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Belkin may manufacture ADC-to-VGA adapter

updated 10:12 am EST, Fri January 26, 2001

Mac users interested in seeing an ADC-to-VGA adapter brought to market should call Sean Angus of Belkin at (800) 223-5546 to express interest in the product, according to one MacNN reader who spoke with Belkin and learned the company would make such an adapter if there was sufficient demand.

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esplain plees...

Perhaps some other MacNN readers would like MacNN editors to include a short explanation as to what Apple's ADC connector is and what the benefit of such an adaptor would be....

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Why???

Why would anyone need an ADC-to-VGA connector. If your video card has an ADC connector, then it should also have a VGA connector. I think what we really want is way to connect an ADC monitor to a video card that has either VGA or DVI.

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Because...

That way you could drive two VGA monitors with one video card.

Duh.

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Here is why

Becasue I want to use one of those new monitors on a PowerBook. The monitor is ADC and my PB is VGA. Therefore I need a ADC to VGA adaptor.

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Two monitors? not quite

One cannot use two monitors from one ADC/VGA video card. Only one output is active at a time.

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misnomer?

Perhaps what MacNN means is a VGA-ADC adapter, and not an ADC-VGA adapter.

The Apple studio displays come with the ADC adapter on it, and as mentioned above, it would be nice to use it on a powerbook.

http://www.apple.com/displays/acd22/specs.html

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Stick it on

Yeah I think thats what it is. Alot of G4 owners with the PCI graphics model cant use any new displays as the PCI only seemed to have VGA (I know mine does) so having a VGA to ACD or DVI would be very useful...

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ADC-VGA Adaptor

Well all I can say is I am glad I am not Sean Angus, having to field all them calls. Poor bugger!

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Bad Nomenclature

As usual, bad nomenclature by the Mac press has caused large confusion. It is safe to assume that Belkin would not build an ADC to VGA adapter, they must mean a VGA-ADC adapter. Remember, when quoting the style of adapter you require, it is always host-to-peripheral; i.e., computer-to-device.

We've been polling interest for just such a product (though we believe the market is for a DVI-ADC adapter, that less interest exists for a VGA-ADC adapter, due to the hoigh component cost versus cost of Apple Displays.

[url]http://homepage.mac.com/macspecialist/[/url]
[url]http://homepage.mac.com/macspecialist/faq.html[/url]

PS: The contact number given on the main page is incorrect. The correct number is (800) 223-5546 (press 7, spell 'Sean', press #)

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BIIIG Mistake

The ADC stuff is the biggest marketing mistake Apple ever made.
We have 17 Apple TFT monitors running on Windblows machine's
Now they can only sell them to people who buy an overprices cube or a new G4.
No wonder Apple couldn't reach their estimates.
An adapter is very welkom but on top of the price of such a monitor it's going to be easier to buy a third party TFT.
Sony has very nice designs and the IBM's look good also.
And they are a lot cheaper.

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Belkin's Telephone Numbe

I tried calling the 800 number and got one of those damn automated answering systems...:-(

Unless youu know Sean Angus' extension number, you then have to call a toll number to get the party's extension...

Wonder if MacNN would shell out for the call to get his extension so their loyal readers wouldn't have to...?

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Wrong phone number

The correct phone number is (800) 223-5546, not 222-5546. You get a voice mail directory and can leave a voicemail message for Sean Angus.

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dvi to adc converter

you may want to check out the following product by gefen, announced today on macintouch:

http://www.gefen.com/products/extendit/new_kvm_usb_extenders_switches/dvi_to_adc/index.html

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VGA to ADC Adapter

Well, this article has certainly generated a lot of response. My name is Sean Angus and I am the cable marketing product manager for Belkin. I'm not sure how my name got up here but I have been getting calls all morning (please no more calls, I know the demand is there :-). I'm pleased to hear that there is such demand for a VGA to ADC adapter. We have been considering coming out with this product. After the response today, we will be stepping up our efforts to develop this product ASAP.

Plus I have also been getting calls on a DVI to ADC adapter (the reverse from our current ADC to DVI adapter-Part #F2E9142-WHT) . We are working on developing such a product. Timeline TBD as we are in the initial research stages. I am curious as to the demand on this product. Any comments?

Thank you for all your support and comments.

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ADC-to-VGA: Belkin Reply

The ADC connection is strictly digital and the VGA strictly analog. An adapter would be unpractical. Replacing the video card would make more sense. Also, we have a G4 here and it has both a VGA and an ADC connection. Why would you need to adapt when both VGA and ADC or already on board?

Thanks

Jay Bush
Belkin

800-223-5546 x2257

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ADC-to-VGA: BELKIN REPLY

The ADC connection is strictly digital and the VGA strictly analog. An adapter would be unpractical. Replacing the video card would make more sense. Also, we have a G4 here and it has both a VGA and an ADC connection. Why would you need to adapt when both VGA and ADC or already on board?

