Hold the bad language for play school, kiddies...

On my PB 550, this has been a dream update with a clearly faster Safari, and no issues at all.
Developers are too busy with Panther testing at the moment, and neglect to test with 10.2.x updates.

Yeah right! Thank's Buddah I didn't even dowloaded 10.2.6... Let's wait 'till 10.3 comes...

I'm not surprised at all by this. By all outside appearances, Apple's QC group has lost touch. I'm sure many of you remember (and are still immersed in) iMovie 3 h***. I have no complaints about 10.2.8. But if they had to pull it after 24 hours, their phones and support lines must have lit up like a cluster bomb. There is some serious incompotence going on in there lately. I have two friends that work there and the stories that they tell about how "p*** floats" personnel-wise are harrowing. Take away Jobs and Ives and you've got a whole lot of nothing. I spent 10 years drinking the Kool Aid there and loved it. But this new brigade is even more arrogant than we were.

System 7.5.3 and its follower, 7.5.3-bullet? Not that was classy.

Am I the only one pleased with the 10.2.8 update? I'm a PB 17" owner who experienced freezing problems during sleep like many other PB owners did when we upgraded to 10.2.6. I have no complaints, this fixed that problem and started no new ones.

ok i spoke to soon. on a full charge my battery is telling me less than 2 hours on reduced CPU usage. That's about half an hour or so less than it used to say. TiBook 1Ghz

I downloaded it last night to my iBook SE 466 and I don't seem to have any problexz#).a@dljem&^#$

;)

Wow, I have installed this update on 4 machines here, and not a single issue. Not that I am doubting people have issues (people seem to have issues with every update), but you rarely here from the guys having no issues, so I thought I would pipe in.

Same here, no problems. Works great on a dual 800 G4 with 1.25 gig of ram.

DP 1GHz & 600MHz iMac.

On my dual mirroed door 1GHz, everything seems fine if not peppier(but admittedly that could be like when you wash your car and it seems to run better). I had one hang up, but I feel that that was more atributed to my machine not having one bit of preventative mainenace in the last 6 months(I recently bought a fixer-upper). After I ran MacJanitor and re-booted twice to have the machine run it's startup tests and reapir, everything seems fine. I even Double checked it with Drive10 and it seems ok. They pulled it down before I could run it for my iBook.

old G4's was screwed up. I just fired up my network and it was fine. I guess I dodged the bullet this time. maybe.

I guess it's time for those of us who managed to save the two versions of the 10.2.8 update to sell them to collectors on eBay.

Seemed like no issues on my mac. It is not reasuring knowing that I now am running a faulty operating system.

Guess you better go out and get some more h1b visa programmers to work on it. :p

I was installing 10.2.8 today using Software Updater, and came back to my computer to find the HDD spinning, the screen black, and the keyboard dead. I had to power down the machine and reboot - luckily it started OK, reporting to be 10.2.8.

I wonder if this was the reason they pulled it, or whether they pulled it during my install, and that screwed it up..

Chill a bit, at least they are fixing it.

I personally think 7.5.3R2 was a nice save...

Hello -

I didn't have any issues with the 10.2.8 update until I tried printing from
Acrobat 6 Professional. Now when I try to print, Acrobat displays the
message "A drawing error has occured which is probably due to an out
of memory condition. Try quiting other programs" and then proceeds to
print blank pages.

I never had this problem with Acrobat 6 before, I have 512mb of Ram of
which over 300 mb was available when I tried printing, also Acrobat 5
which I still have installed seems uneffected. Has anyone else
experienced this since updating to 10.2.8?

Regards -

Josh

No problems on my PB G4

Dual G4-450, used SU instead of the standalone. Not a single hiccup.

Think that this is a good update, let me know, I'll gladly send you this Combo Updater to hose your system too! No lie, it killed my freshly imaged TiBook.

I spend 2 hours downloading 10.2.8 update, installed and have not had problems yet, touch multi-buttom-mouse (wood). I don't have Airport but do have a pier-to-pier ethernet with my 6400/200. I have noticed a crackerling from the speakers when playing MP3's. I don't know if this is related to the update.

How do I findout if my Adaptec USB 2 card, I bought more than a year ago, works as USB 2.0 now?

What if you already (successfully?!) installed 10.2.8? Will the next posted release resolve any issues for those of us that 'jumped the gun?!'

Yikes!

