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Mozilla 0.7

updated 02:26 pm EST, Sun January 14, 2001

Max Muller sent us a note about the most recent update to Mozilla.org's open-source browser project:

Just thought you might be interested that Mozilla 0.7 has been released. This is the next major milestone after the 0.6 release (which was exactly the same as Netscape 6). On the site you can download a Mac installer. Works much better than Mozilla 0.6/Netscape 6. I haven't seen too much talk about this in the Mac community which is a shame, the project definitely needs more Mac testers. Mozilla has the potential of being a truly incredible browser.

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Secutity

Mozilla 0.7 runs better then Netscape 6 (and Moz 0.6) and includes support for SSL.

It shaping up to be a great browser...

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vs. IE 5?

How does it compare to IE 5 in terms of speed and stability?

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It's too late...

Mozilla 0.7? What am I supposed to do? Use buggy, pre-release software instead of a solid, stable (and fast) browser? h***, if I wanted to use buggy, pre-release quality code, I'd run Windows!

Like it or not, it's too late for Netscape. IE may not be the most svelte proggie on my iMac, but it's smaller, faster and MUCH more stable than Netscape.

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stable..NOT

When you make a web browser for public release, do you release it with so many bugs, that the moment it is opened it crashes? I think NOT. After it imported my Netscape preferences, I saw everything load on the top of the Toolbar, but not the bottom. It said it was contacting Mozilla.org at the bottom of the browser. And then without warning it just quit on itself. The same thing happened when I dragged an text document from my hard disk over the application icon. Plain text files it should understand. If it doesn't understand those, then it really is in deep you know what.

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Netscape is dead

I think its time to get over this netscape thing and remeber that its AOL now, Mac users are too smart that they are not interested in testing this c***..... It will never be a great browser again on the mac, face it people, there is icab, Omniweb for OS-X and IE they all blow netscrap in the dust, times have changed enough of the nastolgia, get real, don't bother us with this anymore, a lot of us have waisted good time downloading and deleting this 27 mb AOL sht.

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Works OK for me!!

It runs a h*** of a lot better on my machine than NS6 or Mozilla's last milestone. It's a shame...I used to be a die-hard MS user til Explorer 5 showed me the way...now since iCab is maturing so nicely, I am migrating once again. That seems to be where I am staying on my non-OSX machines. Like I said, it works better than other builds, but it ain't worth the time and latency to actually use it for my daily work.

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Geez.

Yup, great attitudes. No wonder Microsoft is taking over every single desktop on the planet. GIVE Netscape 6 a try, GIVE Mozilla builds (which are newer than the Netscape 6 release versions) a try, GIVE iCab a try. All this talk of "Bah, s**** it, AOL owns it, so it HAS to suck now" is just STUPID. What will you be saying when Microsoft decides that it's going to leave the Mac browser behind after it's shoved everyone else out of the market?

Mozilla 0.7 is working great for me. Just like the people that complain about it running on Linux, I bet that half the people out there that claim it crashes all the time are using Kalidascope or 50 other 3rd party skankware apps.

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It has improved...

I've given a few past versions a try every now and then, didn't like em then, they were buggy and unstable. But so far (only an hours use so far) this version seems to be a big improvement, I won't be taking IE5 off my machine anytime soon still, but this version of Moz' really has impressed me. Worth a look if you're openminded.

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nightly builds

I use Mozilla 7, the most recent nightly build. I like it a lot. I like it better than iCab, and iCab is real nice. Give it a try folks. If you want choice, you have to exercise that choice. These guys have put a lot of work into this project, deserve your support.

I have used it all day, and it hasn't crashed on me yet. Pretty good for work in progress.

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Stupid, but true

"All this talk of "Bah, s**** it, AOL owns it, so it HAS to suck now" is just STUPID."

Fact is, AOL DOES own it now, and it DOES suck. No way around that.

This project is so far behind now that I don't see it being a real alternative for people who do a lot of browsing every day. Whether you like MSFT or not, that company has an entire business unit devoted to creating what is turning out to be some really nice software for our platform. h***, doesn't the guy who created iCab work out of his basement or something? AOL has the resources to get this thing out the door; they're not getting it out the door (at least not in a timely fashion), which I suppose points to what a high priority the project is.

Mozilla/Netscape, whatever you want to call it, is going to have to shine my shoes and make me breakfast while I browse in order to get me to switch. Not gonna happen.

