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OS X release expected to be quiet

updated 08:30 am EST, Fri March 2, 2001

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Apple won't be promoting the March 24 release of Mac OS X in large part due to a number of issues with the operating system that won't be addressed until a later a date, according to a c|net article. These apparent issues range from sleep problems with PowerBooks/iBooks to a lack of DVD support. The article quotes sources as stating that a summer update to OS X, code-named Puma, will address many of these issues.

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Another public beta...

...only this time with a higher price tag. :(

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Wait a second...

There's still three weeks until this thing comes out. It won't go GM for at least another week, right? And Apple has been pumping out numerous builds every day for weeks now.

I get pretty tired of c|net's "sources."

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Still...

As much as I can't stand c|net, it does seem that Apple is holding up features in both the Classic OS and OS X. I don't personally think Apple should RELEASE an OS that does have DVD Support or work correctly on iBooks. I would sooner wait a few more weeks for the product, and it would probably hurt Apple less. To work this hard for this long on OS X and then play DOWN the final release is just sad.

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Give me a break...

Okay, I'm sorry, but I couldn't let the ignorance pass by:

"Digital videotape isn't high enough quality for video professionals--most use Beta."

WHO THE HECK BELIEVES THAT ONE? Yeah, I'd rather use analog tape -- THAT HAS GENERATION LOSS THE MORE YOU USE IT, then digital, which offers a higher resolution, not to mention state-of-the art video and audio recording and playback.

I, too, am tired of C|Net's sources. "Oh, no, we can't watch movies!" Yeah, that's a major function that we all use all day every day. Give me a break, people.

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I'm still installing it

on March 24th...I've been waiting for a system like this from Apple since Pink was just a rumor, and I can live with being an early adopter (the Macs I support at work obviously are another story). Warts and all, I think OS X is the best thing to come out of Apple since the original Mac. I can't wait!

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Mac OS X 1.0 =

Public Beta2. Except this time Apple wants you to pay full price for it. It's pretty disappointing.... I mean, if they knew that they weren't going to have all the bugs squashed and all the features there, why the heck did they announce a March 24th date? The entire world wasn't expecting a release anytime before WWDC 2001 anyway.

The only reason I can think of... Quick cash infusion...

Apple really steams me sometimes...

http://www.macosxcentric.com

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Flat-out wrong

Among the other problems with the March release, sources said, is that it won't take full advantage of multiprocessing systems or new video accelerators, such as Nvidia's recently announced GeForce 3 or ATI's Radeon.

OK, this is just plain incorrect. Mac OS X takes FULL advantage of multiprocessing (as their web page on the subject clearly mentions), and support for the Radeon is already present in current builds. Who writes this stuff?

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OS X Promotion

I guess having a countdown claendar for days remaining til OS X, on the Apple Web Site is called keeping a low profile! The last time I saw any statistics the Apple web site was in the top 5 most visited sites for computer makers! Yeah promoting OS X to the millions of Power PC chip users with G3 or G4 Systems is a bad strategy!

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article is trash.

DVD? huh? I work at an Apple reseller. We sell lots of Apple products to lots of people. only very few people care about DVD playback. Its just not something a lot of people do.

As for sleep I have been using OSX since Public Beta exclusively on my G3 PowerBook. Sleep is great. never a hitch. wakes up in under 2 seconds!

Why are they quoting some lame video editor who is bitching about Beta input?? clearly they couldn't find any credible people to pan the OS. people who need beta input are a tiny tiiny fraction of Apple users. Most of those people are avid or media users anyway. not apples problem.

yes there are problems just not what they are talking about
1) It is very easy to bog the UI down to the point where it is unusable. try opening 30+ 1MB graphics files then minize them all

2) Finder does not do true multitasking. In many instances I get the spinning disk in the finder, thus rendering the computer almost useless.

3) other than networking throughput. OSX is slower than OS9 at everything. booting up, loading applications, loading files, copying files.

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Tiresome...

Yes, the constant FUD mongers do get somewhat tiresome. Unfortunately there will always be those for whom the bucket is 5% empty when, for the vast majority, it is 95% full.

To those who don't think $129 is a fair price for OS X 1.0 (including OS 9.1) just don't buy it. No one is forcing you to do so. Spend your money instead on some Windows software which, of course, is bound to be feature complete and 100% bug-free.

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Wait for it...

Everybody take a breath......

Can we wait till X actually ships and see what works and what doesn't? All this posturing and knee-jerk reaction over what "sources" say gets old. We have history to show us it is very difficult to predict what Apple is up to. Why not save a little energy, wait till 24 March when we know for sure and then unleash your attaboys or shotgun blasts.....

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MiniDV is no Beta beater

"Digital videotape isn't high enough quality for video professionals--most use Beta."

WHO THE HECK BELIEVES THAT ONE? Yeah, I'd rather use analog tape -- THAT HAS GENERATION LOSS THE MORE YOU USE IT, then digital, which offers a higher resolution, not to mention state-of-the art video and audio recording and playback.

Who believes that one? Why Video professionals do. The comment is about BetaSP vs. MiniDV (or DVC / DVC pro).

BetaSP, or any of the Beta variants, has a HIGHER resolution than MiniDV / DVC Pro / whatever.

BetaSP doesn't show generation loss until you've copied it a number of times (I forget the recomended maximum, maybe about a dozen?).

Beta is a "true" broadcast standard in that it is used by broadcasters all over the world, vastly outnumbering the use of DV setups in such environments. Of course many broadcasters now use DigiBeta, which gives the resolution of BetaSP plus the convenience of a Digital format...

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Shoddy Reporting-

Not a very balanced report, IMO. Oh, well. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger....stronGER....STRONGER....

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What have they been doing

Given that NextStep / OpenStep has been around (relatively) forever, and given how "easy" it is to Carbonize applications (according to Steve), and given how Cocoa is the best rapid-development environment around (according to Steve), this kinda makes you wonder what they've been doing for the past five years....

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DON'T BUY IT - IT'S EVI

DO NOT BUY MAC OS X. IT IS EVIL. I WILL BUY IT AND BE MORE
PRODUCTIVE THAN YOU, WHILE YOU DECIDE IF IT IS WORTH THE
MORAL RISK. :) Sorry to hurt your ears, but get a life. I
am buying it, and the first thing i am doing is reorganizing
my stuff into the NEW convention for Mac owners, so i will
be more organized. Then, going to learn all the internet
technology servers built in, then going to start learning
all the productivity stuff available. HOWEVER, I do not believe
you should do this, because then I would not have as much of
an advantage over you -- ie, you would be higher on the
productivity curve too!!!

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sleep

Heck, the sleep function has never worked properly on the iMac. I can live without it.

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DV vs. Beta

Beta is a "true" broadcast standard in that it is used by broadcasters all over the world, vastly outnumbering the use of DV setups in such environments. Of course many broadcasters now use DigiBeta, which gives the resolution of BetaSP plus the convenience of a Digital format...

...and DigiBeta is not compressed, is it? I don't think so. That means it probably wouldn't "fit" the badwidth limits on FirweWire (I could be wrong here). DV25 (the protocol used on MiniDV/DVC/DVCPro) is HIGHLY compressed.

3rd Parties need to get OS X solutions out quick, the alternatives are already there with uncompressed digital machines on multi-processor NT boxes today!

Apple needs to be throwing money at them to get these out the door!

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spending the Money anyway

I WILL be Purchasing it as well as installing it on my Pismo. I have had the public beta installed and it was able to sleep then so I think C/Net is full of SH*T anyway DVD support I can wait for not that important yet. I'm glad to see that they are going to be on time for the release. That pleases me more. Also everyone is forgeting this is only 1.0 there is bound to be some things that will not be resolved. most people I know don;t buy software numbered 1.0 so it shouldn't matter. Anyway. I can't wait.

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FUD

But then Steve hasn't written Cocoa, expected 10k users to fork over for the PB, instead of the 100k that did. He needs to stick to Toy Story 2.

Maybe C|net would lose ad dollars if they don't toute XP as an "improved" OS X.

No elephants and circus at the Cupertino campus?

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I'm Really Bummed

I had heard a few weeks ago from a friend who works at Apple "not to expect a whole lot of fanfare" when X is released on March 24. From a marketing perspective, I think this is just pure stupidity. If they DON'T make a big splash when it comes out, WHEN ARE THEY?

Does Apple really think the media is going to care if Apple WAITS a few months, then turns around and acts like it JUST CAME OUT and that it's BRAND NEW? That's just dumb. The media will reply, "didn't this come out back in March? What's the big deal?"

Apple is missing a big opportunity. They need to be BIG in their OS X efforts right now. Gates is out criss crossing the country touting beta builds of XP like it's the best thing since sliced bread, and what is Apple doing? Releasing OS X without a peep. That's shameful.

