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QuickTime 5 Preview 3 available (finally!)

updated 04:40 am EST, Thu February 15, 2001

As anticipated yesterday, Apple has finally posted QuickTime 5 Preview 3, which addresses the expired preview problems readers noted here yesterday. This version, with 5.0b11 components, is an update from the "QT 5 Public Preview 3" version seeded to developers last week. Readers can provide feedback about bugs and suggestions about new features to Apple directly on the QuickTime Website. [noted yesterday evening; updated]

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no server trouble

Just downloaded Preview 3 without any problems regarding the server overload reported here.. (around 1000 hours CET)..

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Almost working again

After having two computers COMPLETELY s*** themselves for a day I have installed the new version (downloading it from a mac that actually worked) and life is back to normal.

I find it quite scary that such a small thing can mean the difference between freezing on startup and having everything fine.

Mind you, when I tried to play the new sample movie, quicktime froze - ah well, at least I can do other things now.

Oh, and all you people who wrote saying we shouldn't have used the software in the first place, please piss off and find something better to do.

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New functions

When exporting there is an option to export using Sorensson 3 in the new beta release...

No MPEG 1 or 2 found yet...maybe it depend on the source movie? any one know about this?

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No Channels

Installed the new version without problem, but when I click on "TV" there are no channels to choose from. How do you restore these?

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b11

I downloaded QT yesterday from Apples developers page and I got QT5 b9. Today I downloaded from Apples QT-page and I got QT5 b11 and it was quite a difference - no freezing with MacOS 9.1.

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1000 hours

it took you 1000 hours to download? what modem are you using? haha

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RE: 1000 hours

Man, 1000 hours! Get cable already!

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Better than 5.0b9!

I'm working relying on DV codec. So I can tell the 5.0b11 is even nicer than 5.0b9. 5.0b9 was not so great as previous preview 2. But, 5.0b11 is fantastic. In terms of DV codec quality;

4.1.2=worst (really sucks)
5.0 preview 1=best, but some incompatiblity
5.0 preview 2=best, incompatiblity addressed.
5.0 preview 3=best + slick

Apple's DV codec is the best among all soft DV codecs now.

Quicktime Player try to feed up their Ads when it's launched. Hey, Apple, the same thing will happen in releasing version? Or Windows version? Nagging message is more than enough to freak out Windows users. Everybody says the same. Nisus Writer is maybe better than MS Word. But they tried to give away to grab the last piece of the market. Look at the market share of Quicktime format at this point. It's such a shame to be defeated with such a superior product by such a c***.

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QT Newsletter and QT 5

Apple should have indicated that the preview would expire on Feb.14. They did not so it was a mess for thousands users all around the world. In this case, what's the use of a newsletter if they forget to put VERY IMPORTANT infos

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Sight !

When I think of all those panicked Mac users who falsely pretended to be a developper yesterday morning just to have Qt5 b9... So sad !

Hadn't it occured to anyone that Apple would publish a new preview version now that the old one had expired ??? It seemed pretty obvious to me...

Now, of course, Apple should have published the new version on QT5 on the 13th of February... I suppose the programmers were all to busy buying flowers for their significant other ! ;-)

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Think Different it is

Wednesday afternoon I checked for live update, Quicktime pref is also set to alert to updates, said I was up to date. Thurs AM find expired components.

This is Think Different all right! No one in their right mind would treat customers to this. Yes, I can reinstall from 9.1 CD which has 4.x. Had I not been reading I would have gotten caught totally off-guard. Expiring before a new version is posted.... s*@ks.

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QT 5 Preview Question

I am running a dual G4 500 with the ROM 5.5.1, which was specifically incompatible with previous beta releases--my machine is supposed to lock up if I use anything newer than 4.1.2.

Any news on whether QT5 preview 3 addresses this ROM compatibility issue?

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Sorenson 3

just test encode a Sorenson 3, great quality compared to the file size, but horribly slow

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Eudora 5.01 changed?

Since installing QT5b11 Eudora now has button bar that can't be modified.

