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iTunes patch adds Mac OS 8.5 compatibility

updated 09:45 pm EST, Sat February 24, 2001

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iTunes Mac OS 8 patch allows iTunes to run on Mac OS 8.5/8.6. By default, iTunes "requires" Mac OS 9.

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What a crock!

It really ticks me off that Apple tries to force customers to use OS 9 when they don't have to. iTunes and several other programs all run absolutley FINE under 8.x when they hacks are applied. The hacks don't change any functionality. They just get rid of the "requirement" built in to the program. Sorry, Steve. I'm NOT buying OS 9. Why should I? It doesn't do anything for me.

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Waa..call the waabulance!

If you want to use the latest software from Apple buy the latest operating system. iTunes is free--meaning apple is getting no money from it directly--if they leave a hook in it to encourage an upgrade so be it.

Im also getting tired of people b*tching about the fact that their 5 year old powermacs won't be supported by OSX. Sheesh I don't see any PC users trying to run Win2000 on a 486.

Signed Crossplatform Geek!

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What a loser

Take a look at the site that's hosting this stupid little plugin. I read some of the articles, and this guy is absolutely full of sh*t. He hates MacOS X because of some vague concept of "UNIX is confusing to me, and I don't like it." In fact, he hates just about everything Apple has ever done for any reason that happens to fall out of his @$$. Unbelievable. And he calls himself a Mac fan.

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a wet kiss

A big wet kiss for anyone who can get iTools to run on 8.5/6.

Just kidding, but I really do want iTools!!!

Patrick

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iTools works fine on OS 8

You need to search the Mac sites on iTools info. There is a simple extension you download for 8.6 (I don't believe 8.5 works though it might) to enable the networking protocols, and a patch to make the installer run.

Search macnn.com, maccentral.com, xlr8yourmac.com, you'll find it.

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Read his articles

Read the acticles that the guy wrote. While I'm sure that a lot of people will disagree with him, he does seem to have more insight then Apple does right now. Some of his ideas my not be right, but never the less are better than everyone just agreeing with what Apple i.e. Steve Jobs says and not thinking for yourself.

BC

P.S. Getting rid of the keyboard power button is proof enough that Steve doesn't relieze what makes a Mac a Mac.

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System Requirements

System requirements for an application should have only to do with genuine technical system requirements. If iTunes runs on 8.5 or later, it should install on 8.5 or later. To artificially inflate system requirements for the purpose of marketing OS 9 to users is immoral and unethical. That's a Microsoft tactic, and it's why Bill Gates is a piece of c*** and will rot in h*** forever.

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His Dock Idea

I looked thru his articles and while I don't agree with a lot of what he's saying the "alternate dock" he presents is very very interesting. Maybe Apple should implement some of those ideas for MacOS XI or whatever they are gonna call an update to OS X.

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a better idea?

So it would be better that Apple spend much more money developing for and testing on older versions of system software? Then, after making that investment, it should still be a free program, right?

Since Santa Clara Valley engineers are on the cheap, this is quite reasonable.

OK. Got it now.

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Downloading iTunes

Try downloading iTunes - it keeps giving me an error that I need to select the operating system I'm using - but there's no way to do that on the download page. Is the server perhaps polling my machine (OS8.6) and giving that error to try to defeat the iTunes patch?

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iTunes Extension Problem

I note that, even after installing the patch, the iTunes extension does not load unless I hack the system. Is anyone else having this problem?

iTunes 1.0 would load properly after a hack, including the system extension.

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iTunes Extension Problem

I note that, even after installing the patch, the iTunes extension does not load unless I hack the system. Is anyone else having this problem?

iTunes 1.0 would load properly after a hack, including the system extension.

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Hmm Doesn't Work

I installed the patch on my iTunes on 8.5.1. Can't launch it...complaining about "InterfaceLib--IsAntiAliasedTextEnabled" could not be found. Oh yeah...and the iTunes extension has a big fat X on it at boot.

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Can't Hack It..

I keep getting an error saying "An error prevented the update from completing"

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Contradictions Abound...

This guy's articles are interesting. Unfortunately, he tends to contradict himself. One example:

"I am not saying that UNIX is not powerful or not a good choice as a core for an operating system."
http://homepage.mac.com/wormintheapple/OSX_SW.html

"Personally, I believe that the UNIX underwrappings of Mac OS X will ruin the Mac OS interface to the point where it will be nothing more than a Windows look-alike.
"http://homepage.mac.com/wormintheapple/AltDock.html

So which is it? Unix is a good idea or not? I don't really care if the guy likes OS X or not, but it is interesting that HE doesn't seem to know what he likes...

Just some thoughts...

