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Apple New Zealand store launches, runs Microsoft app

updated 08:50 am EDT, Tue April 27, 2004

Apple New Zealand store

Apple's New Zealand online store is rather than Apple's own Mac OS X, according to Computerworld: "The new site, which launched on Monday, sells direct to the public and is similar in look and feel to the other Apple online stores around the world, however it is run by Renaissance, the local Apple distributor. Head of Renaissance's Apple division Paul Johnston says he is aware of the incongruity....'It uses SQL Server in the back end and the pages are written in ASP. If we wanted to change that over at a later date to PHP, which Apple uses, there's no problem with that whatsoever.'"

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mbryda
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04/27, 09:16am | report spam | close Reply |
They should be shut down

Period. Not a good message to send to your potential clients.

No M$ software should be running an Apple online store. What next - the servers are h*** Boxen?

iJed
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04/27, 09:23am | report spam | close Reply |
Apple use WebObjects

Apple use WebObjects which, as far as I am aware, can be deployed on any JSP compliant server. WebObjects applications are written in Java and not PHP.

nat
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04/27, 09:24am | report spam | close Reply |
agreed

what is this bs? "hey! buy our stuff, it's great! of course, we don't use it, but trust us!"

if it's no problem to switch it then SWITCH IT!

beb
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04/27, 09:27am | report spam | close Reply |
um... so what?

Microsoft uses some G5s for development of Xbox2 software. Why does Apple have to use only Macs? If they use a Sun box or an SGI system are they gonna get smacked as well?

loudgazelle
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04/27, 09:28am | report spam | close Reply |
no s***...

this guy is a grade-a-moron.
Apple uses webobjects. It's their own freaking software... look at the URL's on their site.

Glitz
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04/27, 09:43am | report spam | close Reply |
Good for you, not us.

It really looks bad. Apple trying desperately to push Xserves and OS X Server in to the enterprise market, particularly promoting it's great webserving capabilities. Yet their own distributors decide to use non-Apple hardware and software for their own business! Apparently Renaissance believes Microsoft make better server software than Apply... maybe they're in the wrong business?

mitchell_pgh
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04/27, 09:46am | report spam | close Reply |
Not Apple's

This is NOT Apple's site!

It is a company that sells Apple computers.

Do a simple whois search on the domain. It's now owned by Apple.

Grrrrrr....

jcarr
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04/27, 09:48am | report spam | close Reply |
Not Apple

The site is not run by Apple. It's run by Renaissance Limited, Apple's New Zealand distributor.. A quick look at the 'About Us' section of the contact page confirms this.

Another vitory for 'copy and paste' journalism.

bobolicious
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04/27, 09:49am | report spam | close Reply |
How many car plants...

...have workers driving their cars...?

gudin
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04/27, 09:52am | report spam | close Reply |
good move.

Why would anyone CHOOSE IIS and all it's security issues, when they could easily run the site on any mac, including an old iMac G3 with Apache?

The bit about PHP is rather odd too. WebObjects, not PHP. They could even use WebObjects on IIS if they were so inclined (though, again, WHY????)

It's dumb. I could care less if they have windows boxes there for development purposes of some natures, or for some general grunt work, but if you sell servers, USE what you sell.

z10n
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04/27, 09:53am | report spam | close Reply |
Oh god.

Who the h*** cares what server they're using?

More c*** for fanboys to b**** over. More hits for MacNN. MacNN bosses happy.

sambeau
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04/27, 09:56am | report spam | close Reply |
Did you even check it?

Click through to the site. It is not Apple it is just a reseller.

Be proper journalists. Check the story before hitting the publish button..

:sheesh:

JLL
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04/27, 10:01am | report spam | close Reply |
Re: good move

The bit about PHP is rather odd too. WebObjects, not PHP. They could even use WebObjects on IIS if they were so inclined (though, again, WHY????)

Perhaps you should try and read the article.

nat
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04/27, 10:33am | report spam | close Reply |
do they sell pc's?

if they sell pc's and mac's no problem. if they sell just mac's then problem. would you buy something from someone who doesn't actually use it? this ain't like a worker at a mac store having a pc at home. this is somebody telling you that acme widgets are the best around, so good they only sell acme's, and then find out that their store is built using a different brand of widget.

and what the h*** does m$ using g5's have to do with it? the xbox is going to use g5's.

gudin
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04/27, 11:00am | report spam | close Reply |
re: re: good move

"'The bit about PHP is rather odd too. WebObjects, not PHP. They could even use WebObjects on IIS if they were so inclined (though, again, WHY????)'