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QT market share

The share of the market QT has is probably pretty big: 100% of mac users (who are already, what?, 5-10% of the total?) plus lots and lots of windows users. It doesn't show up well on the surveys of streaming media apps that get used, in part because it can be used as a plug-in without starting up the app, unlike, say, WMP.

Silly apple for not releasing the new version a day earlier, but still, it was thepreview version.

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no problems

Apple server appears to be working fine today. Quicktime expired on the machines in our LAN, we downloaded and it's running fine. One machine (Powerbook) froze after Quicktime Player was first launched, but no problems after that.

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got it...good

Hey!
Quit whining. I downloaded it, no prob, installed it on both of my machines, no prob. Revision A iMac, revision A iBookSE and a 56K modem up here in the sticks. Yeah, shoulda had more notice/lead time, but Valid PointWas Preview! If yer gonna be an early adopter, stay on topovit- geez!

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blew my tire

Damn...started my mac this morning and quicktime failed. Software update did not fix the problem. Went to Apple's site. Installed latest beta. Everything is fine now. My Mac chimed at start up and informed the neighborhood that it had problems again.

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PC version still expired

I have winbloze at work and I tried to download the PC version (as the quicktime PR3 site gives you this option) and it downloads the old expired one. This is bothersome when they just throw in the old one with out notifying us that it's not ready yet. I tried this twice with same problem. I really didn't want to dl the old one but guess I have to now because there's no way to know if they ever update the file.

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BETA

BETA equals Buggy Enduser Test Application. If you want to be a guinea pig, go ahead and download the beta. The first public beta release of Quicktime 5 (pr2) made it impossible to install my Lexmark Z52 drivers. pr3 may fix that, but I am waiting till the final release. So folks, if you are going to play with BETAs remember you are playing with fire, and expect to get scathed from time to time.

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when is pref 3 expiring

Now we know that the pervious version expired yesterday, does anybody know when the preview 3 is going to expire. I hate to be giving a lecture and the stuff expires.

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quit whining my a**!

this was the most ridiculous thing yet, apple has our e-mail addresses, and they could have warned us ahead of time and had the updated version available a few days before this f**king "beta" expired. i read the stinking info on the apple site when i downloaded "quick time 5.2 PUBLIC PREVIEW" that's right "public preview" did it say "beta" NO.... so i dont want to hear people saying to quit whining. i go to start up my imac and get the error messages, jpegs dont open my desktop is all screwy and it's all because of this? to he*l with qt5. i'm back with qt4.1.2. and that's where i'll stay. if i wanted to have this kind of c*** happen to my computer i would have bought a "winbloze" p.o.s......man, i'm freaking pissed

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quit whining - a**

Look moron, it does say PREVIEW...do you know what a PREVIEW is? it is a taste of whats to come. It doesn't say "FINAL" or "RELEASE" or anything that would indicate you are intended to continue using this forever. No, a preview is a short-lived product. Take a preview shampoo bottle sent in the mail...will it last as long as the full product? No! So you are upset that Apple didn't tell you how long it would last, you are PREVIEWING the product and should expect it to quit working eventually...it is the nature of previews. Get over it. I would be willing to bet somewhere on the website when you downloaded the preview OR in the "Read Me" (did ANYONE read that?) the expiration date was given, so quit whining.
Also stop shitting about all the stuff that stopped working, you should have known that. Quicktime is *THE* Multimedia application for the Mac and just about EVERYTHING requires it. The fact that you chose to risk "EVERYTHING" by using a "PREVIEW" version is your own damn fault. Get over it.
Just because Apple released a Mac OS X public preview does not mean anyone had a right to complain that it didn't support their computer or it didn't contain all the stuff that OS X has been advertised as supporting...a preview is a preview and NOT a full featured release. Deal with it!

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Don't People Read?

It says right in the license agreement (the one you have to click Agree on) when the software expires. For example:
"The term of this License shall commence upon your installation or use of the Apple Software and will terminate automatically without notice from Apple upon the commercial release of the Apple Software, or April 15, 2001, whichever occurs first."
Taken from Public Preview 3.
"Dammit...they should have let me know......."

