What, you were expecting a miracle?

Oh, and that post by mgpalma was hilarious! "My way or the highway". Priceless...

Several outlets are reporting that there's a bug that makes it crash constantly on G5's with more than 2 GB of RAM.

"Why does everything have to involve politics?"
because quite a bit in life really does. it's one of the points we need to drive into young voters minds so they understand why they should be interested in politics and vote.

as for vpc 7, i've heard for weeks now that it wouldn't have any speed improvements and i've noticed i don't use my 6.x as much anymore because of sluggishness. well, that and i hate the windows experience. can i downgrade any and maybe get some performance back? what I don't understand is why it takes "the next few months" to get versions with xp home and win 2k out.

Finally. My employer steadfastly uses WordPerfect. At least now I will be able to get some work done using my G5.

Gross generalizations are never wise to use, especially considering you only need to look at polls from the major media outlets to know that your statement is completely inaccurate. Anyway, I choose not to live in a world of hatred, but others choose differently. Such is life.

once you have vpc, you can install win2k or any other software yourself. winXP is a horrible bloated beast. win2k runs much smoother. find a copy and try it out - you don't have to wait for M$ to release it as a bundle.

however, if you're on a dual G5, even winXP works really well.

>What, you were expecting a miracle?
I expecting less crappy than the old version.

rbarry, yes exactly my thoughts. it makes me think they are either pushing xp pro first to make some extra cash or there is something they need to do to xp home and win2k to make them play nice with vpc 7. again, i just don't understand why they are putting off other versions of windows for a few months if we can do our own installs to begin with. i'm pretty sure vpc 7 with win2k included instead of xp pro costs less. just a quirk i don't get in this whole release.

as for my way or the highway
bush campaign: my way or your kids will die
many bush supporters (no not all of em): don't like it, get out of the country

I've benn using since early last week (didn't even realize I got it early, came from CDW) on a 1.3 GHZ PB, 1.5 GB of RAM and I do find it to be noticeably faster than v6, which I had been running. Not to say that it's speedy, but to say there is NO improvement is, by my observation, incorrect.

-What, you were expecting a miracle?
I expecting less crappy than the old version.

From Microsoft? Well, I guess anything is possible. But it sounds like people expecting the politicians they elect not to be a bunch of self-serving theives out for their and their party's good, not their constituents.

Ah, to be naive again...

if they would only produce Streets & Trips for the Mac I would have no need for this shite....

bush campaign: my way or your kids will die

Last I checked people volunteered to join the armed services. If you don't want to fight, don't join the military-just like any other job. Last poll of military personnel showed 75% believed strongly that we were doing the right thing in Iraq. So what do you say to those kids? Their opinion doesn't count (the highway quote comes to mind)?

many bush supporters (no not all of em): don't like it, get out of the country

Who, get out of what country? It doesn't really matter and this has absolutely nothing to do with VirtualPC 7, which I greeted with a big yawn.

Ciao!

Well, depends exactly what you want. I find DosBOX and Radnor a great combination for running DOS stuff. The emulation isn't great in terms of newer stuff though, so it might not be best for emuing windows. Anyway, it's all free as far as I know.

DosBox : http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/14973
Radnor : http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/14936

Someone confirm something - Radnor's icon is from the old dos Dune game, right?

Jon

Paco, glad someone is getting some boost out of it. Maybe I will give it a chance once it hits the public full swing and we can get some more feedback on the performance.

once again i have been misinterpreted. why can't people read?
ok mgpalma, i was not referring to military service, but rather, to the repeated reference to the fact that if Kerry is elected we will be attacked again, appealing to mothers everywhere in the terms of "your kids will die" instead of simply my way or the highway. I am sorry i could not have presented it clearer to you initially. as for your big yawn, well, you did take on the highway quote which had nothing to do with vpc to begin with before i even had a chance. staying on topic is a hard thing to do when both of us keep going back and forth leaving something open ended to answer. I felt I had to clarify the first point and with that, I am finished with this. See ya tomorrow morning MacNN! More news to read!

Tried three times to install VP7 on my 2.5-G5. Each time as XP stried to start up the "grey mulitlanguage screen of death" appeared. I've tried removing all prior installations, removing every file that even hinted it was associated with Virtual PC, no luck. Call to M$ yielded long wait, promise to call back in two hours (actually, 6, when I had left for the day) and no joy at all. This is the only reason I bought the professional edition of Office 2004, and it seems to have been a poor decision. Any ideas why this shold occur? Is it really true that M$ has put out some defective installation disks?

I've heard that VPC7 will crash on a G5 with more than 2GB of RAM.
Can anyone confirm?

So, it's long overdue, and important features were stripped out so it could be shipped sooner?

Are we talking about VPC, or Longhorn?

"Microsoft: Late & Lousy."

As much as it pains me to say this, the signs are clear that any "sluggishness" that is apparent in VPC these days comes as a consequence of running in the OSX environment, not that M$ is now developing it (believe me, I ain't happy about this ownership, at all...). If you run VPC 4 (Connectix) side by side with VPC 6 (M$) in Mac OS 9.1 (or any Classic style environment, but not TruBlu), the speed and responsiveness are nearly equal, if at all different. It is unavoidable to conclude that it is OSX that introduces a major speed hit, unfortunately.

To elaborate on the kind of OSX speed hit we are talking about, a BW G3 350 running VPC in OS 9.1 seemingly runs circles around a G4 800 running VPC in 10.3.4, in responsivesness. Both are running with "plenty" of memory available for the app. Actual computational speed on persistant tasks on these platforms may be a bit closer, but the gut feel is that the BW G3 350 MHz and OS 9.1 ends up actually as the more desireable platform to run in this comparo- a pathetic 350 MHz from 1990-something!

I would liken the performance of OSX VPC to that of VPC 3.x running on top machines of that era. FWIW, an OS install on OSX VPC may take *hours* whereas the same in OS 9.1 VPC will take about *an* hour.

I ordered the MS Office Professional Suite with the Tech Guarantee Upgrade. I called MS yesterday and they said that it would be 4 - 6 weeks before VPC7 shipped? Anyone else have that experience?

Actually, part of the problem here is comparing an earlier product (which may not have as many features, or in the case of VPC, as well integrated) with a later version, AND a product running on a Cooperative OS (OS 9, so VPC can get all the processor cycles it wants) vs a Preemptive OS (where it has to share, no matter what). That last part alone probably accounts for some of the 'slowness'. Not to mention that, theoretically, OS X protects the hardware layer more than OS 9, so VPC for OS X has to go through more layers to do hardware tasks.

cfwagoner : "i was not referring to military service, but rather, to the repeated reference to the fact that if Kerry is elected we will be attacked again."

That is a frequent misrepresentation of what has been said.

Terrorists will attack us again regardless of who is president. The issue is not about whether or not we will be attacked.

The problem started in September when excerpts of some of Cheney's statements were taken out of context. Because Cheney was kind of rambling a bit, it was easy for people to twist the meaning.

Cheney said "the danger is that we'll get hit again...and that we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mind-set...that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts, and that we're not really at war. I think that would be a terrible mistake for us."

However, people continue to misrepresent him by claiming that he said we would be attacked if Kerry is elected.

The issue is not about whether or not we will be attacked if Kerry is elected. The issue is about how Kerry would deal with an attack if he were president.

If you objectively employ quality reading comprehension skills then you will see that my previous post accurately reflects the situation.

Here is the full quote with all subordinate clauses included :

"It’s absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on November 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again, that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States, and that we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mind-set, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts, and that we're not really at war. I think that would be a terrible mistake for us."