I think the picture is clearer now why Apple is waiting until July to bundle OS X with their machines, 'cause they're going to continue squashing bugs between March and May before it ends up on every machine sold. I didn't think of that before, but that's clearly the reason. This excuse of "most applications won't be out til then" just seems wrong to me.

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not so

From someone who has tested some of the latest builds I can say that many of the points made in the above article just arnt correct... His 'sources' probably have a PB copy and an active imagination...

I still havent seen a DVD (or an audio) player in recent builds but thats because (in my opinion) Apple probably have these apps seperate from the latest builds and we will not see them until 1.0 is out on March 24th.

As far as speed is concerned the latest builds are a MAJOR increase over PB, the person who made a note before about slowdown, ITS MUCH FASTER NOW! :) Classic of course does slow things down which will be a problem until major apps from Adobe, Macromedia etc are released, but they may be out sooner than we think.

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DV vs. Beta

Ok, DigiBeta is much better than MiniDV... HOWEVER, Apple has really NEVER offered decent analog video inputs for Beta, certainly not in recent time - so what's this guy freaking talking about? Secondly - DVCam from Sony offeres IEEE1394/firewire ports (as does most miniDv - sorry Panasonic to my knowledge still hasn't been able to figure it out so it works correctly - they still suck)... DVCam, let me tell you, looks DAMN fine... And as for Avid, we all know they really just don't like Apple - even though Apple is how they were born. Beta should be transitioned out in way of Digital... Who still uses U-matic?

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NVidia & Athlon

http://www.ugeek.com/procspec/procmain.htm

[quote]GeForce3 optimized for AMD and Intel - I found it quite amusing ... it certainly legitimizes AMD's Athlon over the fiasco where GeForce cards weren't tested properly with Athlon chipsets when the Athlon was released. That caused problematic ripples for months that are probably still being felt by some. (posted 3:00pm EST) [/quote]

Hey C|net: where are you on this?

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If Apple waited...

If Apple delayed release again to add DVD playback, they'd get hammered in the press.

Many application developers are waiting until official release to finalize and release their OS X-compatible versions.

At some point, you just have to draw a line in the sand and release it.

I don't expect the first 6 months to be very smooth, but I think Apple is doing the right thing by getting it out there.

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DVD Authors NEED OSX

But without DVD support the titles cannot be tested.
I was waiting for OSX for Final Cut and DVD S.Pro, but Now, I didn't buy the Beta beacuse it didn't support FireWire
(Apple thought, that it wasn't important...)
We professionals don't want a new OS to play games, just a uncrashable productive System
what is the point in announcing before the bread is cooked?
I'm still waiting my PowerBook G4 since January.
so OS X sold unbaked wouldn't surprise me..

Apple pisses me off sometimes

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DigiBeta IS compressed2:1

just to clear a point.

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Productive w/OSX? Not yet

I've used the PB on my iMac and I have to say that other than the "cool" factor of the interface, I don't see any current benefits using it full time. Now before you tell me it's just a PB, you can't tell me the first release will differ too much. Sure, at some point a few years from now, Adobe and their ilk will only produce software upgrades that are for OSX, but until then, the benefits won't outweigh the defficiencies.

Some day, OSX will be all that the potential promises, with rock solid stability, blazing speed, and boat loads of software. Until Apple really does a better job of screaming it's benefits and improvements, most people will look but not buy. And we'll all have to see what Adobe and Microsoft charges to have OSX-ready versions. And will those versions offer any real improvements over the Classic versions?

Apple will be missing the boat by being quiet with the release. When they are ready to really promote it, most of the media will yawn or rehash the fact that the initial version was not ready for prime time.

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No softwre marketers here

It's clear that y'all aren't software marketers. For a 1.0 release you have to pick your poision: you can be buggy and on time or late and slightly less buggy. The safer route is on time. Even if it means sacrificing features and bug fixes. I assume they won't allow any show-stoppers to ship (knowingly).

Then comes 1.1, then 1.12, etc. Many versions will provide a long upgrade path. And Apple will try to pick the time when they can make the most hay about the message which will resonate best with the most people. I imagine it will be about the time Adobe comes out with Carbonized apps (which will be 1.0 themselves, sadly).

It is impossible to target home users. We're all too scattered. Too broad. So Apple hit developers with the Public Beta, then comes Creative. Then Education. Home users/hobbyists will follow organically, by responding to the general messages all along the way. And Apple will save the fanfare until they have something significant to crow about for all segments.

Unlike Microsoft, Apple doesn't have 90% marketshare, nor a bottomless marketing budget to sell what isn't ready. They'll wait until the smoke has cleared from the 1.0 release, and then give it all plenty of attention.

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Firewire

Public beta does support firewire, my hd's just mounts fine without any additional software.

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Re: Productive

And we'll all have to see what Adobe and Microsoft charges to have OSX-ready versions. And will those versions offer any real improvements over the Classic versions?

Depends on what you mean by improvements. If you're talking about additional features on top of Carbonization, then maybe not (it depends on the company). However, any Carbonized app will be a vast improvement over the exact same non-Carbonized app because it will take full advantage* of the power of OS X. So that is an improvement all in itself.

*assuming it is rewritten to support the Carbon Event model; even if it's not, the performance/stability gains will be there but slightly lower than they would be if the app were 100% native)

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the real reason

The truth is that Apple's DVD software probably needed to be rewritten from scratch; look at all the complaints about it ever since v1.0 (especially with the software-rendering versions). I'd be willing to wait a little while if it meant that the release version was a vast improvement over the old software (no more skipping, stuttering, or sync issues).

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Yeah, sure.

All together now, say "NeXT."

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wtf?

They might as well call it "OS X Beta 2.0". I have a feeling that due to these shortcomings, X will be no more usable as my main OS than the beta was . . . its release should simply not have been announced so far in advance that Apple had no idea where exactly it would be in the product's development.

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MacOS X Public Beta $129

Will Steve give me another discount when the real OS X ships? I guess this is why they wont be loading it onto production units until the summer.

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As long as it works!

I don't really care about DVD since I hardly ever the patience to sit in front of my computer watch a movie. It's a noveltly at best and certainly not something that is going to stop me from upgrading.

For me, I want a Java virtual machine that doesn't crash constantly and isn't riddled with incompatibilities like the current version. I don't want a rogue application to take over my system, hog all the resources and then cause me to have to turn off the machine in order to regain functionaliy.

I *think* the features the initial release will lack, will more than be made up for by the gains. Or I hope so.

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OSX PB Sleep

Another reader said that he loves the fact that OS X takes less than 2 seconds to wake up. This is because it dosen't actually go to sleep. It will take the same amount of power as if it is awake.

That is why it is unsupported, and this is probably the problem that they are having: Making the

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OSX March "beta"

I do care about DVD, but more than that, I care about getting a product that is complete and let;s me continue my work and pleasure relationship with my computers. I think Apple had plenty of time to get this thing finished. Now they are publishing an unfnished product AND charge money for it, because their PR department thinks that they need to stick with the March deadline. (always worrying about the shareholders)

I think we mac users should give Apple a wake-up call by NOT ordering MacOSX this March. I will wait until the summer, if necessary. I don't want a patchwork of incompleted functions.

Apple seems to think that they can do whatever they want these days. I think that is wrong. All the wonderful innovation doesn't excuse bad business practices.

Look at OS9.1 and what the havoc they created by silently changing color codes for GIFS, completely switching code so that Adobe + Macromedia Programs now need to rewrite theirs, so that GIF's will look normal again. What kind of business practice is that? They didn't even warn people about those rather substantial changes.

Good luck with OSX.

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OS X Premier Release

Steve Jobs is a marketing genius.
3 1/2 years after they (Amelio, Jobs and Apple) promised Rhapsody Premier Release, they're going to deliver a piece of software for early adopters, practically without any important third party software. So everybody has to wait until "Consumer Release" will be released in summer - or let's say autumn or winter. And still - there's no Adobe software announced (besides Acrobat) supporting Mac OS X.

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1 year away

OS X is at leat a year away from being ready as a full replacement for OS 9. From all the apps that need to be carbonized (did ya know Palm Syncing on X won't be avail. till 2002!? Believe it) and all the initial "issues" that'll need to be worked out, it'll need at least that long. I can't imagine why people would want to run the majority of their apps in Classic mode knowing they'll be slower and with the high probability of compatibility issues. This is the most critical shift within Apple, ever. It could lead to a new level of respect for them and new customers ... or could suck them into the black hole of has beens. I hope they make it. But I just cancelled my orders for X; I refuse to pay for beta software again. I'm no longer a sucker for Apple like I used to be. I will be placing an order for some Windows 2000 PeeCees though; THAT is a stable OS with lots of Apps to run on!