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NZ? What state's that in

Hey Yankee doodles, New Zealand and other countries that are A DAY AHEAD OF YOU are not in some part of the US. So those that are telling us to stop ranting because it was released on time anyway, NO IT WAS NOT! Not for us who real ARE ahead of the rest of the world! You, had time to download a beta, only because we alerted Apple about it, next time will will remain silent and watch you flat on your a**!

Hello!!!!

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Email addresses...

apple has our e-mail addresses, and they could have warned us ahead of time

And if Apple did send you email, you would've complained how they violated your trust by sending you SPAM when you said not to, or some other bull like that. If they auto-checked the internet for the update (rather than forcing you to run the software update regularly), people would complain on that.

When you have an infinite number of whiners whining about an infinite number of things, you're going to have some people who aren't pleased.

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Waaaahhh, my QT expired..

People, get a clue. If this is the worst thing the software does to you, you should be happy. Being beta, it could've destroyed your hard drive.

Actually, remember that all software is licensed, and the EULA usually have those immortal words about "We take no responsibilty if your computer gets tanked due to the use of our software". So they don't have to treat you better, despite what you think.

(Some people's complaint about Linux is there's no one in charge or complain to. The only real difference between that and other OS companies is you don't have anyone official telling you you're screwed, and those other immortal words "You did make backups, right?")

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Sorenson 3

The codec seems to be much better than the previous one.

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quit whining?, moron?

who's the moron? , someone who has to keep updating a "preview" just to get a "cool" looking qt? or someone who will just let you people do the dirty work while he just enjoys a qt that always works? and when it is "final" download it .........hhmmmm....what apple did was wrong. even if you didnt read the "text" they could have made it plain and simple

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Downloading it...

Had a problem trying to get it last night. However I tried Monica (see versiontracker.com to find it) and it worked perfectly. Took me about 40+ minutes to get it on my 56k connection though.

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freezes

QT player freezes on startup if the proxy setting isn't right (my univ proxy went down 2 days ago and I hadn't unchecked "use proxy" yet) -- fixable using Quicktime Settings cp.

But it also freezes whenever I try to play the Kevin Caldwell Engel-Evangelion mpeg that worked just great in the PPr2.

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NT Problem

Just tried to download the NT version and got a message saying that the files on the server are too old for the installer. At least the Mac version downloads!!

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I knew it

What's the big deal? I knew when it would expire before I even considered downloading it. The expiry date was published in several of the stories about the release. It's also right at the beginning of the license. So. . . ?

And your computer messed up when it expired? Well, I'm sorry to hear it but you gamble when you install beta software. No one is obligated to install pre-release software.

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Re: 1000 hours

How could it take anyone 1000 hours to download something when it hasn't even been out for 24?

Sheesh, you must've missed the event when they were passing out brains. :-P

He meant 10:00 eastern time. Duh!

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International Expiry

My International English version of Preview 1 just expired. Apple has not posted a newer version. The finder and various dialogs point to www.apple.com/uk/quicktime, which is Quicktime 4. I could do it (= being nice), or use the US version of QT5 PR 3 on the international OS 9.1 (= being naughty). Does anyone have any experience with the latter? I'm happy to endure minor buglets, but would prefer to avoid major system admin if the incompatability turns out to be big. Anybody tried?

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PC qtpr3 link works now

just wanted to tell everyone that has to use a pc at work that the pr 3 for pc link works now. It no longer downloads the old version.

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Expired WORKAROUND

Just change your date back a few days and restart. They all Quicktime apps still run. This gives you time to download the update when you can.

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April 15 th

3. Term of License. The term of this License shall commence upon your installation or use of the Apple Software and will terminate automatically without notice from Apple upon the commercial release of the Apple Software, or April 15, 2001, whichever occurs first. Your rights under this License will also terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License. Upon the termination of this License, you shall cease all use of the Apple Software and destroy all copies, full or partial, of the Apple Software.