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Freeware

Please don't confuse Mozilla with AOL/Netscape, they aren't the same thing. Mozilla is an all volunteer open source programming effort that is the basis of the Netscape browser. I don't use IE because I don't like Microsoft, sure it is a great browser but I have faith in the Open source software movement to equal it in quality. And what is this stupid preoccupation with winning? The only way anyone is going to win is if open standards are complied with, if there were no alternitives do you really think IE would be as good as it is? So use whatever you like, but to label the voluntary work of many dedicated individuals as "AOL sh*t" is unfair.

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iCab

Anyone here try iCab? It is smaller faster and more stable than you'd imagine for a late beta. 2.4 is so close to finished. Style sheets and some more Java code. It's the best out there.

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TOO Late!

It's never too late. If that were true, IE would never have been born.

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Keep and open mind..

and give Mozilla a shot. I really believe the competition is needed to keep everyone on their toes. Do I use moz as my daily browser? No, I use IE5; simply the best browser for the Mac. iCab has a long way to go with respect to JS and CSS, but I'm sure it will get there. Same for Omniweb. These smaller companies are taking the approach of building the browser up piece by piece; getting it sorta stable then adding features. A larger organization like Netscape/AOL and Mozilla have tons of people working on *everything* at once (HTML, XML, JS, CSS1/2, etc) on three major platforms and tens of others as well as an embedded browser. Getting it all done and bug-free is a monumental task, but they will get there before iCab or Omniweb.

I used moz0.7 and really like the progress. I had the crash at startup thing, but once I deleted the registry, previous prefs, etc. it worked great. Very fast, does most everything I want. I like the mail client better than OE. Is it still buggy? Yep. When it is on par with IE I'll make the switch. If it doesn't reach the level of IE, I won't.

iCab for OSX is really sweet. Very fast and you can tell the programmers are paying close attention to the Carbon specs. All the widgets look good, the prefs are in the Application menu, etc. Still needs CSS, but I'll wait.

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Oops

There's no way Mozilla could become my browser of choice.

- It's too big.
- The folder is a mess.
- It doesn't run on my system. :)

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Only LOSERS complain

Just a reminder to all those loose-mouthed complainers out there; lighten up! Remember, ALL these browsers are FREE !!! You will never find anyone who can truly write a line of code to badmouth someone else's attempt to build a better browser, for, considering the internet's many standards and protocols, it's a monumental feat to say the least. If someone with the resources of Microsoft has managed to do it, good for them, let's support them. But don't forget, we were using Netscape and suffering with that until something better came along. My humble opinion is that we should show a little maturity and encourage, not discourage the talented programmers out there trying to make a difference.

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NS

h***, I'll try anything once. Tried NS 6, and boy did I ever hate it. Oh well, so I decided to give this a try, and you know what? It ain't half bad. It's kinda like eating veggies for the first time, you learn to like them...I've learned to like Netscape, and even though I use IE a lot, I'll still use NS once in a while because I just like it...there's my 2 cents, not that anyone should care, but it doesn't hurt to try it, even if you find out it blows.

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I'm using Moz 0.7 now

What's with all this stuff about how great IE is? I find it to be crash prone and has a nasty habit of trashing its own prefs for some reason. I've yet to find anything that IE does that Moz doesn't do at least as well. Also, the way it draws everything is clearer and better than IE. On the down side it is still a little to slow with all the stuff *except* drawing web pages, and since that is what it is for, I can live with the rest.

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conservative approach

1- I am using Netscape 4.7 w/128 bit encryption. This is something nobody touched upon. Some of us need a browser with high security for banking and other related matters. It's fine to be exploring the bleeding edge all the time, but some of us use our macs to make a living.

2- On principle I will NOT use ANYTHING from M$. I don't CARE if IE5 is the best browser for the mac (and I don't believe it either, BTW...)

3- I also use iCab 2.1 and I like a lot about it. And I am waiting for the mac version of Opera. And I may give a try to Mozilla when I have some time for playing around.

Meanwhile it is primarily Netscape around here.

Just my $ .02 worth...

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It's bloated and bust

Sorry, I tried it and downloading the 10Mb installer so I could download the *rest* of the thing was too tedious. It doesn't seem to know what to do once it arrives on a machine (especially one with partitions, like both my work and home ones).

iCab is 1.2Mb download for the *whole thing* and it beats IE into a bucket for its speed, elegance, low memory overhead, Applescripting.. plus it has the most useful feature ever, which is to open hyperlinked pages in the background, rather than getting in the way of what you're reading. www.icab.de. It won't be free when it's final - and I'll pay for a really good browser. Bill Gates insists software should not be free. For once, and very rarely, I agree with him.