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OS-X , Y Z

Anyone perturbed about Apple putting out the retail version of OS-X with known issues and unresolved software should keep it in perspective. How many millions of lines of code can dance on the head of a 300 Mb system folder , anyway ? OS-X will mature nicely..it has to. In the meantime, I remind you that when Windows 2000 was released , it was done so with full knowledge that it had over 64,000 known BUGS ( if you believe the insider wags...I'm skeptical..maybe 30,000 or so would be a more reasonable figure...).

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DV, Beta, etc...

The whole DV vs. Betacam SP vs. Digital Betacam thing is sorta silly.

First generation DV and BetaSP tapes are roughly the same. In the end, the biggest difference comes from the camera used to shoot the stuff in the first place. (In which case, BetaSP comes out looking better a lot of the time because there are only pro level cameras that use BetaSP.)

DV (and it's variants DVCAM, DVCPRO) use the same compression and offer really good looking video. The signal is compressesed to 4:1:1 in NTSC. It get's messy comparing an analog format to a digital one because there is no compression in analog. It's analog, what is there to comperess?!

DigiBeta is different. It is digital, it uses a 4:2:2 signal compression scheme and I think it has a compression ration of 2:1. It is better for keying, and composite work. But it also costs a lot more!

There are other formats (digital and analog) out there and the new high-def ones (HDCAM, DVCPRO HD) put them all to shame.

A lot of video pros are really bias in favor of BetaSP because they still have large investment in that equipment. DV is cool because you get the same results, digitaly and for less.

I know, this is off topic. But some of the things people are saying here about this stuff is crasy. As an editor, I watched DV roll out and all this stuff was said. That's over, let BetaSP rest in peace. (But still keep your decks, as there's stuff still on those tapes...) Choose your format based on your needs and budget. DV is now the lowest common denominator.

Oh and no matter what way you look at it, Apple is releasing a new OS. For pros to use anything more than DV, we'll have to wait for Avid, Media 100, Targa, Digital Vodoo et al to get there stuff in gear. All Apple can do is actually ship a API complete OS and get exposure. The rest will come with time. (I'd like to see FCP 2 running on OS X at NAB, we'll see...)

~Mr. Jelly
(Let's not get into Betacam SX, and D1, D2, etc. That will just confuse every one.)

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Who's going to use X?

Is anyone NOT going to use OS X when it first comes out and wait for updates?

I'll probably use it on my home Mac after a couple of weeks, but I don't think we'll use it at my office for quite some time.

Any thoughts?

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Yeah, because Win 95 was

soooo great and bug free and 100% compatible with everything!

However, Apple still has the best Ease Of Use of any computer, and THAT is what they have to live up to.

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Did W2K play DVD's?

I'm not sure on this, but were there ANY DVD players for Windows 2000 professional out when it was first shipped? I don't think there were, because I know a few people who wanted to upgrade, but then couldn't because there weren't any DVD players available. Even if there were, they certainly weren't built into the OS, and you'd have to go out and plunk down an extra $50 to buy one.

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The worst part

... of all of this is that the media will have a great time ripping OS X and Apple apart. This is simply not something that Apple should do. They cannot ship an unfinished OS X. This really is the thing that Apple has been betting on, and it better damn well work as its supposed to, otherwise, it could simply be the end. I'd much rather that i have OS X a little bit later and have it work 100% and have the media eat it than this.

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OSX PB != OSX 1.0

"no Adobe software announced.."
Does NOT mean there aren't developers developing it.

"I care about getting a product that is complete"
Name 1 software product that is "complete."

When doing developing, you have to draw the line somewhere. You can sit there for days, months, years delaying something because you want to make it better. If everyone was a developer that's what would happen. Fortunately there are stockholders, marketing people, press, and Steve that everyone has to appeal to. It's not all cut and dry as everyone is making it out to be.

P.S. I've played "The Matrix" once and watched it for 1/2 an hour on my Pismo before the novelty wore off and I took the DVD and watched it on my 27" TV along with my Sony DTS receiver in my 5.1 surround sound system. The neighboors didn't like it at all :)

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Speed is most important

This biggest issue for me, that will make me decide whether or not I use OS X is SPEED. If it seems any slower than OS 9, I just won't use it. OS 9 rarely crashes on me and I have all the apps I need on it. If Mac OS X can run those apps at the same speed or better, that's great - if not then I won't use it.

That said, either way I may be jumping ship and switching to the dark side (PC running windows) because I want to play some games that just aren't available on Mac.

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Play with vs. use

As an IT professional, sure I will play with OS X 1.0 when it's released. Will I be using it full-time? No. Will I install it on my users' machines? No. Will I install it on my mom's iMac? No, not for probably a year (at least waiting until the summer version ships and all of our main apps are carbonized, maybe waiting until the version after the summer one ships, probably next January)...

Unless you are a developer, I don't see any reason to run OS X 1.0 full-time when it is released...

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What a load of bull

Some of the posters here are unbelievable whiners. Oh its going to be just another Beta, blah blah blah. Wake up you nobs. The OS is a step FORWARD that has not been undertaken on such a scale before.

Using some of the latest builds I am continually impressed at how much and to an amazing degree of quality Apple has managed to put into OSX. Yes it wont be perfect, Yes there will be upgrades to enhance the system, you should be grateful they will probably be completely free and you wont have to PAY for bug fixes like you constantly have to do with Windows (Win 98SE anyone?).

And if you are so concerned about lack of third part apps on launch you can 1: not buy OSX or 2: complain about said third parties, its there software they need to release, not Apple.

Apple have pissed me off from time to time, but OSX is probably the best thing Apple has given us since the G3/G4 and in a years time when you can have all your Third Party apps, I dont think we'll have to listen to you bitching that you miss the system crashes and want the slower apps of OS 9 again.

Geoff (who will be buying OSX on the 24th)

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No movies? Bah.

The OS is a step FORWARD that has not been
undertaken on such a scale before.

Sure it has, when Apple shipped the Public Beta last
September. You couldn't get anymore low key than that - OK,
maybe Apple won't even be advertising OS X on the Apple
Store on March 24th.

Also, when they say "DVD playback", they not only refer
to DVD movies, but possibly the ability to use the DVD
as a CD-ROM. If that capability is hindered in anyway,
Apple is better off swallowing the bitter pill and issuing
yet another postponement.

The lack of hardware drivers and support will be the killer
issue for most users. Imagine if OS X on March 24th does not
support the Sony CD-RW's shipping on current Macs? And I just
ordered my CD-RW Cube last month. Oh wait, Toast will be toast
and iTunes won't work, and Disc Burner won't work.

Damn. Gotta see if I can run LinuxPPC on the Cube - at least
I'll get CD-RW support and DVD playback via DeCSS.

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no...

I didn't buy the Beta beacuse it didn't support FireWire

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Sell Apple stock now...

Apple is presenting a difficult choice to its developers and users.

Given the current relatively incomplete state of the Carbon libraries, it is not easy for developers to produce software that is in a finished state. Only after it is possible to generate a Carbon-based application that runs at least as fast as a mature Mac OS 9.1/non-Carbon application can we expect developers to be enthusiastic about developing for Mac OS X. Only the old NeXTStep developers are currently able to deliver mature products for Mac OS X.

Faced with the prospect of jumping from Mac OS 9.x to a new operating system, users will probably increasingly be led to choose the operating system that has mature shipping applications and a vigorous developer community. Unfortunately, that operating system isn't Mac OS X; it is Windows 2000.

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Pull out of the nosedive!

The whole industry knows Apple is releasing their "groundbreaking new OS" on March 24th. The world is watching. YOU CANNOT QUIETLY RELEASE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. If things are not up to snuff upon its release on the 24th Apple will get its already raw flesh torn apart by the industry...and for that matter longtime users like me.

I'm tired of getting dicked around.

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Dual boot

I'm just going to have to dual boot :(
Firewire works, but you can't boot of of it yet

I;'m going to buy it whe it comes out, but I'm lucky I have a cable modem for the software updates.DVD player will probably be 10MB, same for disc burner. I feel sorry for dialup people.

Apple is forecasting that not everyone will buy OS X on march 24, that's why they're not bundling it with the hardware yet. Not only that, but it will be bundled with schools' mac later because they feel the upgrade will take a signifigant amount of time, and its always longer in schools.

BTW, can't we display 20 comments at a time? PLEASE?

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This is not a bid deal

So in a week or two, perhaps longer, we go online and download the newest A/V software from our iTools disks. Whatever. That's not a problem. It's not like they said OS X would never support DVD or something.

I think that it's great that Apple wants to devote all of their resources to making OS X a great OS prior to launch. Go Apple, Go!