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Problems?

Just remember to post any bugs/problems that you may have to Apple. That's one of the reasons they release these things early.

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Playing trailers ?

PR3 with French IE (plug-in 5.0b11)
= requires QT system extension 5.0 or later

Apple is too focused on OS X and seems to be late for QT too :-(

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QTP download

downloaded new preview in approx. 2 minutes (full installer)

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Ha!

well, all this angst about downloading and late notice.. when I tried to view some of the movie trailers, they were so soft that I thought I was swimming under water. If they call this a beta 11, then it seems that there's trouble in Cupertino.

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Apple did a wrong thing?

How the h*** can you say that Apple did a wrong thing, when it states quite clearly in the license that Apple has NO OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE AN UPDATED VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE!

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huh??!?!

Programmers have significant others???????

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DVD

Preview 11 messes up DVD playback on my Wallstreet (with the PC Card) something feirce - I hope they fix that.

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What fools, these morons!

Moron 1 wrote:
this is Think Different all right! No one in their right mind would treat customers to this. Yes, I can reinstall from 9.1 CD which has 4.x. Had I not been reading I would have gotten caught totally off-guard. Expiring before a new version is posted.... s*@ks.

Moron 2 wrote:
this was the most ridiculous thing yet, apple has our e-mail addresses, and they could have warned us ahead of time and had the updated version available a few days before this f**king "beta" expired. i read the stinking info on the apple site when i downloaded "quick time 5.2 PUBLIC PREVIEW" that's right "public preview" did it say "beta" NO.... so i dont want to hear people saying to quit whining. i go to start up my imac and get the error messages, jpegs dont open my desktop is all screwy and it's all because of this? to he*l with qt5. i'm back with qt4.1.2. and that's where i'll stay. if i wanted to have this kind of c*** happen to my computer i would have bought a "winbloze" p.o.s......man, i'm freaking pissed

What is wrong with you people!?!? This is a Public Preview!! Furthermore, it clearly states that it expires and that it is not a final release! Go somewhere else and complain about your own mistakes where no one else has to be bothered by them.

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prev2 feedback for apple

#### crash - Type 2 error ####

When I open up quicktime player the first time (after install) and the click the TV buttom in the untitled 1 window I get a two-tabbed window. To the right there's a scroll bar, but it's ghosted untill u resize the window. When it's not ghosted it works fine but when it's ghosted (white) clicking on it will crash the quicktime player.

I've tested this on an iMacDV SE 400MHz with a danish system too and it's exactly the same problem = crash (type 2 error).

I'm running the public preview 2 US Pro mode and I've got various thirdparty extensions installed. Never encountered this problem before (with qt 4.1 or qt 5 preview 1), but don't think I ever tested this particular problem either.

#### current time mismatch ####

If I open both the "Movie Info" and "Properties" windows and set properties to display Movie Time and then frame step a 25fps movie the two Current Time displayers will not display the same time - one is slightly ahead (in my case the properties window).

example:
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Properties:
Current time: 00:00:01:25

Info:
Current Time: 00:00:01,24
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#### picture size ####

Request: a "Picture Info" in PictureViewer that gives info on current picture dimensions, size in Kb and format etc.

#### frame rate ####

This is a biggie: I work professionally with video content in apps like after effects etc. One thin I really really miss in QuickTime Player is the ability to view current time in the correct frame rate. Right now it is always displayed based on 30fps (US system), something wich is practically useless in 25fps countries. I often want to know exactly which frame I am currently at for certain types of work - but the inability to either have qt autodetect framerate or to set the fps (displayed) manually complicates this task unneccesarily. Please make the Current Time info useable for all the non-30 fps footage too.

#### select none shortcut ####

command-B seems to me a bad choice for deselect. Most other apps use either command-D or shift-command-A.

#### play all frames shortcut ####

working professionally it is very often neccesary to view movies one frame at a time at the fastest possible framerate = check the "play all frames" option. would be really nice with a shortcut to said option.

#### Save as... shortcut ####

why not a shift-command-S shortcut to Save as...?