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Won't work for me either

I installed the patch on my iTunes on 8.5.1. Can't launch it...complaining about "InterfaceLib--IsAntiAliasedTextEnabled" could not be found.
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I had the exact same problem.

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Agree With the Guy

I aggree with him on a lot of points. I know the current MacOS is shot stability wise, so X will be great from that, but a lot of the changes aren't too good. I still have it preordered, but am very aprehensive. I do like his idea for an alternate dock especially

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itunes 1.1 on german mac

Hi,
is here anybody with an idear how to hack the installer to work with an german macos 9 ?
Rob!

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itunes patch

I was able to patch itunes 1.1 OK. but when i try to run the application it says I need OS 9. Does this patch only work with itunes 1.0? I also noticed the itunes extension X'd out on startup....
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Shut up!!!

Everyone just quit your bitching and updrade to OS 9. You can't afford $90!!!???

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Re: iTools

If you just want your mac.com e-mail under Mac OS 8 (or Windows, for that matter), you don't even need a patch for iTools. Just type your pop server information into any standard mail client and you can use it anywhere, even though the web page may not work on that system.

-10sfan

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Use Patch Twice!

Experiment with OS 8.6 running on a G-3 upgraded clone:

Tried patching the installer, didn't work. Then ran patch on the app itself. The patcher creates a new copy of the app called "iTunes 1.1 for OS8." Trashed original and renamed patched version. Launched this. Got an alert that iTunes couldn't find the Documents Folder (this is true under OS 8.6!) So created a Documents folder. Relaunched iTunes, got the usual setup dialogs, and the app runs! Then used ResEdit to add a note in the iTunes about box scrolling text that this is a hacked version.

****However . . .****

In order to play CDs, iTunes uses the now standard procedure under the *current* Mac OS to read in the aiff data at top speed from the CD drive, and decode it in software using the CPU, rather than whatever D-to-A implementation is resident on the drive (that would output to the drive's audio-out [RCA jacks, headphones, whatever). So on an older CPU the playback from iTunes is likely to stutter, and this is what happens on what Apple calls "legacy" computers, and that includes my old StarMax 5000/300 even with a CPU upgrade to a G3, because the bus (SCSI, EIDE, ATAPI) is too slow on whatever machine.

continues . . .

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Patch Twice! cont.

. . . where was I?

What Apple realy is implying about OS9 only for iTunes is that it will only run successfully on a CPU that can run OS9 successfully, that is, *fast*. Even though the clone I ran this hack on can run OS9, I wasn't thrilled with the performance. That's why I got a G4 almost a year ago.

Finally, re the problem with downloading iTunes from the website while running pre-OS 9: I'm not suprised. What's implied by the illustrious hacker is that you have at least one OS9 machine on hand, and want to run iTunes on your older CPU or CPUs as well. I'm sure Apple wouldn't mind that, now would they?

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Don't be brainwashed.

Don't be a brainwashed lemming! Read his articles; he has some very valid points. I especially agree with the idea that Apple seems to have adopted a "we know what's best for you, better than you do - esthetics before functionality" kind of attitude with the introduction of the round mouse, only 3 PCI slots in the towers, (How long did it take them to fix those?) dock, QuickTime 4, removal of Apple Menu from OS X, etc. Hopefully the stock tumble and resultant shareholder pressure will exert some influence over Mr. Jobs that we as users have been unable to.

The patch worked for me on 1.0. Haven't tried 1.1 yet.

I own OS 9 as well as OS X PB but I use 8.6 because that is my preference. I prefer the simpler save boxes with the "Desktop" button, (alone which would be enough to keep me from using 9.x) amongst many other things. I'll get OS X as soon as it comes out, but keep it on a small partition for amusement purposes only until it matures into something a least approaching the usability, or customizability of the sleek, simple, non-cartoonish 8.6.

Save your flames.

TheNakedEye

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the grander scheme

Mac OS X is part of a much grander scheme that Apple is beginning to implement just now. The fact that it is a "1.0" release implies that it has somewhere to go. Mac OS X in no way places aesthetics above functionality, and this may be something that you don't understand right now.

I do find the guy's ideas for the Dock pretty interesting. I don't think it would be as fast as the Dock, however, but it's definitely an interesting idea for people who have trouble letting go.

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Another Naked Eye

I think the one valid mantra discerning Mac users should chant at every future demo of Aqua is:

"That's very pretty, Steve, but I have **work** to get done!"

Cartoonish effects that hog the processor take away from productivity, regardless of the clumsyness (or not) of the interface. Want to bet you won't be able to turn off these effects in OS X v1.0? "Well, that's what customers respond to." Yes, while they're watching a demo and not trying to actually accomplish something, that's what they'll respond to, all right.

