After installing, Mac OS X 10.3.3 launched the setup assistant (?) asking me to register the computer and also seems like my Keychain was reset--all new access require a new confirmation dialog. Are other people seeing these (relatively minor) glitches?

Ran update on eMac DVD-R
going well sofar -
no problem.

I am curious to know what updates have been made to Safari ? anyone know - is it a new version?

The video drivers definitely _are_ updated. Not sure about nvidia fixes but the Radeon 9600/9700/9800 now support point and line antialiasing and line/polygon stipple which were all missing before.

and also seems like my Keychain was reset--all new access require a new confirmation dialog. Are other people seeing these (relatively minor) glitches?

This happens a lot, usually whenever there's a new security update or the like.

This just blows! How come apple hasn't come out with a 10.3.3 updater for us 10.2.8 users? I can't believe that just because we won't update to Panther they won't give us these bug fixes and extra features.

And what's the deal with this requiring a Mac? What do you mean I can't install it on my Dell box. This really blows, forcing users to buy a whole new computer system just to get this update.

And when is Apple going to release a version of 10.3.3 that will work with my iPod??? I mean, really, I don't want to be hauling around my iBook everywhere, but I need my files, Office, email, etc. Once the iPod can run OS X at 1024x768 (minimum) in full color on its 2 inch screen, then they'll have a killer player and OS. But until then, I'm going to have to stick to my copy of Windows 3.1. As my Mom used to say, "You can't do better than the Program Manager!"

The combo updater can be installed even over itself, so if you do the small update you can later run the Combo Updater on the same install (so far in 10.3.x there has only been the 10.3.1 small updater, then 10.3.2 which was always a combo updater)

It remains to be seen if 10.3.3 is just a small update, or if it's already a Combo.

After the previous update, my boot time jumped a minute and a half. After installing 10.3.3, the speed is back. Had been 3:20, it's now 2:20. G4 dual 1gig.

Just installed 10.3.3. Boot time (reboot) went from 1:05 to 1:25. Seems to pause after displaying the first window frame, then seconds later fills in the contents of the window. Never did that before. Also has an additional pause just prior to displaying the dock. Hope this isn't a hint of things to come. Let you know more later. (1.4G DP G4, FW800)

My PowerBook 667 starts up faster now. I'm now back to the really fast speed I got right after I clean installed Panther for the first time.

Use System Profiler to take a look at the revision dates on the extensions installed. You will see that the video drivers have been updated (with a revision date of March 7, 2004 (i.e. just over a week ago) for both the ATI and nVidia cards.

Well I installed 10.3.3 on my g3, that has a gig of ram, It seems a little faster, Safari loads pages faster now. So far so good. I am installing the updates on my imacs as well. i will let you know how that goes.

The slow boot time in 10.3.2 was a known issue because Apple changed something that prevented caching parts of the process. There was a bit of a hack you could to to bring speeds back up, but since 10.3.3 fixes that among many, many other things, there's not much need for it now.

As for this, I've installed it on my work DPG4 1.0, and so far very good: Snappy reboots (the first one will be slow, by the way), SMB browsing seems to work much better, and mounted volumes FINALLY appear both on the desktop and in the finder sidebar, regardless of how you mount them! Yay!

The release notes also claim that it now supports UPSes natively--I'm itching to try that on my home computer, but I'm holding out for a combo updater and a day or two of reports on the web before I mess with my precious G5.

Works faster on my imac, which has 160megs of ram. Faster browseing and startup time.

Gah, the bug that messes up Camino is still there. Supposedly, Apple has had this fixed internally for months. Why won't they release it?! And people complained about MS bundling IE with Windows? At least Microsoft never intentionally broke competing browsers.

I don't know what they changed but, subjectively, Halo (1.0.4.1) seems to run at the same speed with pixel shaders as it used to with just vertex shaders. This is on a dual g5 2.0 with 4Gb and a 9800.

The Mail permission "bug" STILL hasn't been fixed!!!!! This is soooo irritating! All attachments *dragged* out of Mail are read-only!?!?!?! Why!?!?!?

My Apple bluetooth mouse seems more precise and less sluggish. Apple has also updated the battery meter in the Bluetooth section of the mouse & keyboard pane. It shows 5 bars instead of a continuous readout.

"At least Microsoft never intentionally broke competing browsers."

Have you ever used Windows? No, 10 minutes browsing with your roommates XP Dell doesn't count.