Perhaps you should try and read the article."

Perhaps you should read the post you are responding to, before you get snotty.

Apple's store uses WebObjects, not PHP. The article says Apple uses PHP. In any event, if they WANTED to, they could have a WebObjects site hosted on IIS, but why would they want to? I understand they currently have it hosted by a company using asp, but if they're Apple's distributor, they might want to use Apple's hardware and software.

If they are a distributor of multiple things, and the site is part of a larger site also selling PCs, then you whatever floats your boat. This does not appear to be the case here.

klinux
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04/27, 12:47pm | report spam | close Reply |
What the?

What is with these childish sentiments that zealots have that all journalists are hacks?

If you RTFA, it clealy states that Apple's NZ store is owned by Renaissance who is hosted by (and uses an ERP from ) Conduit which requires them to use IIS and MS SQL. So remind me what is wrong with the article?

Oh, maybe you don't like the fact that someone associated with Apple is using MS software? So whiners, why don't you send some money to Renaissance so they can pick a different host and a different ERP system and help them with an integration.

gudin , why don't you send them your old iMac G3 running Apache? I am sure that will be perfectly suited to run an enterprise-level e-commerce solution simply because it has an Apple logo on it?

Heck, why should Apple even sell MS products? Why not make 10.x incompatible with MS's mice?

Kenneth
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04/27, 01:13pm | report spam | close Reply |
Netcraft said unknown

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=store.apple.co.nz

outZider
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04/27, 02:16pm | report spam | close Reply |
Here's what's wrong:

"Oh, maybe you don't like the fact that someone associated with Apple is using MS software? "

One reason why this is wrong. "http://store.apple.co.nz". It implies that it is an Apple site, and most people don't know that it's held by someone else. There's the info at the top of the page, but the fact is, most people don't pay that attention. Half of the links on Microsoft's site link offsite. But you know what? They're required to run certain types of software and hosting. A major requirement is that they're running on Windows 2000 or 2003, with IIS, and if they are using a database, it MUST be SQL Server. If they're offering this hosting for Apple, Apple needs to lay the smack down and demand they use Apple hardware and software.

z10n
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04/27, 04:10pm | report spam | close Reply |
Yep

God. MS might suck a**, they may be lying, cheating, copiers who want to enslave mankind. But ultimately, who cares? Things are the way they are. Why do people have to throw a hissy fit when they're forced to use MS stuff, or they hear that someone else is using MS stuff? Guess what, it's wasted energy. Apple is not listening to your rebukes anyway. So why get all upset about it?

MS copied apple. Apple copyed Xerox. Xerox probably copied off someone else. It happens! NOBODY just sits in a room for 20 years, completely isolated from every other human being, and suddenly they come up with the greatest invention ever. Everyone rips off of everyone else! That is why I'm not suprised when I hear MS occationally uses macs, and now it seems apple occationally uses MS stuff. Believe it or not, each system has it's own advantages and disadvantages. It's perfectly normal to take advantage of someone else's ideas, when the opportunity suits itself.

"Would you buy something from someone who doesn't actually use it?"

YES god dammit! Why should -I- care what someone else uses? If I like macs, if they are useful to me, then I'll use them. I couldn't care less if even the entire world hates macs. It doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't matter to you either. Stick with what you like, and let the rest of the world stew itself on MS c***.

BTW, Apple using a product from someone else isn't intended to be a public endorsement of their product. It's only because people are so critical of apple that this fact was even discovered, let alone published in an article for everyone to read it. Maybe in this particular case, the MS server suited apple's use better for what they are trying to do with it? (This statement is moot because it's not even apple using the MS server, but another company.) By hypothetically speaking, so what if they did? It doesn't mean they think their own product is c***, it just means they found a use for a product from someone else. Maybe they got it really cheap. Maybe there's a flaw in their own product that they are working on right now and they didn't have the time to wait for the fix. There could be a million reasons.