Thanks

Jay Bush
Belkin

800-223-5546 x2257

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Alphabet Soup

All I want is to be able to hook a Cinema Display to a Powerbook! Is this what we are talking about here? What a shame Apple didn't even offer this capability with the New Powerbook.

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Alphabet Soup

All I want is to be able to hook a Cinema Display to a Powerbook! Is this what we are talking about here? What a shame Apple didn't even offer this capability with the New Powerbook.

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Oh Wonderous!

How odd.. 2 people supposedly from Belkin, disagreeing with each other. One saying we're building, the other saying it's impractical.

Seriously, I'm afraid that this is too little, too late. The damage of the fruit's idiocy has already been felt.. I am no longer interested in such an item. At MWNY last summer, I had decided that I wanted a Cinema Display. Only to learn about the ADC c***. If such an adapter was available then, I would have bought. But on reflection, at this point, no chance. This is nothing more than another Jobs ego thing.. it single-handedly killed all sorts of possible revenue (I know at least half a dozen to a dozen peecee weenies that were eying the Cinema Display.. once they heard about what they had done with the connector, they were A) never going to buy ANY peripherals from Cupertino and B) they will NEVER buy from a company that produces such stupid moves.

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ADC info

Dudes: Check out http://www.hod-electronics.nl/molex_dvi_kabels_en_adapers.html
Looks like Apple is using the ANALOG version of a standard P&D molex A/V connector (presumably using the extra four little pins surrounding the power spade on the connector for USB). The ADC or DVI outputs on the new/older G4s ARE digital and the VGA output on PowerBooks is analog. BUT, ATI's new Radeon board has BOTH analog (VGA) and digital (DVI) outputs. So, I'm getting a Radeon card for my 9600 lab beast and I have this Cinema display I want to use with it so an adapter that connects the two (along with USB and 28V for power) is perfect. I'll buy one (if I don't manage to build one first). I for one REALLY like the single cable with power, USB, and video. In a lab enviroment, the fewer cables you have the BETTER. That goes for home too.

Now, of course, I'd love to connect up a Cinema display to my PowerBook but I suspect that's a ways off. The guy I work with just bought an analog flat panel display for his from Sony and it works peachy.

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NOT a mistake

Apple's move to the ADC was in fact, NOT a mistake, in fact, it was a good move. It is a digital format and the existing digital format, DVI, had some issues with power management or something of the sort that at the end screwed up/fried your monitor. Apple obviously did not want to replace all of these broken monitors so they implemented a better form of digital video, the ADC.

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Hey Mr. "Not a Mistake"

The power management issues you mention were poorly built ac/dc power blobs. I know because my BRAND spanking new, ordered at midnight the first day, Cinema display sat dead on my desk for 47 MotherF^&*ing days till apple sent a new powerblob (I had my dealer order me an additional 2 just in case) ADC is DVI same pinout, same signal (except you cut your potential market by Hmmmm lets see - 99%?). Engage brain - THEN open mouth.

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ADC must be killed dead

Apple sometimes acts as if they don't want customers. The ADC is a prime example of Apple's strategy of making the use of their products as difficult and expensive as possible. The ADC is fine if you own an Apple display. It is irrelevant if you decided to purchase a 3rd party monitor over the overpriced Apple displays. Finally, the ADC effectively prevents any non-mac owners from buying Apple displays. Believe it or not, there are many wintel users that want Apple displays, particularly the Cinema Display. What better way to advertise Apple products than by selling them to Wintel users? Apparently Jobs doesn't wan't the extra business...does he think Apple is too good for them? (well, they are, but not too good for their money).

Apple finally was using the VGA and DVI standards, the norm in the industry. They blew it all with the ADC, and added to the cost of their machines.

Another ill effect of the ADC is that it complicates video card development...Apple needs all the video cards manufacturers they can get, so they shouldn't be making it more difficult to design video cards for macs. Add to this that the extra cost of the ADC is passed on to video card consumers. The Radeon mac version is far more expensive than the wintel version--undoubtedly the ADC is part of the reason.

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ADC Adaptor

I've love to run a 15" LCD Studio Display with my G3, and I'm sure that's a huge demand. (I work for a computer reseller, and we get people that come in all the time to upgrade their displays, only to find out that the new Apple Monitors will only work with new systems.)

I guess the question would be cost... if the adatper would be $100, well, it might not be that big of a hit, but about $50 would sell.

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DVI To ADC

I have a PC with a DVI card, and a G4/AGP with DVI. I would like to connect them both to an Apple ADC Studio Display 15.

Do you have any pricing on this box yet? Do you have a DVI switch?

Steve

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The perfect solution...