Installing any MS "update" is like playing Russian roulette. Every time one of our users installs one, *something* stops working. Usually, it's a competitor's product. Coincidence? Hmmmmmm.

The optical outputs on the DVD player now pass Dolby Digital on the G5 AND allows you to pause the DVD without messing up playback and sound. Thanks Apple.

1.33 Powerbook with 1 gig ram

Fan now cycles needlessly with nothing running and next to cold to the touch.

Don't like this at all. Previously only rarely, if ever, heard the fan even in Photoshop, etc.

iTunes now clocks 30-33 frames in Visualizer, still jerky however.

Activity monitor shows nothing running above 2%.

Fan only shuts off with everything quit.

Back to 10.3.2 here

2nd startup after installing went nice and fast!

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I just went to the Apple website-and the standalone installer for the v 10.3.3 update is 67MB, for Mac OS X Server it is 69MB. There does not appear to be a downloable combo installer.

Can anyone confirm if the above was fixed? Prior problems, of course, being that RAM over 256MB would cause problems with screen draws.

"Have you ever used Windows? No, 10 minutes browsing with your roommates XP Dell doesn't count.

Installing any MS 'update' is like playing Russian roulette. Every time one of our users installs one, *something* stops working. Usually, it's a competitor's product. Coincidence? Hmmmmmm."

Actually, I've been using Windows a lot longer than Mac. My main machine is running Windows XP (and I'm typing this now on my XP machine). I haven't had any problems with Windows Update, but that's not really the point of this conversation. Even if MS intentionally broke competing products, that doesn't make it okay for Apple to do it. This isn't about OS wars. This is about doing what's right.

FIX IT, APPLE!

"Installing any MS "update" is like playing Russian roulette. Every time one of our users installs one, *something* stops working. Usually, it's a competitor's product. Coincidence? Hmmmmmm."


Dude, honestly I hate MS as much as anybody, but most of these breakages are because they test their updates with 3rd-party software, not deliberate sabotage.

Not that they haven't deliberately sabotaged 3rd-party software in the past (DR. DOS or Lotus 1-2-3, anyone?), but in the wake of the antitrust ruling I doubt anyone at MS would risk this kind of thing.

Gah, the bug that messes up Camino is still there. Supposedly, Apple has had this fixed internally for months. Why won't they release it?! And people complained about MS bundling IE with Windows? At least Microsoft never intentionally broke competing browsers.

Well, first, you should be a little more clear about the 'bug' that messes up camino. I've never heard of this bug. Second, why are you still running camino. I thought Firefox was the latest version of this c***. Third, I love that 'supposedly'. Where do you here this 'supposedly' from. The wonderful 'unnamed sources'. Some real substantiated proof that its been fixed but being held back is more impressive than a 'supposedly'. Oh, and by the way, they may have 'fixed' it, but did it ever occur to you that the problem is that its not broken, but rather Camino that is broken, and only works correctly if Apple breaks some of their own code. (This has been an issue with most OSes, where programmers code around anomalies, which then causes the OS maker to either keep the bug - a bad choice - or break the apps that count on the bug - another bad choice. Me, I'd like to see proof of this so-called intentional breakage).

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224213

If you read the comments there, you'll see that it's been confirmed that it's an Apple bug and that it's Apple themselves who said they fixed it.

I'd use Firefox, but Firefox for OS X isn't up to par yet. It's been in development for Windows/*NIX for much longer. I'd use Safari, but there are a few features from the Mozilla world I can't live without.

Ooh, I just found this, which adds most of the missing features to Safari. Hello bookmark keywords and type-ahead find! I'd still like Apple to do the right thing, but this could be a good temporary solution.

http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/

System requirements: "Mac OS X 10.3 or later".

the peice of s*** known as teh finder got worse. there is a bit of laggyness to things like right clicking multiple files, selecting multiple items, and trying to delete multiple items. God help you if you wnat to move multiple items to the trash and ONE SINGLE FILE is locked, it will stop dead in its trax and tell you you cant do it cuz its locked. Pretty S***** problem STILL not fixed.

Great update! Solved most of the myriad of problems faced by those in mixed network environments (that is, the Mac plays much better with Windows networks now).

But one question - has anyone gotten the UPS thing to work? (I wonder if I accidentally unplugged my UPS' USB port.)