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To h*** with Mac Users

Mac Users are the BIGGEST bunch of WHINERS I have ever seen.

I am ASHAMED to be a Mac User after coming on board with a 512ke (how many of the whiners have even USED such a Mac?).

You know what there is this little "OS" built into every Mac since they got PCI called "Open Firmware". It is what "boots" your computer's hardware up, finding cards and HDs and putting critical info into memory so your fancy all-GUI Mac OS can actually DO something.

How many people have even SEEN Open Firmware? How many people will SEE the UNIX in Mac OS X? Many people derriding OS X have either never used it, or are stuck on the DP or even Beta releases which are INCOMPLETE and missing many of the control panels, dock things that replace the Control Strip, the FULL Finder and more.

Apple has changed so MUCH c*** since Beta that OS X is like a different OS in many ways. The Rumor sites are a generation or so BEHIND what Apple is doing, they are showing off OLD NEWS in many cases.

OS X wont be a UNIX with a GUI so much as a GUI OS that also has UNIX deep inside it for those who WANT or NEED that power.

God you fairweather Mac users are so infuriating I wonder why on earth I even bother TRYING to support *my* favorite computing platform in the face of all these Armchair Quarterbacks who have no CLUE what it takes to make software, let alone a complete OS or run a multi-billion dollar multinational company.

Pardon me while I wipe my a** with all thes whiners comments, thats about all they are good for.

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Uh - ho...

Somebody needs a nap!

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The alt dock

Can you say wow.. I like that dock he created.. I want mine like that.

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Forgotten about the MAC?!

c'mon guys. LISTEN. We're all Mac Users. We're all Mac FANS. What Makes a Mac a Mac is the EASE of customization. the OPTIONS that we have. OS X isn't even out yet and look at all the add on software/shareware for it!! If you don't like the Dock or the new Apple Menu, WRITE your own utility to fix it, or ENCOURAGE someone else to do so.

Remember the Old Apple Menu with DAs? Didn't we all love Connectix' Hand OFF II?! Whoa! Then Apple implemented it! How about SUPERCLOCK?! Then Apple implemented it! Gee, that only took 3 years or so to become part of the OS.

Give it time, and give it a chance! Besides, Apple DID implement MANY of the ideas that people gave feedback about from the PB.

Here's the Final Word:

We all know that the GM of OS X will ROCK in stablility and speed. We all know that there will be themes available to make it look like what you want. And we all know there will be a myriad of INSANELY GREAT Shareware apps and utils to make the OS do exactly what we want!

I'm psyched about os X!! Long live the MAC!

-GregM.
(I'm now off my soapbox.)

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iTunes Patch

It works great!...download the patch and iTunes...unstuff iTunes and run the patch for the iTunes installer, open the iTunes installer for Mac OS 8 and copy the disk image to the hard drive, run the iTunes patch on the application...you're ready to roll! Open iTunes 1.1 for Mac OS 8 and get cranking! No hacking necessary. No political comments, just appreciative someone had the foresight and expertise to do this for "the rest of us". Thank you!

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iTunes Patch Followup

I received an email from the creator of the iTunes patch. He states that the patch does not affect the iTunes extension (1.1 won't load properly under OS 8.6), yet the application works properly with no loss of functionality. I cannot confirm the loss of functionality, as I have no CD burner. Can anyone confirm what the iTunes extension does?

Thanks,
TS

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iTunes Ext

SoundJam runs without its extension. If iTunes is based on SJ, then it too, may not have a problem running extension free.

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his dock thing

looks like an over complicated pc shareware hack.

maybe something like that should be made but its not elegant enough to be part of the standard os IMO.

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a pc hack???

No way man... that dock as he presents it looks sweet and just imagine what kind of refinement Apple could make to that thing...thats how the dock should have been all along!

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Comments on Comments

RE: Keyboard Power Key. The USB spec (remember USB is Intel technology) does not provide for such implementation as did ADB. Apple's USB drivers (while getting better) are still a tad flakey because the programmers had to "modify" things in order to support such functionality.

RE: OSX Heaven or h***
OSX scares people. I have been a Mac tech for 10 years now. (I'm seriously good at what I do) I don't know Unix and until OSX was announced had no real desire to learn it. I can boot my OS7-9 macs with the shift key down when I have problems and almost always resolve my issues by the judicious tweaking of various setings and files. When OSX gets Kernel Panic when opening the TCP/IP Prefs I haven't the foggiest idea of what to do. Imagine your Mom's brand new 2002 FlowerPower Pocket Cinema Cube (or whatever) going south and trying to talk her through opening up a terminal window and doing those Unix things you Unix people do in a terminal windows.The mac's traditional market has always been artists and designers - these people need to get their work done, not re-learn almost 15years of ingrained behaviour. Unix is Cool. Unix is Good. Unix is Stable. Unix is SO different. I've got my books and I'm reading them, but i'm feeling really iffy about all of this.