...ForMac makes the perfect solution. Although it does run about $800 (and well worth it!) you get the best graphics card on the market to date, AND the dual monitor ports have interchangable modules (yes, MODULES.) :D

You can have DVI, ADC, LVDS, OR SVGA. It solves any and all onversion problems. If you want two SVGA ports, you got it. DVI and an SVGA, you got it. ADC, plug it in. Have an SGI Flatpanel, stick in the LVDS.

It's probably the coolest Mac product I've ever seen to date. However, the ProFormance 4 card is AGP ONLY, unlike its predecessor. Here's a link so you can check it's awsome specs:

http://www.formac.com/2k/products/pf4_products.html

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DVI-to-ADC adaptor

i have been waiting for someone to begin development on this. i have a older G4 with a new ADC studio display. it is nothing more than a desk ornament right now.

this would be great.

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DVI-ADC

The ADC Connector simplifies and serves well the new and future Mac computer buyer; 1 cable instead of 3, no need for an external power supply (always more expensive to produce and qualify as vs. an internal supply) and clearly an attempt to advance toward the future.
Apple likely has a statistic that shows that there are few enough non-new-mac potential buyers (who would spend the extra $$ compared to Sony and Viewsonic, etc.) regardless of anecdotal stories, compared to what Apple can afford to produce now, the cost of dual inventories, and other manufacturing considerations, CE approvals, etc.
History has already shown that Apple should not compete with mass merchandisers, and we users don�t really want them to. We are and always will be a group that wants innovation, ease of use, aesthetics. While the dollar amount may be apparently higher, the value makes up for it. While we are a minority, the experiment is find and cater to enough of �the rest of us.�
It seems so easy to complain for people typing, but when a company like Gefen, (who has supported the Mac community with converters for years- http://www.gefen.com ), produces the DVI to ADC box, they have their development and overhead costs plus, in this case they need to supply an external power supply, not an inexpensive item at 28Volts and multi amperages. So, a pin to pin box is not going to be cheap-the new mac computer/monitor buyer got that hidden savings benefit plus a quicker and cleaner set-up.
BMW doesn�t need to make their engines or suspensions available to other manufacturers to be successful and if it does, it is frosting on the cake only if done profitably. Same with Apple.
Jobs and Cie must take care of Mac buyers first. Though my legacy units (only months old!) don�t get the benefits, since I/we users come back over and over, I�ll reap the benefits later.
PS-My bet is that the huge Belkin will not make this converter. A large expternal power supply and a niche market is not their typical fare.

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Apple vs. Apple

Good old Apple, another PowerBook that won't work with an Apple Monitor - just VGA!

Not Surprised

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the real issue IMO

Apple has gone proprietary again! Just when it was easy to say to your IT person "all monitors are the same" now it will be back to "oh, that is a Mac monitor".
Yes folks, just when the Apple Snicker Factor (ASF) was dieing, Apple gets a non-standard connector! Next we will have an Apple Ethernet Connecter (remember the headaches with the AUII or whatever they were??).

The real thing to do here folks is to call, write, send smoke signals to, or drop leaflets to Apple, your Apple representative and tell them how ridiculous the ADC really is for people outside of that whacky place called 1 Infinite Loop.

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Another Problem

Obviously, the aim of this adapter is to allow owners of older Macs to be able to use Apple's new ADC monitors. But there's yet another problem: there is currently no selection of video cards available with ADC; i.e., other than maybe the Radeon that's listed at Applestore (I'm not even certain if this is available other than as a BTO option with new Macs). This means that people with older Macs and VGA monitors can upgrade to the latest video cards (Radeon, Voodoo5, ProFormance, etc.), but people with newer Macs and ADC monitors can't. So in reality, owners of both older and newer Macs are getting shafted by ADC. If you have an older Mac without ADC, you can't use the new Apple monitors. If you have a newer Mac with ADC, you can't buy a different video card.

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um...

well this type of adapter would be for those who only have VGA on their card and wanted to use an ADC monitor.

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I requested this too...

I actually called Belkin a few weeks ago asking for this. I have a Beige G3 with DVI on a Voodoo 5. I went to purchase one of Apple's new monitors and realized I couldn't use it! bummer for them and me. This product will help. I see that all the new G4 users have a converter that goes the other way. I NEED this product.

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Adapters

Both ADC and VGA to DCI adapters wpuld be very desirable.
I am an Apple ASE working with creators in multi-media as well as publishing .

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DVI-ADC YES YES

Go for it I want one, where can I get it ASAP

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ADC ADAPTERS

This is really cool. It wouuldn't benefit me personally, but i know that somany of my pc buddies would kill to get an ADC monitor because if their quality/price and looks (they are going mac eventually). IU just widh that apple would ditch ADC as it would open up their market for monitors to the entire pc market.

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