What about those of us who have already (successfully?!) installed v10.2.8? Will the next posting of this OS release fix the problems for us? I'm a bit concerned that I may have 'jumped the gun' on installing this RELEASED update via Software Update panel, and now may encounter problems that won't be resolved since I've already completed the upgrade.

Yikes! ;-(

if youhave certain usb 2 cards, your mac WILL NOT SLEEP if you have anything that is system recognised plugged in (Plugging in something that only usese power, like a light bulb or something will not affect anything.) Havinfg anything plugged in to the usb 2 card will hang your mac when you try to sleep it via hardware or software.

2. If you are typing in a safari window and the window you are in (like the macnn coments window) and your typing extends below the bottom morder, you will see vertical lines appearing where your letters are , but 9on the border.

3.somehow the regiistry is changed because your icons will possibly different, meaning that they can not6 find their mother applications. double clicking on them send you to the "hey foolio, i cant find an application to open this with" dialog.

4. I dont know what they thought they were doing with safari, but it will crash , funny, if you go to that l-computer website an dload certain java content. IE will not, it works liek a charm.

5. as far as i can tell, the system boots faster after a hard reboot (not choosing restart first etc.) and it sleeps and wakes WAY faster as long as you dont have anything plugged into a usb 2.0 card (some cards do in fact work though, just not deep sleep. )

-Macmaan

that it's HIGHLY unlikely that any future update would be unavailable to customers who had already installed 10.2.8. if anything, those are the ones MOST in need of help (at least those who lost ethernet)...

"We have temporarily removed the Mac OS X v10.2.8 software update while we resolve an issue affecting Ethernet networking on a small number of Power Mac G4 desktop systems," the company said in a statement provided to CNET News.com. "We anticipate that the issue will be resolved soon."
-cnn

Macmaan

You fell for it. You jumped and installed it without backing up. Fools. Now I am the master!

it didn't work on my PC. I thought MAC was supposed to be more reliable. I am tired of Windows TenP and want to be a swisher.

i am willing to bet good money that 75% of these bad-mouthing comments are the work of one, single troll.

Done without incident. A little less time on the first charge down, but all better now. No crashing of Safari, or anything else. The pull issue seems to be as reported by cnet, a networking issue.

Chill out, people. This issue affects a very specific situation that most of us won't run in to. Full details on the issue can be found here:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107669

On this iMac FP-800 (15", 1 gig RAM) a start up is hideously slow when starting up auto-logging in and finally launching the Finder. Otherwise the basic system seems Snappier (TM).

The finder crashed in my TiBook 500. When I restarted the computer, the settings for the finder is completely gone. I also noticed that the extra info on finder (bytes free, item count, etc.) is messed up!!!

with 10.2.8 running 24 hrs on iBook 600.

looks like I got lucky by not installing- I was at work all day and didn't even know.

I said it before and I'll say it again: apple desperately needs a good installer/uninstaller system. With a journaled file system, it should be fairly easy to revert to the previous version of the OS should there be any problems. (Come off it apple, as evident by what happened today, you obviously cannot forsee potential problems every time! Stop thinking like apple is perfect and give us this essential troubleshooting feature!!)

Dual G4/450. Additional USB card. Added A05 DVD burner. 640 ram. 3 physical hard drives. Thus far not a single problem. (nock on wood desk) - OT: Anyone know how get Virtual PC 6 to see my Palm Pilot? I have the 4.1 OS up but only for Windows and can't make VPC see the Palm Pilot. clint@stlaurent.net

IBook 700mhz/640mo ram and a G4/800mhz Dual updated with the Combo Update. Did the same procedure as usual after the update; fsck, repair disk permission with the terminal, Dsik Utility and rebuil teh directories with Disk Warrior 3.

Not as single crash

WOOPS

Those new JPEG icons are terrible....no probs with other issues though (iMac G4/700CDRW)

Now I'm afraid to restart my server.. after the update!!..

I had just finish updating the server hoping to plugged the security hole... with the SSH.. NOW! it's asking for me to "restart"
GOSH!!! what do I do?

I just installed the update on my Dual 450 G4 server. No problems at all -- the server version could be different from the client.

the system does afeel a lot snappier as well. liek when right clicking things, the contextual menus come up a lot faster , before they were rediculously laggy. and God help you if you right clicked something with ANY spun down disk. Its dumb as h*** that EVERY single disk has to spin up just so that my right clcik comes up. ven if there is nothing on any of them for it to access. completely stu[pid on apples part. lets hope panther fixes the following:

Downloading things to the desktop does not actually show the files until you click on the desktop! STUPID VBUG. if you try to open something on teh desktop that you think is there, as soon as you double click it (thus activating teh desktop), the downloaded (or saved from app files)and all the previous files all arrange themselvesand all jump around and you end up opening up something that you didnt intend to becuase the new icon in the place of teh one you wnated, is now arranged somewhere else.