#### current size presets ####

working as a professional i often work with non-square pixel footage. this means that often i have footage at 720x576 that I need to view as either 768x576 (PAL 4:3) or 1024x576 (PAL 16:9). Right now I go through a tiresome process of shift-resizing my window until I hit the correct dimensions in Current Size. It would be very helpful if there was some

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prev2 feedback for apple

The post above is what I submitted in response to Public Preview 2. They have corrected the second item (time mismatch). Haven't checked whether item 1 has been caught, but the rest are left out. Have posted the other items to Apple before. Is it just me complaining or do other users have the same gripes? Especially item 4 (frame rate) is driving me mad. QT states (in properties/info) the correct framerate. Why can't Movie Player display the current time in the correct framerate? Stupid, stupid, stupid and even stupider... =(

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prev2 feedback for apple

If any of you agree with my comments about framerate display - please let Apple know:

QuickTime Feedback

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YAY

I can finlay present a streaming movie! YAY
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DL probs

Every time I try to DL the new preview from Apple's site it keeps telling me to choose an OS. No matter which one I click I get this message.

Does anyone have the FTP address where I can get the installer?

It's not on ftp.apple.com

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OS X

Well, if they DID release it late because of work on OS X, ya better hopes that they did do it well.... ^_~

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QT 5 preview is a VIRUS

I just spent two very angry hours dealing with the
damn thing expiring. Why did Apple do such a stupid
thing?

Never again...

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Third Moron's the Charm

Moron #3:
I just spent two very angry hours dealing with the damn thing expiring. Why did Apple do such a stupid thing?

Apple didn't do anything dumb. You did. Next time, read the liscense and perhaps you should ponder the meaning of 'preview.'

Never again...

Oooooh.... cryptic.... and dumb. What, you're never going to use Apple software again? Or are you just not going to look at movies with QuickTime -- 'cause I'm sure you can get by using MS Windows Media Player 6.3b. Or, are you being highly inappropriate and referring to the Holocaust?

Too bad QT Preview 5 isn't EBOLA -- Darwin at work. (No, not a cryptic reference to Apple's Open Source Project.)

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IE5 crash

got many crashes when startin IE5 after installing QT5 b11...

anyone?

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hey moron guy

darwin at work? you seem to be the exception. evidently you havent evolved far enough. take your pompous attitude and go somewhere else.

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a tip for moron guy

Always keep an installer or copy of the previous WORKING application.

p.s. it doesn't expire till you restart.

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In defense of moron guy

Come on... he is pointing out that Apple clearly stated the following things in the license that you have to agree to before you can download the software:

1. It is preview software and WILL EXPIRE.
2. Apple has NO OBLIGATION to provide updated versions before the current version expires or even at all.

People are forgetting that. They seem to want it displayed in 50000-point type on the screen...

Apple writes it to expire so that people don't have prerelease versions lying around after the final, released version comes out...

Remember, Mac OS X Public Beta expires May 15, 2001. I predict we will hear a bunch of morons getting mad about that too... "Apple didn't tell us..."

Just RTFL (Read the ****ing license).

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A Tip FROM Moron Guy

Here's a few tips for those QT5 Preview Users, from the one and only, cute and cuddly Moron Guy:

1. The retractable tray on the front of your machine with the circular impression is not a cup holder.

2. Use a paper clip to eject disks from suck drives.

3. Don't use paper clips to 'explore' electrical outlets.

4. Read liscense agreements on 'Preview' Software before whining that you were screwed when it 'unexpextedly' stopped working.

5. Learn to tell the difference between Final and Development/Beta/'Preview' software.

6. Realize that you use Beta software at your own risk and install it wisely. (Of the seven Macs I own -- incl. 4 brand new G4s, the OS X Public Beta resides only on the oldest, least important machine, a G3-powered 9500/180MP. And I have completely avoided QT 5, despite the fact that I am a developer.)