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I Like It.

Mozilla 0.7 is impressive. It is faster than IE at rendering pages and now supports SSL and scroll wheels well. If they can improve the application-launch and window-open times, I will probably make it my primary browser.

iCab is slower than Mozilla 0.7, doesn't support SSL, and annoyingly frowns on every page in existence.

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Please try Mozilla 0.7!

I know most of you MacOS users are intolerant of software that doesn't work perfect "out of the box", but please remember these points:

1. Netscape 4.7.x is a dead-end series.
2. Netscape 6 and Mozilla are ALIKE, but NOT the SAME THING.
3. The development of open-source requires patience and a spirit of volunteerism. (How much of your web-browsing time really is "mission critical"?)
4. Netscape 6 is based on Mozilla code, and the latest builds of Mozilla will ALWAYS be further along than Netscape 6 builds.
5. The more people try out the Mac version of Mozilla and submit bug reports, the sooner the remaining bugs will be fixed. Again, the spirit of volunteerism.
6. Finally, AOL may own Netscape, and it may have full-time developers working on the source code of Mozilla, but AOL does NOT own Mozilla.

As always, it doesn't hurt to take the time and inform yourself. Check out the Mozilla website for a heck of a lot of fascinating reading material.

Again, please -- in the sake of volunteerism, and to provide the ONLY open-source Mac browser much, much needed support -- download Mozilla 0.7 TODAY and take the time to run it through its paces.

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Mozilla 0.7 faster? nope

mozilla 0.7 is significantly slower than IE 5 on my machine. Too bad. But if the functionality was better i'd switch, the load times aren't THAT far apart. Problem is the functionality isn't there. After importing bookmarks from IE, I had to quit and relaunch before I could drag them around, and even then you can't drag more than one at a time. In addition they are doing their own transparency effect on the dragging and it doesn't appear to be hardware accelerated. if you can't easily manage your bookmarks, a browser is pretty much worthless. It's a fundamental flaw

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If this is better.....

I ran Mozilla 0.7 for 2 minutes before it crashed. (*&%@#!!!!!) Dialog boxes and windows open willy-nilly partway off either monitor. (G4 450DP 1.37GB ram)

I switched to IE 5 after being a NS 4.08 loyalist. IE 5 is just faster, more stable, and has the fetures I need.

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Yawn...

Who gives a rat's behind about this perfect example of useless bloatware? It's a perfect reminder of Netscape's arrogance and incompetence.
What a waste of time and effort... Especially considering how iCab's considerably smaller team has managed to come up with an infinitely superior product in less time.

R.I.P., Netscape. You always sucked, but now you managed to design yourself into complete irrelevance. Good job.

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Mozilla is not Netscape

Mozilla is not Netscape. Mozilla is Netscape's packaged open source browser with AOL's do dads!

Yes, it can suck

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Staying with NS4.76

I think I'll stick with NS 4.76. While it may be old, none of the new browers compare to it. iCab is nice, but lacks integrated mail functions(which I ask about and they said they are not going to do), which I want. Moz6 was ok, but still needed some work. NS6 was terrible. IE is even worse(plus it is from MS, who I don't trust and will never use any of there products). Once a product meets my needs, I'll switch to it. I really would like to use iCab, but no mail is a deal killer. I don't want to have to get a second app for that.

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Integrated mail and news

iCab is completely right to avoid the distraction of building an email or newsreader client into their product. Those are two completely different, unrelated tasks that it is absurd to bundle with a browser.
Netscape's mailer and newsreaders are just about the worst currently available. There is no lack of excellent and free email and newsreader software. Expand your horizons and find out what you've been missing... and say hello to iCab!

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Works good

I don't know what everyone is talking about, I have had no problems. I have found it faster and more stable than IE.

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works with Webfree yet?

Is the new Mozilla 0.7 still incompatible with Webfree? the previous milestone, and Netscape 6 wouldn't work with Webfree.

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What's the point?

Every version of this browser that I've tried has had the same problems and they don't seem to be getting any better. The thing is horribly slow, uses 5x as much memory as the competition, and has an awful inface. There's a lot of hype about how it's rendering engine is so great but I see no evidence of this.

I guess a lot of the people who are excited about this browser are just people who still hate Microsoft which I can sort of understand but it's time to recognize that they have been producing very good products for the Mac over the past couple of years and IE5 is one of them.