Stop it with the old "us vs them" mentality. It doesn't work any more. Microsoft, windows, they won. They have 95% marketshare. So what is apple doing? They are focusing on new markets, like digital devices. And that's what they should be doing. Instead of bitching and moaning that they'll never gain marketshare, because people are lazy, and don't want to unlearn windows.

Maclectic
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04/27, 07:49pm | report spam | close Reply |
Should use Apple hw/sw

outZider makes the correct point.

Remember the whole point of the original article ("Apple store fails dog food test") is that Apple doesn't "eat its own dogfood". Which in computer industry parlance means it doesn't use it's own products for implementing systems for their company which could be using Apple HW and SW.

Microsoft has been criticized similarly for using Apache for some their bigger web servers until public opinion shamed them into switching to IIS.

The general point is that if Apple has the guts to say they have a better web serving solution for E-commerce it seems stupid for one of their distributors using an Apple domain to use IIS from Microsoft. It would be like Ford having company cars from Chevy (although if they were smart they would all use Toyota).

- Maclectic

gudin
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04/27, 08:38pm | report spam | close Reply |
Sheesh...

I don't know if blind fanaticism is more annoying, or if people who seem to want to prove their own superiority by differentiating themselves from the fanatics are.

No, it's not a big deal that someone associated with apple uses a non-apple product. It is, however, at the very least, a bad marketing move to try and sell your products as enterprise class, but not showing sufficient confidence in your own products to use them for the exact purposes you are selling them for.

It's far from the end of the world, but clearly Computerworld felt it was significant enough to publish an article about it. Is this really that hard to grasp?

dru
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04/27, 08:40pm | report spam | close Reply |
Definitely not Apple

The site is a cheesy rip-off and not as slick as Apple's US store. It says CLEARLY at the top right of the site that it is Renaissance Limited, Apple Division's site. At the bottom it says (C) Renaissance Limited.

Who is the idiot wroting this "journalism" and how much is he paid by Microsoft or one of Gate's shell companies?

klinux
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04/27, 10:48pm | report spam | close Reply |
No duh

How much are you being paid by Jobs to rehash the tired argument? The article clearly stated what the company's relation to Apple is. Regardless, that site IS the de facto store of Apple NZ which is the article's point.

Rather than calling the journalist being paid by MS and an idiot, look in the mirror first.

LouZer
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04/28, 01:27am | report spam | close Reply |
Re: here what's wrong

One reason why this is wrong. "http://store.apple.co.nz". It implies that it is an Apple site, and most people don't know that it's held by someone else. There's the info at the top of the page, but the fact is, most people don't pay that attention.

One reason why you people are all idiots is that 99.999% of all people visiting the site don't know what underlying web tech its running, and therefore wouldn't know whether it was IIS or Apache or anything else. Its not like there's a big "Running on MS IIS" on the page. What do all you idiots do, anyway. Before you go to a site, you go to netcraft to see what its running so you know whether they're using IIS or something else?

talisker
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04/28, 09:09pm | report spam | close Reply |
Rip Off My Arse

OK folks, you can all do run clever little queries on the domain name and find it's not really Apple's site, and therefore it's a "cheesy rip-off". Unfortunately you are not aware of the reality of the situation. In New Zealand, all Apple products are distributed through Renaissance. They are not a reseller in the style of Mac Warehouse or suchlike in the US (i.e. one of many). They are the sole importer appointed by Apple to distribute their products, in lieu of a full scale Apple presence in the country. They do not have their own retail stores. There are plenty of Apple resellers, but they get everything through Renaissance. This is them selling direct for the first time, and so is in effect an "official" Apple store.
Oh yeah, and who gives a toss about what sort of server it runs on for gods sake.

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Apple New Zealand store launches, runs Microsoft app

updated 08:50 am EDT, Tue April 27, 2004

Apple New Zealand store

They should be shut down

Apple use WebObjects

agreed

um... so what?

no s***...

Good for you, not us.

Not Apple's

Not Apple

How many car plants...

good move.

Oh god.

Did you even check it?

Re: good move

do they sell pc's?

re: re: good move

What the?

Netcraft said unknown

Here's what's wrong:

Yep

Should use Apple hw/sw

Sheesh...

Definitely not Apple

No duh

Re: here what's wrong

Rip Off My Arse

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