8. Don't whine to me when your OS X Public Beta expires on May 15, 2001. (Suprise! It's in the liscense agreement!)

7. SHUT UP!

BTW, did all of you complain when Netscape 2.0b2 expired in 1995? Oh, that's right, you probably were still baffled as to why it didn't seem to read that 5.25 floppy when you folded it in half and shoved it into the 3.5 drive.

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Kansas Reinstates Darwin

darwin at work? you seem to be the exception. evidently you havent evolved far enough. take your pompous attitude and go somewhere else.

Well, my pompous attitude comes from the fact that I am sick and tired of hearing really stupid complaints about Apple software/hardware/corporate decisions. (Uh, I shot my PowerTower with a 12 gauge 'cuz I didn't like using the mouse for Deer Hunter & now it won't work and Apple won't fix it.) If you want to complain, there is plenty to complain about (like the lack of PCI or RAM slots), just as long as you do it intelligently.

I spend hours at a time offering my hefty experience on the MacFixit boards, pretty much on a weekly basis. I have no problem helping people, so long as they're not whining that their 'cup holder' broke off, or that upgrading must have corrupted files 'cause 'Wild Eep' is gone, or other such nonsense.

And I usually don't even use a soap box or take on such attitude like I have here, it's just that I think this is one of the dumbest whining sessions I have ever heard. It's like whining that you'll never buy Apple again because they didn't stop you from editing your System file with ResEdit and now your computer displays upside down and backwards, and all your menus are gone.

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Sorenson 3

Can anyone provide review of Sorenson 3? quality vs. size. It is my opinion that Windows Media, DivX(aka mpeg4) and Real all provide better quality per byte and QT/sorenson 2.

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Re: Sorenson 3

The quality of Sorenson 3 (and speed of encoding) certainly seemed impressive until I had a look at the file and realized it cranks out video at a constant bitrate of 1MB/sec. Checking the "limit bitrate to --- Kbytes/sec" has no effect whatsoever on the actual output. This also explains the speed -- it is much easier for the software to encode at a constant bitrate than at a variable rate. I know, I know... still beta.

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constant bit rate?

I just did some test with Soreson 3 and I find it's great! I used Apple's pre set QT streaming settings and then changed the codec to Soreson 3. I found on that 40k a second clip looked really good and at 30 sec. the file was 156K. That isn't too bad for streaming at the quality it produced. So the bit rate can be set to what ever rate you want. The highest may be 1 MB a second but at that quality it should look great. I haven't tested CDROM quality yet.

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QuickTime 5

shortly after midnight 2/15 iMovie would stop importing DV video for me, so i restarted and got the "QuickTime Expired" notice. and also found that a lot of stuff doesn't work without quicktime, so i set the date back a year, restarted, and downloaded PP3. installed it, set the date back, and restarted... and i was back up and running in less than 20 minutes. yes, it would have been better if apple gave us a few days to update quicktime, but i've grown dependant on quicktime 5's features, and i'd sooner leave my computer's date a year behind than go back to QT 4.

the new sorenson 3 also looks very promising. it's hard to do very comprehensive tests because the developer version isn't out yet, so i can only do basic encoding. But where i've been using H.263 a lot in the past because sorenson 2 developer edition wasn't good enough for me, i will probably use sorenson 3 from here on in. it's just a shame that sorenson 3 video playback will require users to have quicktime 5 on their computers because that won't be common enough for general distribution for at least a year yet. sorenson 2 could be played back on users with quicktime 3, 4, and 5... giving content creators a much wider audience... but as far as personal use, it looks like sorenson 3 is the winner... especially once the developer's version comes out.

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From the moron

You shouldn't go calling other people names. Go upstairs
and ask your mommy why you shouldn't.

Before you call me a moron, try this: remove QT from your
system, reboot, and see what still works. You'd be
surprised what doesn't.

QT 5 preview worked fine until the time bomb went off.
Then nothing worked. My Mac was a hunk of warm plastic.

Rebooting with extensions on would consistently hang just
after the big Q icon with the red X over it appeared at
the bottom of the screen.

So, I rebooted with extensions off. None of my
browsers worked at all because QT wasn't installed anymore.