If you read the comments there, you'll see that it's been confirmed that it's an Apple bug and that it's Apple themselves who said they fixed it.

Well, here's an idea, don't resize the window! (But this is coming from someone who doesn't even know what an iFrame is, or why I should care about it).

BTW, I read the listing. It was confirmed to be a cocoa bug by one poster (not that I'm smart enough to look at his code sample, but I doubt someone would be stupid enough to put up code that showed a bug unless it actually showed it - without some of that famous MS "missing some steps" or "hacking the code" they did in the antitrust trial).

But the only mention of it being fixed was through another 'reliable' source, with the line "this bug has been reported to apple and, according to them, fixed."

"Objection, your honor! Hear-say!". "Sustained".

Its hard to judge reboot times on the first reboot, since the system is obviously doing something that's long/drawn out during that stage. The second reboot was definitely faster than the first (wish I could remember why I rebooted the second time, probably just to see if it was faster).

That being said, my reaction would be "who cares?". I close my iBooks lid when I'm done with it, open it up when I need it, and its available instantly (which is oh so nice). The only time it reboots is when I install these freakin' updates.

My desktop goes to sleep when I'm done with it as well. Why are you all shutting down and rebooting all the time?

"But one question - has anyone gotten the UPS thing to work? (I wonder if I accidentally unplugged my UPS' USB port.)"

Works great for me (APC 725 on Dual G5). I had to test it shortly after installing 10.3.3 (due to a very timely power outage), and it worked great. Put the display to sleep, then the computer, and finally shut the computer down. Very handy.

we installed the 10.3.3 update on a g4 with Panther server. the install went fine and we restsrted. but ALL of our server settings got erased (users, web server, NetBoot, etc). You think Apple would have tested this update first. Now I have to rebuild the stupid server again. Install the OSX 10.3.3 Server update at your own risk!!!!!!

"Can anyone confirm if the above was fixed? Prior problems, of course, being that RAM over 256MB would cause problems with screen draws."

This was fixed with 10.3.2 (or even 10.3.1)!

Another thing to add to the infamously stupid left bar.

Apple, here's a tip: the Finder is NOT iTunes.

Has anyone confirmed that the SuperDrive will now play DVD+R discs. I have an original SD in a G4 DP 800 and it still won't recognize DVD+R discs I burned on my standalone DVD recorder (LiteOn).

A better question is: what "+" drives does the new DVD player support? Only the Superdrive?

Well, here's an idea, don't resize the window! (But this is coming from someone who doesn't even know what an iFrame is, or why I should care about it).

BTW, I read the listing. It was confirmed to be a cocoa bug by one poster (not that I'm smart enough to look at his code sample, but I doubt someone would be stupid enough to put up code that showed a bug unless it actually showed it - without some of that famous MS "missing some steps" or "hacking the code" they did in the antitrust trial).

But the only mention of it being fixed was through another 'reliable' source, with the line "this bug has been reported to apple and, according to them, fixed."

"Objection, your honor! Hear-say!". "Sustained".

I don't know why people insist on defending Apple when they're wrong, but here we go.

The problem is actually worse than what the bug report states. A bug report isn't really the place for people to be bitching, but check the mozillazine forums for more symptoms. The worst thing is sometimes large sections of a page will be white or covered by a floating Google ad as you scroll. It's quite annoying.

Mike Pinkerton (the guy who posted the testcase and reported the bug being fixed by Apple) is the lead developer for Camino. He knows what he's talking about. David Hyatt also made a comment there. He was the person who started the Camino/Chimera project, as well as the Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox project, but you may know him better as one of the main developers of Safari. If a prominent Apple employee admits the problem, then I believe him. You're welcome to make up your own mind.

leave it to these f****** dumb a** isync creators to COMPLETELY del;ete ALL contacts on an ipod insteda of sharing the cpontacts with everything else. why is it that isync would erase my ipod contacts instead of sending them to everything else. complete bullshit. Apple's quality is starting to really go down the drain and its not a good thing at all. f*** apple and their fucked up priorities.

After updating to 10.3.3 my rev b 12" PB G4 went loopers. It got bioling hot and the fan has been on all day. I just looked at the Activity monitor and there was a process called Null that used up all CPU and >1 GB of virtual memory. I force quit the process. Everything worked fine so it probably was not that important. Total cpu usage went down to 10-20% with Safari, Entourage, Mail (yes, both), iChat running and Airport on. Will see if it gets less hot now.