Fix the S***** samba and finder mounted ftp disks. if you lose connection or your connection somehow becomes stalled, right clicking on the disk WILL crash your whole system after a beach ball comes up. killing processes does nothing. force quitting usually does nothing. and the beach ball will travel from app to app until they are ALL stalled and unusable. No kernel panic, just an anuasable system.

if you have a picture set as your backround and you have all icons in range (they are all in the window without any scrolling needed to see more items) there is a nasty display bug.select all the icons, and then drag the hwole set by dragging th etop icon, drag it downward so that the bottom icons extend out the bottom of the window, and then scroll down. now deselct all the icons. then select and move 1 icon. you will see the nasty bug instantlyit will clip the h*** out of the picture and the icons will have pieces of teh backround all chopped up and jumbled. try it if you dont beleive me. this bug has been around since the 10.1 i beleive.

sometimes on dual monitor setups (specifically tv+monitor setups) safari will csometimes open new windows on the second display, instead of the default display. it is so random, it cant be controlled at leats that i know of. and it happens when it wants to, not in any pattern i can see. its just random.

i love OSX, its nowhere near as crappy as windows xp , but they gotta work out some bugs all the same. I am just nit picking, but apple fails to listen to the multiple reports of teh same thing. lets hope panther fixes these bugs without releasing more.

- macmaan

i forgot to say, but about that window icon bug, i meant to say it hapens when folders are opened and have a backround picture in the window.

-macmaan

sometimes if the finder is active for too long, with lots of file movement, certain dialogs are not clickable. like replacing a file etc. will bring up a dialog asking if you want to replace etc. the buttons are not clickable (greyed out like they are in the backround) and you can not click them. the only way to get through it all is by either relaunching the finder, or by switching to another application (or opening one) then clicking teh finder icon in the dock to re-activate it, an dthen clicking the dialog is back to normal. i am still runnin tests to see if the bug is still here in 10.2.8. we shall see

-macmaan

I installed the update and had to reinstall my whole system, ruined my whole night. f*** Apple and this bullshit! They are getting very sloppy.

iBook 466 SE. not a single problem... excpet for my iPod crashed while I had it plugged in to the iBook.... just listening to some tunes and it crashed on me.... that was weird.

is just going donhil, they have c*** os x, i hate this. updait doos nut werk.

...little feature called 'restore' - you install something you want to undo & presto - you are back where you started...

Just one more reason why this long time mac user recently bought a PC...

...."i am willing to bet good money that 75% of these bad-mouthing comments are the work of one, single troll. "

ROFL. I suppose that single badmouthing troll was also singlehandedly responsible for Apple "quietly pulling" the 10.2.8 update. That's a powerful troll.

If you want to keep living in Steve's Reality Distortion Field where Apple never gets anything wrong, has real quality control, and doesn't need a human interface group, that's your privilege. But try not to let the RDF influence your posts too much.

Me, I never, ever, *ever* install a 10.2.x update until *at least* a week after it's been out and the problem reports have a chance to multiply. Remember the date bug where after installing, IIRC, 10.2.4 the user's system date would revert to 1969 on every restart? That was a fun one.

...little feature called 'restore' - you install something you want to undo & presto - you are back where you started...

That is a nice feature, assuming you can start Windows far enough to the point where you can run the update after a security patch has hosed you system (not likely).

Just one more reason why this long time mac user recently bought a PC...

Enjoy, I'll save some worms for ya!

nothing is perfect, but ill bet you will will come running back when you get your "windowz experience" long enough. really, these problems are VERY minor compared to the h*** of windows. apple makes stupid mistakes as well as anyone else. And I bet you when you get hosed by MS youll be saying "Just one more reason why this long time PC user recently bought a MAC again..." but well see. and as for the troll theory, dont even start people. nobody is a troll for pointingout apples c***. if you cant handle the reality that EVERYONE, even apple, makes mistakes, then dont b**** when you get b**** slapped with a dose of reality.

I'm not having any problems at all, quite the opposite -- Safari now works on some sites it had trouble with before.