I did have a copy of the QT *network* installer, but surprise
surprise, it kept hanging up.

So then it's time to try the System install CD. The QT installer
wouldn't work because I wasn't running from the full blown
installer CD. So I did a complete reinstall.

It was stupid of me to try it out in the first place.
It was even stupider of Apple to put a time bomb in what
is more or less a vital system component. If they were so
concerned about old preview software staying around, what's
wrong with a simple b**** screen to tell you to go back and
upgrade QT to the newest version? Having QT go into a corner
and shoot itself is, well, overkill.

All this hassle just to try out Apple's latest toy and maybe
help them out? Never Again...

Now do you understand?

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More complaining a-coming

More complaints should start rolling in when people realize Apple's going to charge 30 bucks for the pro version of v5.0, no free upgrades this time like with 4.0.

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QT5 beta 3

I was realy pissed off when QT5 preview 2 expired on midnight Wednesday, Right in the middle of playing an mp3 too. I finaly managed to download QT5 b3 after 3 atempts it only took about 40mins (7.1Mb) through my V90 modem.

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Don't rely on PREVIEW

Anybody who lost billable time when the preview release expired is an idiot, and in a corporate environment should be disciplined. Preview software has no absolutely no place on a production machine.

Some people... sheeesh, what are you.. Windows users ?

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1000?

1000 hours is almost 42 days. Umm...

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Beta Software 101

To everyone who finds it odd that QT Preview 5 Expired. This is a standard practice in the software industry. Primarily, it is used so as to ensure that older versions of development software, which are likely to be buggy and unstable have only a limited impact on the end user. Furthermore, it is used to ensure that the development team has firm deadlines that must be met. The fact is that QT 5 Preview 2 is not even a true beta, as Apple has been seeding real Betas to Developers, in paralell to the public preview.

People, Preview is the key word, here. Apple didn't intend regular users to do more than give it a shot for a week or two and then return to 4.1.2 or whatever final was available at the time. This is not some ticking time bomb, as one post puts it. It was a standard development practice.

If you want to use software that doesn't have an expiration date, don't use Beta or Preview software. It's that simple. Please, stop whining.

PS -- I'm a big boy and all grown up and I think that someone should be addressed by the proper title, particlar when they have it coming.

The Cute and Cuddly Moron Guy :-)

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Quicktime and Soundfonts

Since Beta 2 it's been labelled clearly as being able to use Soundfonts.
Having tried everything I can think of, even to the degree of turning a soundfonts file into an extension and calling it "Quicktime Musical Instruments", I cannot get Quicktime to acknowledge that Soundfonts even exist. Here again, it's saying it's got an improved Music Syntesizer than can use Soundfonts. No help files, or discussion I've found, goes into any kind of detail about how to actually use them. Emails directly to Apple go unanswered. Does anyone have any idea HOW to get Soundfonts working in Quicktime?

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the upgrade...

nobody should have spent more than 10 minutes + download time to upgrade to PP3. i mean... how much more obvious can you get... just set the date back, i can't believe people would actually get out their system CDs to try to handle the problem.

Anybody who lost billable time when the preview release
expired is an idiot, and in a corporate environment should
be disciplined. Preview software has no absolutely no
place on a production machine.

unless its quicktime 5 where you need its new codecs to get any reasonable amount of DV work done. let's think about this... what makes more sense... spending 5 hours per project on final release software, or 1/2 hour on each project on something labeled "public preview"? i think the time saved by using quicktime 5 is well worth it in any sort of production environment that uses the new features. my question is... why would someone upgrade who doesn't have any use for the new features? everyone that does DV work, or wants to play sorenson 3 files, should use PP3. everyone else... stay with QT4.

and oh yeah... i don't like quicktime player at all... every time i install quicktime, the first thing i do is delete quicktime player and drop in movieplayer 3. it works 100% better (runs a lot faster and everything)... you don't have those bass and treble controls. oh well.

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What the?