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Dual boot

I'm just going to have to dual boot :(
Firewire works, but you can't boot of of it yet

I;'m going to buy it whe it comes out, but I'm lucky I have a cable modem for the software updates.DVD player will probably be 10MB, same for disc burner. I feel sorry for dialup people.

Apple is forecasting that not everyone will buy OS X on march 24, that's why they're not bundling it with the hardware yet. Not only that, but it will be bundled with schools' mac later because they feel the upgrade will take a signifigant amount of time, and its always longer in schools.

BTW, can't we display 20 comments at a time? PLEASE?

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Get a grip!

C'mon folks! You know that OS X ain't gonna be perfect when it gets released. This is always the case with any OS.

Frankly Apple did s**** this one up in a big way as to the release schedule and the public. They did it right before when they released the server version to the public. They could have done the same on the 24th by releasing a new server version. Anyone needing dvd and other true "non-OS" apps on a server OS is an idiot. That would have bought Apple some extra time to tie up a few loose issues.

I just can't help but wonder why there is not a 3rd party trying to capitalize on any of this. Surely someone could have had a decent alternative carbon or cocoa dvd player written by now. If folks were paying attention early on that there wasn't a player, they could right now be negotiating a license deal with Apple. Of course this could really be happening all behind the scenes. :)

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New apps

There have been some new apps like discburner, that Apple has just started to port over. This is a new OS from scratch, let them built it right the first time, so there will be NO whiners about stuff like PPPoe not in the OS. Apple's chance like this only comes around every so often.

Me, I want Apple to copy some ideas from windows, like logging out with Applications on hold until you log back in. Or locking your workstation with a password while you're away, but still keeping apps open.

Did I mention Windows lets you keep apps open?

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no...

I didn't buy the Beta beacuse it didn't support FireWire

OS X Beta support firewire just fine. It's as good as plug 'n play.

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Eye Candy

Shouldn't they have FINISHED the software before adding all the hype and eye candy. Seems like they jumped the gun adding all those "genie" effects when they should have taken that time and written some core functionality and got some bugs out first. Real artists ship as Jobs always says. I just wonder what kind of Art they can ship when they have put down the paint but haven't even stretched the canvas over the frame properly yet...

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agree

I agree with the previous poster, Apple could add in some nifty things, like VNC services, or setting up an OS X server that's a geek dream come true.

VNC, I think is the killer, if the OS supports it, I could have my computer at home Download files while I'm at work/school, like I'm doing now, or remote tech support would be a breeze. Yes, I sent that i as feedback for the PB.

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C Net wrote false on y2k

It was C Net that convinced me Apple would be the only one to fully support y2k. As a result I believed I should encourage my mother to get a Mac and not a PC, because I worried she would only get two months use out of the PC. Well surprise, surprise, even her Windows 95 machine worked, and Windows 98 machine without any y2k patches whatsoever. If you can't believe C Net on y2k, why should you believe them about their false reporting on X? Let's see what it actually has when it comes out.

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OS X will struggle

The flames are going to come pouring in on this one but this time you are going to see Apple struggle to keep the consumer and professional eye that they have the best OS. MS has been observing the development of Mac OS X for quite awhile and finally has a decent base to take it on head to head. Windows 95 and others were never truly ready to take on the Mac OS head to head. The internet is what pushed Win95 into the limelight and would have been a failure if not for the internet. Windows 2000 was the groundwork for the infrastructure and now Windows XP is the OS that will likely knock OS X off of it's perch. Note that it was just recently that MS made a 180 and revamped the interface.

Yes I know everyone has wrote these sort of stories for years. I can tell you though that the Mac OS X rollout is going to be the bumpiest ride ever for previous Mac users looking to upgrade and MS is going to be there to capitalize. This is a big reason why Apple is pushing on their own applications(idvd, itunes, etc) so that it offers more to keep those users.

Of course if Apple could beat MS to the punch with a standard voice recognition system as part of the OS, that would go a long way toward keeping folks and pulling in new ones. I still think MS is waiting for Apple to do this for two reasons:

1. Apple will do it right and they'll look to copy that.

2. If MS does it first, look for MS to be investigated even further by the government.

Think about it.

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X

I've been waiting for OS X to get a new Power Mac. On the 24th I'll order a dual 533 w/ a GeForce3. OS X will be my main environment. Classic Photoshop will on this system will still blow away my current 7500/150. It will be so nice to be able to leave a ton of apps open for days on end.

I trust Apple to release 10.0 with support for most everything they sell (except DVD, but who cares) including the Sony CD-Rs. Basically all the big stuff missing from PB (AirPort, FireWire, printers, etc) will be in 10.0. The only thing I'll need to boot back to 9 for is my Umax scanner, and that's Umax's fault, not really Apple's.

"users will probably increasingly be led to choose the operating system that has mature shipping applications and a vigorous developer community. Unfortunately, that operating system isn't Mac OS X; it is Windows 2000."
Then why is anyone using Mac OS now?

As many people as possible need to buy the 10.0 release to get the ball rolling. The more people buy it, the sooner we'll get our apps. Of course in some situations it's not really possible for peple to use a new operating system, and that's to be expected. The same people who are saying "I won't install X on my mission-critical systems" are probably the same people who didn't install 9 on them until it had been out for six months (like me).

I think the press and users will make a big deal about the 10.0 release for Apple, then they can promote a polished 10.1 or whatever when they put it on machines in July.

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Windows XP

For those who don't know Windows XP will have remote management builtin. Right now Mac OS X is not going to have much to sell over Windows. Again this is why Apple is pushing on their own apps that hopefully will stand out from the crowd. They really need to consider purchasing a software company. I've always thought Apple and Adobe would be a great marriage but I don't see that happening anytime soon. That just doesn't look to be Steve Jobs style.

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Whiners & Others

There is a lot of carrying on about articles for which we have no official verification.

1. Beta vs. Digital: If digital is so much worse than analog, then why is it now replacing film in feature films. The Blair Witch Project and Spike Lee's Bamboozled were shot on digital tape.

2. It isn't finished: Sounds to me like those people who never bought a color TV because it "isn't perfected yet." The fact is that technology never gets "perfected." When I bought my first Mac, it ran System 6.0.4. My current Mac runs MacOS 9.1. My next Mac will run MacOS X. Should I have waited until the MacOS was "perfected"?

3. The Price of MacOS X PB2: Apple charged us for MacOS 9. MacOS 9.0.4 was a free upgrade. MacOS 9.1 was also a free upgrade. There have been incremental upgrades of components of the OS at no charge. Consider QuickTime Pro. If you paid for QuickTime Pro 3.0, the latest version is a free upgrade. Do you honestly expect expect Apple to change its upgrade policy?

For all you whiners, I suggest that when lives go on sale at Wal-Mart, get one!

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OS X

Yes, but will we also have to pay for puma? Or will there be updates to download for free to registered users?

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well...

...Damn. Gotta see if I can run LinuxPPC on the Cube - at least
I'll get CD-RW support and DVD playback via DeCSS.

well, I'm not that upset about DVD playback since I always choose to play DVD on a TV screen, what's the point to watch a DVD movie on a small screen and without good sound system.

And I think the update for OS X is going to be a kernal update, It's not going to be like what we're doing with our Classic OS right now. There's no need to see it as a patch or something, it's not.

The latest Linux update (kernal 2.4) a few weeks ago is a version finally fully support USB and Firewire. Think about that. How long did Linux been around and trying to capture the market.

So don't be too disappointed about something like that in OS X. From my point of view, Apple is doing great. If you ever use any variation of unix, you know how ugly it actually is. I don't mean visual, I mean the ugliness of the user experience. From installation to file managment, to getting information about your computer... Apple make it seems so easy, so much like the simple Classic OS but in fact much more powerful in every aspects. Basically, you don't know your using something so complicated.

Mac user, from my perspective have been spoiled by Apple's easy to use for too long. That mentality of "suppose to be" let make the criticism sometimes really unfair. Like Apple not suppose to charge on system upgrades, suppose to give discount to owners of previous systems, suppose Apple "should" do all the works exactly what you used to. Apple will be damned because of this.

I think we should give credits to what they didn't brag about. You got to know right now, OS 9 NEVER use half of the power of PowerPC chip, and OS 9 is not going to be able to do so even it going on. Classic is already to the end of it's life in terms of power and future scalability. This is where OS X fit in, the ability to exploit the technologies out there.

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ARTICLE= BULL BUTTER!

Well, sleep worked fine on my pismo in Public Beta, and works fine in 4K60, so ...WTF are they talking about?

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Rothenberg = Dumb a**

Mathew Rothenberg who co-wrote the article is lead editor at ZDNet. His reporting is based on speculation with black shadows that reflects alot on his reporters but mainly in the Mac arena. I fired a nasty email to him but it won't change. Consider Matt as a reporter from National Enquirer and you will be better off.