Of course, there's also the issue of competition in the browser market and the hope that Mozilla will provide that. Well, forget it. This piece of junk can't compete and never will. IE has competition in iCab and OmniWeb. Both of those browsers offer actual innovations instead of just playing catch up to IE.

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Pathetic

I downloaded it and checked it out. I selected preferences to set it up - blank window. I checked out the javascript - total failures (on simple objects).

Waste of time ...

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Not available any more

The URL now produce a page that states "Connection to the FTP server was not possible."

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"Integrated" Mail

"...no mail is a deal killer. I don't want to have to get a second app for that."

So rather than having two different apps, you'd like one big fat one that uses more memory than any browser/mail client combination? Odd. Anyway, keep in mind that MacOSX comes with "Mail" one of the best email clients you'll ever use. The iCab developers could waste their time integrating a mail client but since since that would distract from bringing iCab up to speed on the last few things it lacks, is this really something anybody wants?

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crashed

The thing crashed on the first pop up window. I put it in the trash and don't plan on downloading another milestone/build/variant of this thing. A complete and utter piece of c***.

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Hasn't worked yet!

Netscape refuses to download. Mozzila builds never find a website, inside or outside a firewall. Never seen a product that is so good at doing noting but take up disk space.

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Hasn't worked yet!

Netscape refuses to download. Mozzila builds never find a website, inside or outside a firewall. Never seen a product that is so good at doing noting but take up disk space.

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hey conservative approach

IE5.0 DOES HAVE 128 bit encryption. Let me reiterate, it DOES have 128 bit encryption, it might serve you well to read up on something before insinuating that it does not have it.

just my FACTUAL 2 cents.

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Netscape -- who cares?

As much as I'd like to see Netscape on my Mac instead of IE, I have little faith of that happening. Microsoft has had a better Mac browser for almost four years, aside from the original IE 4.0. Netscape seems to want to have a slow Mac browser.

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warning

In addition to a few major crash bugs, the current builds(including 0.7) have one major drawback:
you can not submit forms by clicking an image button.
Check out at http://www.mozillazine.org/build_comments before you try.

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Rendering Engine...

Ever tried to open a 3-4 MByte HTML File? I�ve tried that with Netscape 4.x, IE 4.x and 5.x. They all crashed. Only NS 6 made it.

(don�t forget, that 3-4 MByte were ONLY the HTML code, not images or something else... only the file...)

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Browser options

My default browser is Netscape 4.7 but I expect to switch to something else in the coming year.

I hope that that will be Mozilla 1.0 - I have been periodically checking out the nightly builds and it just keeps getting better. One key feature for me is the ability to bring up a context menu by clicking and holding on a hyperlink; I use this feature almost constantly when browsing. Currently Mozilla requires a Ctrl-click to get the context menu - for me that is a deal breaker.

As optimistic as I am about Mozilla, I am discouraged about Netscape 6. The NS6 releases so far have not been appropriate for general consumption. I think AOL has shot themselves in the foot by encouraging the average web user to take it for a spin. As indicated by many of the posts to this forum, most people browsing the web these days are not capable of intelligent evaluation of an unfinished product. Also, I have no interest in the AOL kludge that has been added.

iCab is a nice fast little browser for basic stuff, but I need something a bit more robust. I think it is great, but just not sufficient for my needs.

I really do not understand why people think IE is so great. My experiences with it have been rather disappointing. I am hoping that IE 5.5 will be more stable and more standards oriented. I am not anti-Microsoft, but their perpetual practice of implementing proprietary MS-centric products is really becoming annoying.

For now, NS 4.7 does what I need it to do and it crashes less than IE.

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Integrated web and mail

So rather than having two different apps, you'd like one big fat one that uses more memory than any browser/mail client combination? Odd.

Yes that is how I like it. Why should I Have to launch a whole other app to read mail? In netscape I just choose messager, and there it is. I like having integrated web and mail. It makes is easier, instead of switching back and forth, back and forth.

Anyway, keep in mind that MacOSX comes with "Mail" one of the best email clients you'll ever use. The iCab developers could waste their time integrating a mail client but since since that would distract from bringing iCab up to speed on the last few things it lacks, is this really something anybody wants?
I do. Again, icab and mail are seperate. I want integrated. much better. 1 app for web serfer-http, mail, ftp.

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Doesn't work for me.

I'll start it up, and it'll finish doing whatever.... and there it sits. Its obviously doing something....but its not running. After 5 min of waiting I give up and force-quit the damned thing. Btw, thats on a Powerbook 1400. Maybe it doesn't support my mac. Who knows anymore? Netscape used to be good. What happened? Too much free crack for the programmers?