I cant believe that people are slamming Apple over an expired BETA! Now i've heard it all. Maybe some of you just aren't qualified to be installing software, or performing other activities that may require thought. My suggestion is to hire an IT and shut up.

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On Whining

I think people have a right to "whine" about how the expired PR2 was handled. Yes, it is a beta and people should expect problems. Yes, the software license says Apple takes no responsibility for its effects. But the same is true of ANY software license.

My only complaint is Apple not posting the PR3 before PR2 expired. I know Apple is under no obligation to post PR3, but if they don't want a backlash of users (which is what happened to a limited extent) they could have posted the new version earlier. I am in Australia and waking up to an expired quicktime (necessary for a lot of things) with no replacement was a rude shock. manageable, but rude. I was able to download it when the time came in the US, but the US isn't the only place in the world.

I do agree that people complaining abut not knowing when the expiration was to occur is questionable. And some of the reactions were extreme, but so were the "quit whining!" posts.

In any event it isn't the end of the world but it does make Apple look bad.

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QT 5 expiry

5 don't know but all I had to do was set my clock back a few days restart and then set it back. After that just not restart until the new version was released. I could have of course mentioned this earlier, but I found it quite obvious...

Don't worry about this so much.

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e-mail notice

Just checked mail, and I found a notice from Apple...
"
Dear QuickTime Users,

Thank you for providing feedback for QuickTime 5.0 Public Preview. See the following messages if you are having any problems as a result of Public
Preview 1 or 2 expiring.

The expiration of QuickTime Public Previews 1 and 2 has not left you without a QuickTime beta version, though it may have appeared so when you
checked the Apple web site soon after your unpleasant discovery. We apologize for the inconveniences this may have caused. Public Preview 3 is up and
now available for download: "

There's a bunch more stuff, and it's signed at the bottom:

"Adam B. Wells
QuickTime Seeding Coordinator
QuickTime Engineering Group"

Way to go Apple! a BIG thumb's up in my book.

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QT 5 Prev Release snafus

Yup! It's beta software, but the QT PR site doesn't say this! There's no up-front warning before or during installation that QT Preview will expire, leaving you without working media extensions & QT media applications. QT web site boldly promotes Rel 5 good news, but doesn't link you to the Apple Support Discussion pages for QT, etc.
A line-by-line review of the QT 5 README file has zip about expiration dates, or backing up your QT 4 system extensions & applications, or which files are changed, deleted or added. Pretty shoddy in my view.

Future 'Previews' of 'mission-essential' software should boldly declare, 'YOU ARE TESTING INCOMPLETE SOFTWARE THAT WILL EXPIRE WITHOUT WARNING! DO NOT PLACE THIS SOFTWARE IN PRODUCTION ENVIRONMENTS. BACKUP ANY FILES THAT WILL BE REPLACED BEFORE RUNNING INSTALLER. CHECK THE APPLE SUPPORT DISCUSSION WEB SITE FOR THIS PRODUCT BEFORE INSTALLING."

Ina few words, scare the bejazzees out of the just-curious users, and over-do the warnings! There should be a README FIRST or ELSE! file with beta Installers that makes you read it before you can agree to install. I've been in the software biz for over 30 years, and this Preview Release even fooled me! Dumb me! Fortunately we had QT 4.1.2 backup files ready & knew what to do when the unexpected Software Expired messages arrived last week.

My only valid criticism is that Apple dressed up a not-ready-for-primetime systems software release with a built-in expiration clock that gave no warning when it would expire, plus there was no updated release ready when the code expired! Really bad form, eh?

How hard IS IT to compare a fixed expiration date with the current system date and issue a simple message: "QuickTime Preview Release software expires in two days. Please download the latest version or regress to your prior version." The code was already there to announce expiration, compare dates, etc!!

Totally unnecessary aggravation! And dumb-ole-me for not knowing when the preview release would expire!

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Over 3 mins. to boot now!

Installed 5.0b11, works beautifully, but now my PB400, Pismo takes over 3mins to boot!!! From about 40 secs to this.......man I don't know if this is worth it or not.
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