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Mac OS X can NEVER crash

... because everyone TAKES IT AS A GIVEN that it will be 100% stable - what happens if it's not? There will be zero -absolutely zero - tolerance of crashes in OS X. Otherwise what's the point of it? I have no easy answers for Apple - that's Jobs' job - but i can tell them that above all else OS X must be ROCK ... SOLID..... STABLE. No lack of applications or DVD playing or anything will do as much harm as any system crashes in OS X. Make it stable above all else, at the expense of all else ...

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There's only one road!!

And that's OSX!
You can Whine about is but the when comparing the Mac to Windows the updates have been available much faster on the Mac platform than on the Windows platform.
Why do you think the Pentium4 debacle came from?
Because all those Windows programmers are still using 386 code today :-)
It took HP more than 4 months to write new printer drivers for W2K!
It takes at least 6 months to make a nice working system out of OSX and that's about the same amount of time to get used to the new system.
All those double clickers are getting a hard time on X.
Yes , whine now but you'll whine harder in one year when Apple stops updating the old OS9.x.x .
It takes at least a year for the change to OSX and by then we'll have DVD playback for a long time!
We Mac users know what we can expect from Apple, Look at the transition from 68K to PPC and from system 7 to system 9!
It wasn't always clean but it worked all the time!
Next year I'm X only and in two years Wintel is exit from our company!!!!

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c|net set up us the bomb

You know what you doing.

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Opinion and a question.

I have to say I am disappointed at the fact that the OS isn't going to be "finished" in many people's eyes and that they won't be trumpetting it's release but I guess it's probably par for the course. It's odd how many people see OSX as the final chance for Apple and act like it can't be updated, but I think it's just the start and will finally come good. Personally if OSX could run Entourage, Office, a decent browser, fax server/client software and Now up-to date & Contact, I'd be OK but it looks like I'll be dual booting for a while. I think Windows XP will show it's true colours in time and OSX will do so too - I mean OSX is pure class compared to XP's Fisher Price look.

Anyway, my question is one that nobody has yet answered: I have the PB, and Classic apps could not use my dial up connection at all - They were isolated (I tried everything). 1. Did anyone here get classic dial up networking to work successfully (ie could Entourage in Classic use the connection initiated by OSX)? 2. If so how? 3. Is this expected to be supported in OSX? If I have to use that awful "Port Reflector" I'll just go mad.

I hope OSX does well - I think we need to give it some time. As for those who are struggling to see what point there is in upgrading, perhaps you don't consider rock solid stability and speed a number one priority but it's high on my list. I was impressed with PB and will enjoy the "An application has unexpectedly quit. No other applications are affected" diaolgue box far more than "An Application has unexpectedly quit" and the requisite restart. What about Bombs? God I can't wait to see the back of that s***.

Please give OSX time before you slag it off - It's a long road but I think it's going somewehre very cool indeed.

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Gimme a break

Hey guys, will U EVER stop complaining???!!!
Sheesh, Haven't u realized by now that a fuill operating system is something that constantly evolves? HAve U EVER seen ANY full sytsem that works with everything on the first release? I received OS X DR 3 & 4, paid for the beta and I will gladly pay to have my OS X as soon as it is svailable. And then, I'll update if I need to.
Don't U think it's hight time to show a bit your faith and support ? You're depressing, always complaining...
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Never crash?

All computers crash (OK, a computer that's turned off doesn't, but it isn't much good to you). All software crashes. All OSes crash. Some more than others. Its all about what's running on it and how stable it is. Usually you hear how servers never crash. Well, they're not supposed to. But they also have just the minimum installed, so less conflicting software and less headaches. Before the owners put them up for real world test, they make sure everything is OK. You got a bad driver or a flaky card, replace it. You either spend it now or lose it later.

Normal users don't have this mentality or luxury. Plus, they need more software. And software has bugs (even Linux software, regardless what their evangilists say). To say that user's will flock away from OS X because of a crash is insane (cars crash all the time, but people still buy them).

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DVD a killer?

I still don't understand how it's sort of OK that Photoshop not being carbon is kind of OK, but lack of DVD playback is the straw that broke the camel's proverbial hump?

And why is it a shock that running OS 9 on top of OS X makes it slower than running OS 9 by itself? On Windows, running a Windows 3.1 program on Windows NT was slower. Running 32-bit programs in 64-bit windows will be slower. Its the nature of change.

Finally, to the guy talking about no other transition losing functionality, I'd like to point out that the move to the PowerPC lost FPU support for older programs (so they wouldn't work at all without an upgrade), and moving to newer versions of the OS continually loses support for older hardware (like the LaserWriter 300 - or something like that - that Apple no longer provided drivers for several years ago).

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Thoughts

One poster choked this out:

"Mac user, from my perspective have been spoiled by Apple's easy to use for too long. That mentality of "suppose to be" let make the criticism sometimes really unfair. Like Apple not suppose to charge on system upgrades, suppose to give discount to owners of previous systems, suppose Apple "should" do all the works exactly what you used to. Apple will be damned because of this."

And I have to ask: so since we've been so terribly spoiled that now we should just bend over and take 'what we've had coming?' Go to h***. People use Macs because it's generally a better experience than using wintel machines and OS's.

I'm going to so thoroughly happy to download many megs worth of updates to the US$130 OS X I bought. I'm in a large city that still has only limited cable modem coverage and DSL prices that are through the roof. Needless to say I still have an analog modem and connect at 26.4-28.8 at the fastest.

I'm sure Apple will be ready to sell update CD's! Woohoo! (this is assuming they don't decide to offer the update only as a CD to be bought with no web downloads)

And on different note another reader said this:

"It takes at least 6 months to make a nice working system out of OSX and that's about the same amount of time to get used to the new system.
All those double clickers are getting a hard time on X.
Yes , whine now but you'll whine harder in one year when Apple stops updating the old OS9.x.x .
It takes at least a year for the change to OSX and by then we'll have DVD playback for a long time!"

I agree. We may as well get used to it because X is where we're going if we stick with Apple. I know it'll personally take me quite a bit of time to feel like I'm not far less productive. This feeling caused me to wipe the Public Beta off of my system when I was booted more often than not into 9.

I just keep telling myself that the stability and features will pay off in the long haul (the features new with X...I still have a hard time getting over the features and usability that X takes away...ugh) and I believe that that'll be true in time.

And back to the predicted problems with the first release. I'm tired of folks saying that DVD playback is insignificant or useless. I use my computer with 17" studio display as my DVD player. It looks beautiful and with my Monsoon 1000's it sounds superb. Much better than what the much larger TV in the other room offers. I actually have a TV tuner for my tower and so my system doubles as my television and dvd system. I know that I'm not the only one (I've talked to a lot of people that watch movies on their desktop Macs and portables). Apple has all but phased out DVD from their current lineup and I don't think it's a good idea.

So to the vocal minority that slags DVD playback, there are plenty of others out here who love the featur

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Updates????

Bandwidth limitations notwithstanding, I have never understood why Apple sold PB, and never used the software update functionality. Comparing the dev cycle of X from PB forward with the open source world, it seems to me they would be much further along now than they are. They would have better moral in the user community as well. I fully expected to see many updates as it matured toward the full release, and eventually see an expiration date if I didn't buy the release version. They made such a big deal about Darwin being open source, and the core of X, but they have not seemed to learn a single lesson from the open source world :-( As has been said here before, I am an IT pro, and X will likely be nothing more than a curiosity for at least another year (as much as I want it on my desktop/backup server).

Speaking of servers, Dantz told me at Macworld that since Apple was not planning any sort of "driver kit" for OSX there would be no Retrospect for OSX. Apple has apparently backpeddled after a public outcry, but who knows how long it will be before this is addressed?

I also found that very few vendors were willing to talk about upgrade costs for carbonized or native versions of their products, even though they claim to be developing them. Are you prepared to pay on the order of 50% of the current upgrade cost just to have a carbonized version of your current software suite with no feature enhancements? I know someone has to pay for development, but I know in my organization it will be a hard sell.

In summary I think Apple has a lot more to worry about than DVD playback!

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FUD

This article has to be one of the most spectacular successes of FUD that I've ever seen! The Public Beta isn't as bad as these guys claim the Final Release will be. If the authors are following this discussion, they're laughing their butts off.

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Be reasonable

I'm creating a simple database for someone that is only a few weeks worth of work, but I'm still trying to decide if I should include somethings or just to do it a little simpler and then to come back and do it correctly the next time. It's a simple database, and I've made several decisions to drop stuff for inclusion in version 2. I think that this is just of the process and this is a big transision for Apple and their customers, so I don't think that there is really any news here. It's not going to be perfect out the door. It will be much better as the years roll on.

