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iTMS user successfully sells song second-hand

updated 05:45 pm EDT, Wed September 10, 2003

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A customer of Apple's iTunes Music Store said he has successfully , ending a weeklong exercise he hoped would highlight the legal and technical nuances of emerging digital music services. He was able to give the song to a friend, whom he met through an Internet discussion group. In order to close the deal, George Hotelling said he had to transfer control of his entire iTunes Music Store account to Elder, which included one song. "For the average user, I'd definitely say this was extremely difficult," he said. "I guess you could say we're both extreme geeks."

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Geeks go to heaven

Goats go to h***.

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attention hungry...

...geeks at that

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AppleID

This means he probably transfered his AppleID. If I was his new friend, I start charging up his credit card.

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Apple's Position?

What's Apple's position on this? You should totally be able to de-authorize a track for your account and have it authorized on another.

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How stupid is apple to do something so awkardly! They are becoming more Microsoft like with every minute passing by! What a bunch of c*** they make users go thru to give/sell a simple song. You'd think they were giving away military secrets with all this rigamaroe.... Apple, rotten to the core!

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aww poor baby!

What are you whining about man? have you ever tried to do that? Then why are you complaining? its not your problem

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oh well

I successfully sold a song today as well. I purchased a David Bowie cassette, and then sold a dubbed copy via the local newspaper. The buyer was fully satisfied.

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Not up to apple...

It's not convoluted because of Apple, it's because of the recording industry, or the sinking ship that is the industry. They hid their head in the sand when digital technologies emerged, finally giving people the freedom to escape their inane taste. People want the freedom and convenience of digital files - we don't need to be tethered to the music industry anymore. Maybe all those executives can go make slurpies or pour lattes down at the local starbucks.

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I would have paid this idiot $0.99 to not be so stupid.

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That's great!

Now would someone like to purchase this c***-a$$ LXG soundtrack that I bought?

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re: not elegant

"How stupid is apple to do something so awkardly! They are becoming more Microsoft like with every minute passing by! What a bunch of c*** they make users go thru to give/sell a simple song. You'd think they were giving away military secrets with all this rigamaroe.... Apple, rotten to the core!"

What the h*** are you talking about? If anyone here is stupid for doing something awkward, it's the two idiots in this article.

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They want you to buy them

They prefer if you buy rather than sell of course. Maybe in the next version it will allow this. I don't believe something says that you cannot sell one.

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re: oh well

That's illegal and wrong.

Whether your 12 or 42, stealing is stealing.

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re: oh well

That's illegal and wrong.

Whether your 12 or 42, stealing is stealing.

Whether your [sic] 12 or 42, sarcasm is sarcasm.

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12 year old

I think she was just being a good little girl. Mamma always said we should share. What kind a message are we sending childern when we sue them for sharing? I believe the children are our future....

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Um ...

... why on earth wouldn't this loser just burn the song onto a CD and sell that? Seems to me he avoids the messy details of having to transfer his entire Apple account (which could include cc info, personal data, could be abused et al). While giving it (or worse, selling it) on CD is certainly illegal, it's a helluva lot easier that what he did.

If I want to share my music with my friends, I *play it for them.* Then I tell them where to go get their own copy -- the iTunes Music Store.

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Better idea

I gave my friend a song a few days ago, too. Actually I gave him a whole CD. I just ripped Fugazi's "In On The Kill Taker" into AIFF files, then used iTunes to burn these files onto a CD-R. He's probably jammin' that CD as I type this.

Then I converted the AIFF files to 256 kbs AAC files, and uploaded them to my server space. Another friend downloaded those songs, and I just got an email confirming that he is indeed rockin' out as I'm typing this.

Please note that my friends got higher quality audio files that this idiot who sold his iTune's music store license. One got CD quality, the other 256 kbs AAC! And both friends got the songs for free because that's the kind of guy I am.

So fsck the Apple Music Store, and fsck selling and buying compressed audio files. I want the full audio quality, and then I'll be the one to compress it, thank you.

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Do images work here?

[IMG]http://www.geniesongs.com/products/closeups/images/GenieWildflowersCoverTiny.jpg[/IMG]

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Re: Um ...

...why wouldn't he burn the song on a CD and sell that? Because that was determined to be in violation of the buyer/seller terms on eBay. No electronic information (programs, songs, etc.) can be transferred on recordable/writable media (CD-R/W, Zip, floppy, etc.).

To be fully compliant with the law, he had to sell his entire iTunes account to the buyer. Otherwise, it would be too easy for people to purchase songs from iTunes Music Store, burn them on CDs, sell them, and keep their account as well as the music they sold -- that kind of scenario would place the seller into a kind-of distributor position, and then he would be obligated to pay royalties off of his sale to the record company, artist, and whomever else is due royalties under the terms of the distributor contract, which he/she never signed in the first place.

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Legal resale

For the people who boast about being able to sell dubbed cassettes or burned copies of CDs are missing the point - the man in the story found a _legal_ method of transferring music under the law.
The man who resold the music complied with the law which have never allowed consumers to freely distribute music beyond modest "home use."
Of course, the music and movie industries need to get with the times like they had to do in the 1980s when VCRs and cassettes made copying music and recording movies easier than ever. Adding new copyright tricks will only go so far and will be defeated.

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dear dumbasses...

for those who keep getting on their case for going through this much trouble, let me spell it out in all caps, just so you can nod and understand...

THAT'S NOT THE FUGGIN' POINT!

the point is they wanted to test the legality of it. period. yeah, sure, they have some time on their hands. so what? attention seeking? who cares? let 'em have as much attention as this warrants. you obviously care enough to rubberneck at this story and post a comment, rather than getting to class or back to work.

sooner or later, someone had to try. they just happened to be the first.

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The point?

The seller had one purpose - legally selling an ITMS purchased song.

According to the law, he had the right to do so. What he wanted to know was whether it was actually passible.

It turns out that it was possible, but a great pain.

This is not Apple getting more MS-like, but Apple doing what it must to keep the RIAA from going ape. I suspect that indivudual song licensing and transfer would have sounded far too close to file swapping, and thus they would have fought it, either as a group or as the five major labels. At the least, I would not have expected the major labels to go for having the same song on more than one Mac if you could sell the song.

Consider - selling a single song would require de-authorizing it on machines potentially not connected to any network, or requirinig net access for your machines. As it is now, a whole machine can be deauthorized whether it is on the net or not, which I expect was within the range of what Apple was willing to do, and yet satisfied the record labels.

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iTMS user successfully sells song second-hand

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