I'm not upgrading till there's an OS 10 Version. Maybe Freehand will get my upgrade money. But then I also love Illustrator. The though of learning Freehand or Create seems daunting.

The New Photoshop Elements is perfect for me. I don't need the full Photoshop. I use Photoshop LE now and it's work's fine for me. How I want to run this software on OS X.

Illustrator and Photoshop Elements,.. is that to much to ask for? Adobe, are you listening????

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Re: Buying Freeze

Our department is the same way. We are still running Photoshop 5.0.

We haven't upgraded any of our major software for over a year because of OS X.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who have done something similar. When 3rd party software starts flowing in, Apple will get a tremendous boost in hardware sales (cause, like others, we have been waiting for better machines that OS X will absolutely scream on), and 3rd party software sales will go through the roof.

Looking forward to it!

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GIMP

Since an X-Windows server is available for use in concert with Aqua, and since the GNU Image Manipulation Program is open source, It might be an alternative for some. I personally rarely use Photoshop, and I've never used The GIMP, but I've heard that it's pretty good. Naturally, some of the really fancy stuff might be missing, but it might be enough for some people.
Take a look at these sites:

http://www.gimp.org
http://www.macgimp.org/
http://www.mrcla.com/XonX/

-Ster

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Adobe Acrobat 5 +

Adobe Acrobat 5 (at least, the beta) *requires* Carbon 1.2 or higher to run. So clearly that's been carbonized.

I don't think though that wishful thinking about other programs or replacements will do it. Until Adobe produces high-carbon versions of all its major products, graphics design people aren't going to move to X. Simple as that. Maybe they'll rush to buy machines *before* X comes pre-loaded.

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OSX Adobe apps

I am chomping at the bit to upgrade to X, but I've got the entire Adobe Web Collection (incredible, by the way) and I want to wait for the carbon or cocoa versions. I've got my checkbook in hand Adobe, where are the apps??

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Classic for now..

Most of the current Adobe apps run flawlessly in Classic... as fast as OS 9.1 and even faster in some cases. Adobe will port its existing apps using the Carbon API... Cocoa is great, but everyone who thinks that they're going to move their entire code base to Cocoa for the next release needs a huge dose of reality. A huge reason for the inclusion of Carbon was so that Adobe and companies like it had relatively smooth migration paths for their major applications. Either way, upgrade now, and upgrade again when the native versions come out. I've spent the last year actually getting work done rather than worrying about when native OS X apps would become available.

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Re: Classic for now..

Right, but can you use your scanner with Photoshop running in the classic environment??

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Adobe commits to OS X, posts statement

updated 01:05 pm EST, Mon March 26, 2001

Um.

OS X native...

native = Carbon

Native better mean Cocoa

Apple should help

Cocoa please

Switch!

Macromedia?

Adobe is short-sighted

CARBON == NATIVE!!!

Cocoa/Carbon..

Want cocoa apps?

Carbon vs. Cocoa

Why Acrobat 5.0 is needed

What about FrameMaker?

I _may_ be wrong..

Alarmed!!!

Buying Freeze

Re: Buying Freeze

GIMP

Adobe Acrobat 5 +

OSX Adobe apps

Classic for now..

Re: Classic for now..

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