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remember

remember folks this is a fully pre release non finished product and it is going to be flawed so don't be too critical. Netscape is slowly getting there act together and we the users should give them as much help as possible as after all it is our browser and we are the ones that will have the option of using it.

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remember

remember folks this is a fully pre release non finished product and it is going to be flawed so don't be too critical. Netscape is slowly getting there act together and we the users should give them as much help as possible as after all it is our browser and we are the ones that will have the option of using it.

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remember

remember folks this is a fully pre release non finished product and it is going to be flawed so don't be too critical. Netscape is slowly getting there act together and we the users should give them as much help as possible as after all it is our browser and we are the ones that will have the option of using it.

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Following links

I'd make this my primary browser if, in order to follow a link, I didn't have to click the link twice. Or, when I type in a URL, I didn't have to hit return twice. Weird.

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My eyes!

Mozilla behaves like an emulator within an emulator within an emulator. It's not a mac app.

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Fizilla on OSX

Perhaps more exciting than Mozilla 0.7 on OS9 is the Moz project for OS X called Fizilla. It uses a carbon front end, and is much faster than Netscape 6 OS 9. I'm surprised MacNN didn't report on the release of this release on the 10th. Running Dev builds of software is really frustrating on OS 9 because there's the possibility ( and in my case the reality ) of crashing and destroying all your work. Running it on OSX is far more sensible, as it can crash and I won't care.

Apparently there are two projects in the works for Fizilla. One based on carbon, and one based in Mach-o. The binary they supply is apparently the carbon version.

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reading skills (off topic

Re message directed at MOI:

IE5.0 DOES HAVE 128 bit encryption. Let me reiterate, it DOES
have 128 bit encryption, it might serve you well to read up on
something before insinuating that it does not have it.

Why would you assume that my refusal to use IE5 has anything to do with encryption? My comments about encryption and my comments about my refusal to use anything from M$ were clearly TWO distinct NUMBERED points.

Can you say ? I knew you could. My message CLEARLY states a fact; that being I do not use ANYTHING from Micro$oft, I don't care WHAT it has.

My message was about browsers I have used and would use. The thread is about mozilla, not IE. I summarily dismissed M$ and IE in my message. I believe in ethical investing and ethical shopping. I would hope that people who participate in these forums do not take it upon themselves to be advertisers for M$.

Good luck to you.

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Check the version number

There is a saying, never buy a car the first year it's out. In software that becomes never use version 1.0 of anything.

This thing is 0.7 and some people are screaming like it's the Titanic. Folks, try it. If it works, enjoy it. If it doesn't, file a bug report and move on.

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still buggy

better than before but still buggy on 8.6 and a B&W G3
its in my trash can now

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Mozilla is not dead

As long as there are hackers who are willing to work on an alternative, Mozilla most certainly is not dead, nor do I want it to be. When my house setting gets in order, I surely will try and employ iCab, and also Opera(on another Mac) and also Mozilla. I am for alternatives. It is good for the state of things. One must, I suppose, do as MacAddict has done, and give credit to the Mac division at Microsoft. So many of them came from Apple.

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Remember the Garage?

"h***, doesn't the guy who created iCab work out of his basement or something?"

A person who doesn't remember where it all started.

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The integration issue

I want integrated. much better. 1 app for web serfer-http, mail, ftp.

You want WebTV!

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updated 02:26 pm EST, Sun January 14, 2001

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Secutity

vs. IE 5?

It's too late...

stable..NOT

Netscape is dead

Works OK for me!!

Geez.

It has improved...

nightly builds

Stupid, but true

Freeware

iCab

TOO Late!

Keep and open mind..

Oops

Only LOSERS complain

NS

I'm using Moz 0.7 now

conservative approach

It's bloated and bust

I Like It.

Please try Mozilla 0.7!

Mozilla 0.7 faster? nope

If this is better.....

Yawn...

Mozilla is not Netscape

Staying with NS4.76

Integrated mail and news

Works good

works with Webfree yet?

What's the point?

Pathetic

Not available any more

"Integrated" Mail

crashed

Hasn't worked yet!

Hasn't worked yet!

hey conservative approach

Netscape -- who cares?

warning

Rendering Engine...

Browser options

Integrated web and mail

Doesn't work for me.

remember

remember

remember

Following links

My eyes!

Fizilla on OSX

reading skills (off topic

Check the version number

still buggy

Mozilla is not dead

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