I imagine this was inadequately tested on laptops before release, since the majority of the "problems" reported involved battery life.

Yes, Apple deserves a razzberry for shoddy QC, but those of you who are bitching need to keep a little bit of perspective -- Apple WILL fix the problem and repost. They're NOT going to make you buy Panther (and wait three months) to fix this, okay? Just chill.

http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@124.wnfxa0XYfoJ.5@.5999d9d9
Thank you Andrew.

There are some specific problems with this update, but they only affect a small percentage of Mac owners.

Several of the posts in this forum have absolutely nothing to do with those issues.

It is absurd for anyone to post that OS X is "crappy" or raving about how Apple has F'd them again. The issues with this update just simply are not that big of a deal.

Apple is not perfect, but several posts here are obviously bogus posts from trolls.

...flawlessly so far - Ti400 - I always run 1st aid & fix perms before updates... Battery timing IS estimated downward to ~1.5 hrs now... Hope 2.8.1 improves that...

10.2.8 (the 40MB update) runs flawless on my 17"fp G4 1ghz iMac, with various USB 1.1 and firewire hardware attached. I don't use Ethernet though.

My powerbook has no battery life because of the 10.2.8 update. My airport Extreme goes out every few hours because of the 5.1.1 firmware update. My G4 no longer is on the internet because of the 10.2.8 update. Can apple scr*w me some more? I hope someone from apple reads this and makes some huge changes. For anyone who does not believe that this update destroys your desktop or laptop, I have the update on my HD and will send it to anyone that wants it. I'm so fed up, i'm ready to call a lawyer.

Sorry ! I couldn't help it ! I simply tried to sound like the average fucked-up "can't bare criticism" Macnn p**** who's simply going to cry whenever some bad thing is being said about Apple.

I've installed 10.2.8 and it hasn't made the slightest noticeable difference to any part of my system. The whiners should be thankful that they aren't running Windows.

Well I jumped. My 15" Ti PowerBook is Ok.

My Dual G4 450 MHz ethernet is shafted.

Good job I have 2 different platforms on ethernet cos some people with just a single old Dual G4 450 are now in the dark.... like they are not going to know what is going on.... like where did everyone go...

I had the same experience as one poster.. ran the update via SU, waiting for it to finish and the screen turns totally black, everything unresponsive, no disk activity. Forced a hardware re-start and it booted. Had a MASSIVE amount of permission fixes, much more than I've ever seen before. Did a bunch of fscking and Diskwarrioring and after all that, it seems to be running OK. Dual 800 QS.

My iBook 800 MHz combo works fine. I think that some of this is a little overblown.

iTunes skips if CPU under heavy load(NEVER happened in 10.2.6), overall performance noticably down, battery life down approx. 30 minutes, fortunately everything else still seems to work. i guess that's the price i have to pay every now and then for installing every update the minute it's released. i hope apple will fox all my issues and RELEASE A VERSION OF SAFARI THAT ACTUALLY WORKS FOR ALL PROPERLY WRITTEN WEBSITES. i haven't checked their coding but ebay.com doesn't even work...it's rather disturbing that apple releases such an unfinished product as final.

Some of these whiners would just switch to Windoze. Then you'd have something to complain about.

If you ask me you deserve it for being the first people to update. Haven't you learned that you don't put an update on an important system untill it's been out for at LEAST a week.

If you have an unimportant system, go for it. Be the tester. If you need your system, WAIT. If it aint broken, don't fix it!

Duh!

....this is PRECIOUS....

f*** you man!

I have installed this update on a sonnet upgraded (800mhz) AGP G4 and a 366Mhz KeyLime iBook and I have had no problems thus far. Sure hope I don't.

What a wanker.
'deserve'? are you totally out of your fu¥king mind?
If that is ever so clear to you genius, why doesn't Apple put a on week warning on updates?
Because they want to fu¥ck up useres systems?
You suppose that this is fun ?
People like you should be shot!
You shi¥ty little wanker!

Duh!

one thing i have noticed after installing 10.2.8 is that i do have about 30 minutes less battery life than i normally do, just like someone said earlier. i can't wait to see the posts on 10.3. people will be ranting again about paying for yet another update (fixes). i'm with ya on that.

Anyway, what if everybody waited for one week as per your smart suggestion, we would be exactly where we are now.
You are telling us that you are very happy for everybody else to have massive problems, so you don't have to.
Then with great logic you slam everybody that reports said problems as whiners (if they did not whine mind you, said problems would never be fixed), while actually relying on their good faith to sort out these problems for you.