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Be reasonable

I'm creating a simple database for someone that is only a few weeks worth of work, but I'm still trying to decide if I should include somethings or just to do it a little simpler and then to come back and do it correctly the next time. It's a simple database, and I've made several decisions to drop stuff for inclusion in version 2. I think that this is just of the process and this is a big transision for Apple and their customers, so I don't think that there is really any news here. It's not going to be perfect out the door. It will be much better as the years roll on.

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Updates????

Bandwidth limitations notwithstanding, I have never understood why Apple sold PB, and never used the software update functionality. Comparing the dev cycle of X from PB forward with the open source world, it seems to me they would be much further along now than they are. They would have better moral in the user community as well. I fully expected to see many updates as it matured toward the full release, and eventually see an expiration date if I didn't buy the release version. They made such a big deal about Darwin being open source, and the core of X, but they have not seemed to learn a single lesson from the open source world :-( As has been said here before, I am an IT pro, and X will likely be nothing more than a curiosity for at least another year (as much as I want it on my desktop/backup server).

Speaking of servers, Dantz told me at Macworld that since Apple was not planning any sort of "driver kit" for OSX there would be no Retrospect for OSX. Apple has apparently backpeddled after a public outcry, but who knows how long it will be before this is addressed?

I also found that very few vendors were willing to talk about upgrade costs for carbonized or native versions of their products, even though they claim to be developing them. Are you prepared to pay on the order of 50% of the current upgrade cost just to have a carbonized version of your current software suite with no feature enhancements? I know someone has to pay for development, but I know in my organization it will be a hard sell.

In summary I think Apple has a lot more to worry about than DVD playback!

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Bottom line is...

Yes, MacOS X 1.0 will be at best a beta when it ships. Those who think otherwise are obviously not developers in the know, they're just blind cult followers who spend their afternoons tweaking OS skins. The truth is, MacOS X 1.0 Beta should have been called MacOS X 1.0 Alpha and MacOS X 1.0 should be called MacOS X 1.0 Beta. It's just a simple matter of correct wording.

Besides that, all will be fine. Shipping on March 24 will certainly help Apple finally get tons of bug reports, fix things, and add more necessary features. The true final release of MacOS X **1.0** should appear in the summer or fall. At any rate, no OS is ever completely final.

Those posters who say "who cares about DVD support?" have a very selfcentered view of the world. I, for one, absolutely want DVD support. That is one of the reasons why I bought a Titanium. Do you think that Microsoft XP will ship without DVD support? Come on, it was bad enough that Apple worried about CD/RW only in late 2000...

MacOS X 1.0 as it will ship on March 24 is what I call a developer release. Do not expect many end users to install it, and that is fine with me. I would rather have them install it in 6 months, when great products have been developed for Mac OS X, bugs have been fixed, and so on. So unless you are an early adopter or developer, stick with Mac OS 9 until the summer. Don't waste your time...

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good review?

Check this out:
Another CNet article

It is another article on CNet, a headline article at www.cnet.com (their "main" site) instead of www.news.com (their techie news site). It talks about the geek-factor of OS X, basically the BSD/Darwin core.

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Another Beta

At full price! I'm glad that OS 9.1 is a stable OS that will continued productive activity for me.

How far back will this push 3rd party software development?? By the time OS X gets going, it will be "X" years old!

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FUD from readers...

Apple was not planning any sort of "driver kit" for OSX there would be no Retrospect for OSX. Apple has apparently backpeddled after a public outcry, but who knows how long it will be before this is addressed?

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Shouldn't be full price!

Apple has said X will be ready by the 24th. Everyone knows this. They're going to look like idiots when they quietly release X. Absolute morons. They already do, but it'll be highlighted on the 24th. The fact that this non-feature-complete beta will be not only released as a final version and that it will cost the full, hefty price is absurd.

The "great job apple" garbage is wearing thin too. I'm sorry but with my background with these things the pace that Apple is moving with X is nothing to be proud of.

Apple banks on technicalities and mystery. They keep the average Joe blind to what's really going on and collect the dough from the confused or oblivious. It's poor business practice that borders in illegality and while the big boys like microsoft do the same Apple can't afford to s**** us over as badly or worse if they ever hope to be anything other than the barely breathing niche player they are.

Flame away, zealots.

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pro vs. consumers

I think most pro users will adopt because they don't make much use out of things like iTunes or DVD playback. I won't install it until summer because I live in a dorm and use those things constantly. It just goes back to Apple's focus this year which has been pro customers. I mean, they got the Ti and consumers got...Flower Power?

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Just wrong

Bandwidth limitations notwithstanding, I have never understood why Apple sold PB, and never used the
software update functionality.

Apple does not want everyone and their grandmother running the Public Beta, because it is not intended to be a production OS. By creating a small barrier to entry, they insure that only people who want it enough to pay (either in money to Apple or in time to get it off Hotline) will use it. Apple does not need to waste resources providing support for a beta product to inexperienced users.

They made such a big deal about Darwin being open
source, and the core of X, but they have not seemed to learn a single lesson from the open source world :-(

Check out the Darwin mailing lists sometime. Apple engineers are very active in the open source community, and external developers have provided many bug fixes and enhancements.

Speaking of servers, Dantz told me at Macworld that since Apple was not planning any sort of "driver kit" for
OSX there would be no Retrospect for OSX. Apple has apparently backpeddled after a public outcry, but who
knows how long it will be before this is addressed?

Pardon my language, but this is a load of c***. Mac OS X has had the IOKit framework for writing drivers for months now. You really think Apple would release on OS for which you couldn't write backup software?

Are you prepared to pay on the order of 50%
of the current upgrade cost just to have a carbonized version of your current software suite with no feature
enhancements?

A legitimate concern, but the market should take care of that. If enough users balk at high prices for minor upgrades, the prices will come down. I definitely think it would be a good idea for Apple to strongly encourage developers to make Carbon updates free or inexpensive.

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Windows

Do you think that Microsoft XP will ship without DVD support? Come on, it was bad enough that Apple worried about CD/RW only in late 2000...

Hey, you can't compare Apple to MS. When we were ordering our Windows 2000 machines for work, we couldn't get DVD drives (as they weren't supported). NT never supported USB (at least they tried to hack it into win95). And XP isn't out yet either, so who's kidding who.

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Sources...

This is another example of journalism that truly disturbs me. I have seen other articles on C-NET that have contained clearly erroneous material given as "news." I personally would never believe anything that you read on C-NET. They do not name any sources and their claims are vague, yet it is a news story. If I wanted to read this type of rumormongering, I would go to a computer rumors site. I feel ashamed that I even looked at this article. Do me a favor. If you look at this article or any other C-NET article, do NOT click on any ads. If nobody clicks any of their ads, they might go out of business... well we can hope.

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FREE UPGRADE...!

If they hjave these "problems", though minor, maybe they should offer a FREE upgrade for those who purchased v1.0?

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M$

At least OS X 1.0 won't have the rumored 63,000 KNOWN bugs Windows� 2000 had when it came out!!!

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Free new version on CD.

I'm not able to download huge updates. I buy the damned $129 OS then Apple had better ship me a real release version when it comes out at MWNY. I shouldn't have to wait till later or "just not buy it." Apple throws up these smokescreens and I can't even imagine what the average users must think of this garbage. We're in the minority browsing around on the Mac-web and posting, most folks don't even know they'll be ordering a garbage beta release in 1.0. This is all assuming it's true of course. But the other info I've read on numerous other sites leading up to this points to it being true.

Apple, stop sodomizing your loyal customers!

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CNET

CNET headline for march 24th: Struggling Apple Computer Quietly releases OS X: Looks like Windows XP"

"Too little; too late" says LINUX advocate Richard Stallem

"We love the Mac; we'll support struggling Apple Computer any way we can" says a Microsoft spokesman.

An unnamed industry was quoted:" This won't gain traction. People just don't like Blue Dalmation. And Apple still hasn't leveraged a PDA to their out-of-the box experience."

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Article is Accurate

Sorry to all the Kool Aid drinkers out there, but if recent builds of X are any indication this article is actually pretty accurate.

The sleep features they are talking about relate to the "deep sleep" induced by OS 9 which, regardless of what folks thinks, is *not* present in X Beta. Try putting your laptop to sleep in X and see how long your battery lasts.

And the video card MP support is does *not* refer to CPU MP, but video card optimizations which are not yet fully completed in X.

And to all those who think DVD playback is not important, you'd better hope they are not talking about basic DVD drive support, b/c if X does not support DVDROM drives all the Titanium and G4/733 owners are going to be SOL.

If they're releasing several OS updates/day, Apple is undoubtedly working night and day on X. It's just really, reallly unfortunate that Jobs underestimated the time that it would take to complete X and have the major apps running on X.

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Disinformation

For all we know, this could be part of a new campaign to discredit OS X and make Win XP look even better, so that even if OS X did come out with most of the features people have been looking for, enough people will be biased enough not to upgrade to OS X for many more years.