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Stunned, works fine, but

iMac 333 here (not and old piece of c***). I use 8.6 cause its the most stable i have used since 1988. And wont 9 be included with X? I dont give money to big companies just for fun. Anyway, downloaded iTunes 1.1 and the patch thinking it surely couldn't work, otherwise Apple would have let me use it... But it does work! And works great! But... whats the trick? I mean the trick Apple tried on me. They give free stuff to make me love them (wich i already do) but code it so you're forced to spend on OS to run it even though it could have on previous systems?!?!?!? Stunned! I call that CHEAP! Veeeerrryyy cheap. Cmon, 8.6 aint very old. Is it really that they give from one hand thinking to bet back from the other hand? So it aint free after all? Just like big-dum-businesses do? Apple? I'm just speechless!!! Reminds me they thought my mac didnt need a restart button. And the too-short cable on new keyboards. And the 64RAM new not-so-X-ready iMacs. And the puck mouse. I'm not whining, just starting to think different...

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iTunes patch

I just want to say thank you. I installed the patch, then turned around and installed iTunes. It's a great piece of software!

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its called...

limiting your support costs. by saying it runs only on 9 then they limit their costs on supoorting a product they don't make a dime off of. The save money by only testing on 9 and shorten bug testing and developing time by saying its 9 only. Umm hello, its free!

geez...is it just me or have the last year been filled with mac complainers???

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wahhhh

imovie doesn't run under 7.6! Where is my patch?

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Old School

I proclaim this "Worm in the Apple" man to be a genius. I love the parallel between Mac OS X and _The Phantom Menace_. The following line is particularly insightful:

"...many more were so determined to adore anything bearing the name of Star Wars, that they actually convinced themselves that the new episode was worth the wait."

I'm now convinced that the people who love Aqua and the people who love _The Phantom Menace_ really are the same people. Add to that the people who think "The Simpsons" is still funny.

Read a posting from someone who loves Aqua, and it is the same tard every time. "Stop whining... Let go, move on... Give X a chance..." Blah blah blah... There are Mac lovers, and then there are Apple lovers. Aqua fans are Apple lovers -- they love anything with an Apple logo on it. Steve Jobs could f*** on a floppy disk, and they'd be like, "Oh, Steve, that was the most insanely great f***..."

How else can one explain the fact that so-called Mac lovers love something that is "Mac" in name only? I'm aching for an explanation. Aqua makes me so depressed.

As for the patch: I'm looking for a Sherlock patch that will make it run on Mac OS 8.1 (just plain ol' Sherlock, not Sherlock 2). Anyone? (And yes I did *pay* for 8.5 or whatever, but then downgraded to 8.1, Sherlock or no Sherlock -- 8.5 had so many problems it just wasn�t worth it.)

--Janus
(hanging on to Mac OS 8.1 for dear life)

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not true

You seem to confuse people that defend Aqua because it is made by Apple and people who defend Aqua because they actually like it.

I think it's foolish of you to think that just because you like Mac OS 8.1 best (which is fine) that everyone else is only defending Aqua and Mac OS X because "Steve Jobs farted on it."

I like Mac OS X, I like Aqua, and above all I like all the work they're putting into refining it. I think Steve is stupid sometimes (DVD/CD-RW, hello? New iBooks, 128 MB RAM standard, oh lord, the list could go on and on), but on the other hand he's the best we can get. The man has a vision, and he's pulling Apple into the future dispite the fact that he makes mistakes now and again.

"How else can one explain the fact that so-called Mac lovers love something that is 'Mac' in name only?"

Um, they like it. It's not Mac in name only, it's an upgrade that happens to be a rewrite. Mac OS 8 itself is a huge jump from System 7 and you don't see those people bitching. Not to say you're bitching -- if you like 8.1 that's great -- but you shouldn't assume that no one likes Aqua just because you don't.

This Worm in the Apple guy has some good ideas and some stupid ones, just like everyone else. I doubt anything he says will be implemented other than the most obvious things like actual bugs or missing features (pppoe, etc). That Dock won't come anywhere near Steve, I assure you.

seriously...

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does Sherlock 2 'require

Does Sherlock 2 'require' OS9 as well, or can it be hacked too?

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if works on 8 just say so

Why then didn't Apple just say that iTunes is OS9 recommended, not REQUIRED? Actually, they made it so it just wont work on 8. Well, tadaaaa IT DOES and fine too! Be serious. They put a trick on us. I'm deceived and furious.

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iTools works great on 8.6

Just use resedit

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