You are about as low as scum can sink, if that is indeed your attitude (which boggles the mind), unfit to join human society, selfish git, tosspot etc.
Why then, oh smart one, do you read these threads?
To gloat?
Piss off and die!

Duh!

eBay has worked with safari since day one. The 10.2.8 update works fine on my iBook 800 and the lab's G4 400. It is a small specific problem that made it through the cracks. It'll be fixed soon enough. Nothing to wish death on people, you drunken brit.

if you should wait a week to update, then perhaps they should have a beta period and not post it as an update. Updates should be problem free, no excuses! I expect a lot more more apple, don't you?

I'm one of the lucky ones who ran the update and have had zero problems. I noticed one this this morning that I PRAY stays in the 10.2.8.1 fix (or whatever they call it).

When you create a new folder in the Finder, you can type out the name for the folder IMMEDIATELY, in all views (this previously only worked in the icon view). You no longer have to COMMAND+SHIFT+N and then use the mouse to highlight the "Untitled Folder" to rename. This has driven me nuts since switching to OS X last year.

How'd I find this? By the fact that after over a year with X I still try to type in a folder name after creating a new one...that's what you get after something working the same way for 18 years.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107669

nice catch, but you don't actually have to click the folders to modify a folder name...

after you create a new folder (or if you just want to modify the name of an existing folder) just hit the enter key and it will allow you to modify the text.

command-shift-n-enter would let you type in the name of a new folder without using the mouse. when yr trying to modify an existing folder, just start typing its name and when it's selected hit enter to edit. no mouse.

if that autoselect feature persists i'm going to have to unlearn that enter key behavior.

people that don't like Apple. My update tibook works great so f*** up and keep your systems in good running order before you update it a*******!

I installed 10.2.8 and accidentally dropped my Ti on the BART track. Stupid thing bounced over to the electric 3rd rail then the SFO train came. I was able to get it after the train left, but then it wouldn't even boot! This update sucks! I hate Apple.

I think I'm going to pirate Panther now. Maybe it will actually fix some bugs rather then breaking everything. f*** apple.

PM G4/450DP (one of the ones cited as having more problems, but my ethernet seems to be working...i'm using it to post this message)

iBook dual USB/500Mh: battery life still at around 3:20 fully charged

after the guy noticed the new folder fix, i started looking around for changes. by the way, i'm on a powerbook g4/400.

keyboard/mouse preference pane all in 1. new for me
wake for network access option is gone in energy saver prefs, yes?

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testing

well id just like to post again. i have a 1ghz 15" tibook. only problem ive had so far is the battery thing, as i stated before. the good far outweighs this. 10.2.8 is much more responsive (i refuse to infringe on the snappier tm..hehe). contextual menus work better. dock is smoother. window resizing is better. iTunes and Safari work a little better. iTunes was horrible on 10.2.5 and 10.2.6 for me. application switching is much smoother. the only bug i have noticed other than the battery is sometimes the scroll bar on the right side goes freaky. sometimes when you click and grab the bar it wont register as being moved. sometimes that works ok but the arrow buttons at the top and bottom wont register. its odd, but it is a few and far between occurance. all in all this is a great up date. it sux people are having problems with it. if they get the battery life back up everything will be fine.

My Lombard crashes every hr now since the update. The screen goes crazy and then freezes up.
Hope they do a patch soon.

I will never use auto update again. I loaded 10.2.8 and quickly found out I could not connect to high speed internet. I had to re-install 10.2, wasting time and losing important files. Apple is starting to blow...

You can downloads in this address:

http://apple.speedera.net/download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/Mac_OS_X/downloads/061-0677.20030922.PkN45/2Z/MacOSXUpdateCombo10.2.8.dmg

Prior to installing 10.2.8 update, my Airport was working perfectly. Afterwards, my connection is DOWN more than up. I may lose my connection before I can send this message. There is DEFINITELY a problem with Airport once the update is installed. I know what I'm doing this Saturday... ALLLLLL DAY...

Black screens; Safari crashes unless opened with email and crashes anyway when I try to quit out of it; can't use Internet Explorer at all since it crashes before it even fully loads; Microsoft Word crashes when I try to close it....what else can go wrong, or should I ask?? What a pain! I hope Apple can get us a fix right away.