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Re: No movies? Bah.

"Also, when they say "DVD playback", they not only refer
to DVD movies, but possibly the ability to use the DVD
as a CD-ROM. If that capability is hindered in anyway,
Apple is better off swallowing the bitter pill and issuing
yet another postponement."

That would be somewhat startling...CDs already play fine under OS X beta.

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inf for the someone

this person said this,
yes there are problems just not what they are talking about
1) It is very easy to bog the UI down to the point where it is unusable. try opening 30+ 1MB graphics files then minize them all

2) Finder does not do true multitasking. In many instances I get the spinning disk in the finder, thus rendering the computer almost useless.

3) other than networking throughput. OSX is slower than OS9 at everything. booting up, loading applications, loading files, copying files.
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yer full of it cus this is the pub beta yer talking about. it has debugging in, and is not optimized, so of course it is slower in everything then OS9. the final version should be faster.

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Bell Curve, anyone?

I seem to recall steve jobs demonstrating how software for OS X would come out in a bell-curve starting in the spring with almost nothing, a deluge in summer, and tricklers from there on in. So how is any of this something we weren't warned of? If I was Apple, I'd want to start pushing OS X at the peak of the curve, not the bottom...

But the most important reason to ship OS X on the 24th is so that developers have something solid to work with. Until OS X is a final release, developers have a moving target, and it's hard to rework your program for each build you get. That bell curve Apple talks about won't start until OS X ships, and so the sooner that the fully operational OS X ships, the better.

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System 7? Who'd buy that

I can tell you though that the Mac OS X rollout is going to be
the bumpiest ride ever for previous Mac users looking to
upgrade and MS is going to be there to capitalize. This is a
big reason why Apple is pushing on their own
applications(idvd, itunes, etc) so that it offers more to keep
those users.

To the fellow who said the above: Why would MS care to capitalize on a the 6-8% of the Mac market, when they know that most Mac users wouldn't touch a Wintel machine if their lives depended on it? MS is much more worried about Linux, which is free and can run big-old servers. MS makes no money off of Linux, but they pull just about the same profit from Mac users (Office 2001, anyone?).

Let's face it: Apple does stupid things from time-to-time, and then eventually fixes them. The transition from System 6 to 7 was a debacle when it came to home users, and the PowerPC transition was crazy for service bureaus because we had to keep some older machines to run the software that hadn't been upgraded and couldn't run on the 601s. But these things were magnificent in hindsight.

Apple is one of the only computer manufacturers with cojones (that's balls for those who don't speak Spanglish). The company that put CDs right inside your machine was the same company that wouldn't put CD-RWs. The puck is a distant nightmare, but boy is that new optical mouse sweet! OSX will be buggy at first. It won't do a lot of things it should, people will complain, and eventually even the dock will be off by default.

Relax.

This isn't the end of Apple. It isn't the end of complaining users. It's just another way that Apple shakes up the complacent and gives the rest of us fond memories of the way-back-when.

--MacPhoenix

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Wait if you have to

Look, if you want to wait until July before purchasing OS X, by all means do so. Sure, it would be great if Apple had all the DVD work ironed out before March 24, but if not, why not buy the OS, have fun with it, and by July you can download the update for free?

In any event, Apple has ALWAYS stuck to the MacWorld New York as the big "blast off" for OS X -- all you had to do was watch previous MacWorld expo keynotes to get that newsflash. At that time Apple will officially launch OS X preloaded on Macs (and hopefully some new machines) and then everyone will be happy again. I'm sure Apple would love to hold off the release until July, but everyone was breathing down Apple's neck to "get it out there." Now that they're ramping up for March 24, users are now saying, "heck, I'd gladly wait until everything is straightened out." *sigh*

Have some fun, pick up a copy of OS X on March 24, and download the update in July. It's not as if our beloved OS 9 was "perfected" in a day -- it took us 17 years to get that straightened out!

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DVD

Buy the way, has anyone calulated how many people have DVD out of the total . I would rather developer's start writing apps than to see a "complete" os. With or without DVD support it's the same OS for me. And, I don't expect an emulator to preform as fast as the real thing. So, I think cnet is off base on that.

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DVD or CD/RW

First the media complains that Apple has missed the boat on CD/RW by shipping Macs with DVD drives because "people don't want to watch DVD movies on their computers".
Now they say not having initial DVD support in OSX is a major problem.

They can't have it both ways.

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You people take the cake

DVD support takes the most effort to please the fewest people,of COURSE it's going to be DEAD LAST on Apple's TODO list!

Oh no! Please don't release OS X without DVD support! waaaa!

Please hit yourself on the mouth a few dozen times for me, and don't deny you don't deserve it.

c|net is pure webtaboid trash, and so are it's readership.

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here say

Correct me if i'm wrong but none of this stuff has any factual basis except for the "sources" at Apple (yeah right). As for the INTERNAL builds lots of things don't work in some buids and some do in others. My understanding is that these builds are to test parts of the OS not the thing as a whole.

Can we stop going crazy over all this c*** that these so called "sources are talking about.... please.

Wait until March 24th then start b*tching

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idiots

Of course you can read data of the a dvd disk...ya simply can't play video. If you don't like Apple, leave. I'm sure the yearly subscriptions for all future Microsoft software will be just fine with you when you join the Dark Side.

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Clearly FUB

Plenty of Fear, Uncertainty and Bullsh*t from C|Net. Yeah, Apple is not publicizing or pushing Mac OS X. That's right. And the messages my company has been getting from our Apple rep exhorting us to get promo materials, and make it a huge rollout are clearly forgeries, planted by, planted by...agents from C|net who need more hits to their site?

Seriously folks. Yes. Mac OS X will be missing stuff compared to OS 9 as far as "Features we're used to having". It will also have features that Mac OS 9 couldn't dream of having. And it will get the features it's missing. It will be...waitaminute...it already IS worth it. It's got bugs, but it's also not done. See what bugs it has when it ships. THEN comlain, if they affect you and they had BETTER fix em! :) But X is already a kick-a** piece of work. And feel sorry for the programmers over at Apple, who are clearly going to collapse and be sent to bimini for a month after March 20th or so. :)

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You guys are all the same

You guys are all the same, you either complain or right out b****. I am an Apple enthusiast, I have been for a long time. I was one of the first few that WELCOMED the command line to the OS. This is something that WILL make our lives easier. If you don't like it stop rocking the boat, and dive into the Microsoft c*** that there is out there. Just shut up already!

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This is best Cnet can do?

In that case, I'm preordering OS X. I didn't pay for the public beta, because Apple sent me a coupon. Apple has never charged for a maintenance fix, unlike, say, Windows 98, so I don't see why they'll charge for one now.

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linux on a cube..

yeah linux ppc 2000 - I do, but it was a real git to set up! bring on osX (bsd!).

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this is a good thing

Just restating:

If they pushed back the release into the summer (i.e. Puma would be 1.0), then the avalanche of apps would come at MWSF 2002. It would push *everything* back by six months.

DVD enthusiasts can wait, but this way we'll get DVD, a slew of apps, preloading, and new hardware that fully supports the OS (cough new iBooks) all at the same time: this summer. Few months away.

1.0 is basically for early adopters. There'll be some nutso stuff going on @ MWNY w/ Steve and Apple Marketing.

It's really not that bad. You don't *have* to buy OS X now you know.

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Upgrade cost?

I ordered and paid for OS X on the weekend it was released for pre-orders. I hope that I don't have to pay for the summer update (Full edition). Apple should send the update CD out free of charge, including shipping costs!

I got a G4 400 for the purpose to run OS X.

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March Release Essential

The March 24 release is essential, even if there are bugs and no DVD.

Numerous developers have delayed porting to the new OS from Classic because OS X hasn't kept still. The March release will give developers something they need: a firm release to work with.

Although I do think its silly not to have at least a puny DVD player. I told my girlfriend, who doesn't know jack about computers, and she was actually flabbergasted about lack of DVD. (we get a lot of milage out of our DVD player in our laptop).

And enough with the "Cnet's sources suck" bit. If they're wrong, they'll eat crow on March 24. If not, y'all will eat crow instead.

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Umm...did anyone read it?

Even cnet's flawed article says that you can still watch your DVDs, you've just gotta do it in Classic (or maybe boot 9.1--that's not clear).

Well, anyone who's climbing on board on March 24th is anticipating doing a lot of stuff in Classic anyway, since most of the big apps are still unCarbonized. So what's the big deal about watching your DVDs in Classic, too?

This is a non-issue.

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DVDs... chortle

The TiPB's screen is nice, but until it (or any monitor) matches a 36" or larger TV in size, & has fold-out 5.1 or higher Dolby Digital, then the theatre experience just isn't there. DVD's aren't for angst-ridden art films, they're for trite American special effects "movies." Computer systems just can't do their effects justice.

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Yea, right.

Sure, I'd stay with the bad old 9.1 'cause X doesn't run DVD or sleep the PB's. Get a life! what the heck do they think most people do with their computers? Most Macs and Wintel boxes out there don't even have a DVD drive!

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What we expect from OS X

What we really expect from OS X is to support every hardware Apple Computer sold us and sells us right now. It would not be good for Apple and for users.

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march 24

By not calling attention to the March 24 release, Apple is calling far more attention to the release than it would otherwise, which I think is the plan. Brilliant.

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DVD

I was reading that with OS X installed, you will still be able to boot directly into 9.1 (which is included) to run the DVD's instead of using classic enviroment were the DVD won't run. Am I understanding this right. I know that the DVD is not the most important thing, but since my iBook has it, the rare ocassion comes that I like to use it. I will be installing OS X on March 24 no matter if the DVD works or not. Thanks for any info.

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Transmission

[B]
We are Microborg.

You will be assimilated.

Resistance is futile.

Your OS's distinctiveness will be added to our own.

We have already given it a name: Luna.

Resistance is futile.

Lay down your weapons. Your inferior iMac technology is no match for our DELLs.

You will be assimilated.

Surrender your wallets.

We control you.

We are Microborg.

You will be assimilated.

Resistance is futile.[/B]

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March 24, 2001: The Day We Fight Back.

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OS release

Something that EVERYONE is forgetting
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Apple is releasing an OPERATING SYSTEM.

Repeat: OPERATING SYSTEM.

The fact that Apple DVD Player, iMovie, iTunes, and iClarus the Happy iDogCow will not be included is quite logical, because they are APPLICATIONS, not operating system components.

Even now, most of those apps are not installed with a standard Mac OS 9.x installation. iMovie and iTunes are separate downloads. They are *bundled* with new Macs, but Apple is not bundling Mac OS X until Summer.

Get some perspective: what are you waiting for, the Mac OS X, or Mac OS X applications. They are not the same thing. The latter sits on the former, which has to get out the door first...

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DVD and Beta

I believe the article is referring to the pro-class Beta, although it does not say so specifically.

Unlike most (if not all) consumer-grade digital video cameras, professional operations use Digital Beta from professional cameras to the editing room. And yes, there is a significant quality difference between the two.

To see the difference, watch any on-the-street video report on your local news and then pop your consumer tape in and watch any movie you have made. The difference is very apparent, even when you take into account production values.

They are not talking about your father's Beta VCR.

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It's not just DVD folks!

Everyone appears stuck on the DVD issue. The OS has issues where use of the control panel locks up the entire system. That's very serious folks. After all this is suppose to be BSD and one bad app touches the kernel (I guess) and shazammm! It's a gonner.

"Although it is common for new operating systems to have glitches, such as those that hampered
Windows 95 and Mac's OS 7, some analysts were troubled by some of the problems with OS X. "

Although Apple has some money in the bank, this is still make or break for the fruity computer maker!
They can't afford to drop the ball on this.

ciao
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X

Be honest, do you really think long-time Windows users are gonna convert to Mac OS after seeing a few glitzy adverts. The people buying OSX for the first six months are already mac users, and I'd go further than that and say they'll be the mac users that REALLY want OSX whether it's finished or not, who want the latest cool software, who scour the web for the latest build screenshots and information on the new system. In fact, it's us isn't it, the people here.
Part of X's aim is to be simpler and more friendly to new users than the existing system and when it gets pre loaded onto new macs, and new users can see it side by side with whatever wintel system is out at the time AND USE IT TOO, then the conversions will be made. And that is when Apple should play up the new OS. Besides that in 6 months from now, there'll actually be some software about to run on it. What pc convert next month is going to buy a new mac and then have to fork out for a new operating system to run a relatively small amount of software?
Any bugs (which probably don't exist anyway) will be ironed out by the time OSX ships pre-installed, for new Apple converts.

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there is software!

A lot of people seem stuck on the fact that there isn't software and there are not hardware drivers announced. Time to get off your asses folks, and start doing some real research before spouting off. Admittedly a lot of the "big" mainstream apps won't be ready for OS-X's release, but they will be released down the road, and not that far down the road. A number of "smaller" third party companies are already producing quality software products for OS-X and more are joining the bandwagon every day. OS-X provides an awesome opportunity for Independent and smaller Third Party software programmers to make a name for themselves. Once the feature set is finalized, then a lot of software producers will finalize their products and release them. I can't believe how many of you are whining like little children about unproven rumors of what may or may not be included with the initial release. DVD support will come when it is ready, and it won't have to wait until the next software release. Support for third party video products will have to come from the third party sector, and it will come. If OS-X doesn't meet your needs when it is released, just wait a while. Just stop all the damn whining. Kindergartners have more class than some of you. As for me, I am upgrading. I bought my dual 533mhz G4, just in anticipation of it, and yes I know OS-X won't do everything I want right out of the box, but some of the fun in life is the anticipation of what is right around the corner. Life, Apple and Mac OS-X will all survive just fine, and will continue to improve with maturity. I just intend to enjoy the ride.

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software update

In case anyone forgot their is a control panel called software update. It updates the OS when changes are made.So I wouldnt really worry about all these issues. If there is a problem then it will be fixed and posted. Then you can download it and chill. Everything will work itself out.

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I'll wait, you buy

Its generally my personal policy to wait on stuff like this. Its not because I hold some malice toward Aplle about their practices, its because wwhen I buy OsX this summer it'll be better. As a college student, I use the DVD player in my dorm room. I love watching movies this way. Personally, waiting till summer will work better financially. However, I do comend the people willing to buy it when it comes out. For they will help Apple make a better product for me to buy later. To all those that are complaining, do you really need OsX. Regardless of the economical ramifications, OsX's release with bugs won't affect most people, only those diehards that reas and post in places like this. so much more to say, but I'm tired

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This is unbelievable. Could Apple make it any more apparent that they can't deliver on time. I'm the biggest Mac fan that i know, and i'm having a hard time believeing anything that Steve tells us anymore. Did anyone else see the benchmarks between the new 733 and the dual 533? Jobs need to make some changes to his company, and make release dates that are going to be good for the consumer AND the product. I was all set to put my money down for the new system the day that it enters stores, but now i'm going to upgrade my memory because it seems that once again, Jobs can't deliver as he promises.

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CNet accurate on OS X?

Its good to see the Apple faithful sticking up for their favourite platform. I do not understand what CNet is talking about re: the Radeon, unless it is a new Radeon. I believe Apple has said that the GeForce 3 will not be initially supported. I will plan on an early purchase and installation of OS X, on its own drive with the companion OS 9.1. It is an historic event, in Apple time. I do wish Apple would simply have extended the beta phase, moving it to a second iteration if they desired. It would look better. Now it looks incomplete to a lot of people. You know, Linux was released to the Internet in 1991, admittedly as a kernel. It has been longer in development than Mac OS X. They are not directly comparable, as Darwin was PowerMachTen for many years, and also the NextStep OS(adopted by Next when it was the Mach kernel, from Carnegie/Mellon). However, even with some of the most talented people working on an operating system, it takes a great deal of time to get a really sufficient GUI on a fully functional OS. Mac OS X is endeavouring to keep pace with BSD, also. It is not static, which is a good thing. All in all, I wish Apple had waited until July or later if necessary to get enough functionality so that it could not be decried as much. It could have been released as a working beta. It will not stop me from sticking with the Apple Macintosh.

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Still worth buying early

The March 24 release will actually be two OSes:

1. The brand spanking new, so-virgin-that-no-apps-have-done-the-rounds-on-it-yet, Mac OS X.

2. The final, ultimate Mac OS 9.1, optimized for fast booting (according to an Apple engineer).

So, even if you weren't ready to switch entirely to Mac OS X, it would still be worth buying it on March 24, JUST TO GET THE MOST UP TO DATE MAC OS 9 RELEASE!

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A pity :-(

I am quite shocked to see they may ship without DVD support, and, sleep support for their portable range of machines. I for one will wait for the puma release.

Looks like it isn't just Microsoft that ships flawed products as commercial releases anymore :-(

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No problem there

For most current Mac users MacOS X 1.0 "Cheetha" won't be a sensible choice anyway. Most apps for graphics pros won't be there, including many of the smaller tools you need for font and color management. I have no problem with that - I'm going to install X on a second Mac for testing and developement. And DVD playback is something I don't need on a PC at all. I was fun for a few months when I got my DVD Powerbook - but now I don't use it at all.

Cheers...

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Marketsource Demos

are scheduled for the 24th and 25th...

Yeah it's going to be a quite release... NOT!!!

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