If I may?

"The calendar better work well so I can sync it with my T610. If this release is better then the PC version then we will have a chance at 5% market share if not. Apple get iCal to work with exchange asap."

should read:

"The calendar better work well, so I can sync it with my T610. If this release is better than the PC version, then we will have a chance at 5% market share. If not, Apple get iCal to work with Exchange ASAP."

Much better.

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/DOWNLOAD/OFFICEX/exchangeupdate.xml&secid=5&ssid=14&flgnosysreq=True

Using Outlook 2001 in classic in OS X is faster at downloading new email than this. And that includes the time it takes to start up classic! I'm happy to see Exchange support added, but the speed REALLY needs to be addressed.

The installer says it can't locate my copy of Office, and the its dialog window for showing it where consists of two blank panels! This installer is a dead end.

OK, so I suppose I'll go read the docs, but all this seems to be is mail. Meeting invites don't even seen to do anything fancy.

now if I can just figure out how to get it to work!!!

Better read the "Read Me." You may need to update you Office to 10.1.2 first before it can install the Entourage update.

I downloaded it and installed it on a couple Macs and tried to get it to work. Well I can receive email with no problems at all. SENDING email does not work at all. there is no way to browse the global addressbook. check name does work if you type in part of the name in the To: box, but that's it. and to top it off, it is EXTREMELY SLOW. it is much faster to run Outlook 2001 in Classic mode!

What version of exchange server do you need to be running???

Get it out the door half-assed working and worry about it later. Figures.

I get "unkown error" for IMAP server. It won't do anything. Back to mail.app for me. Terrible upgrade. We're running Exchange 5.5

Lame. Terrible. Half the "advertised" features don't work as promised.

Anyone else expect this?

I can't even get the installer to finish its job... it says an error prevented it from completing. I even did a "repair permissions" just in case... still no go. And yes, I do have the most up to date version of Office X installed.

>We're running Exchange 5.5

Well, there's your problem right there-- you can't read!

From the download page:

"Exchange Server access: If you will be using Exchange Update for Entourage X to access information on an Exchange server, the Exchange server you are connecting to must be Exchange Server 2000 with Service Pack 2 (or later)."

Like everyone, I was excited about this update getting us Outlook running under X nicely. Well, don't get your hopes up.

First off, everyone will need to know their SMTP server in order for this to work (try getting that from IS people who hate macs).

Second, MS actually expects the user to have the ability to upload ALL of their PST information to the Exchange Server so that Entourage can pull it down (temporary). That's impossible since no admin in their right mind is going to create a mailbox that large for each user (average is about 600 - 800 MB for my users).

Third, I've already read that you cannot SYNC calenders without IMAP 4 being turned on on the servers. I can hear the laughing now coming from the IS department....waaaahhhaaaaaa

Lastly, I have the proper user ID, domain and password entered and I still cannot log on due to an IMAP error (Password or User account invalid). Yet, I can launch Outlook in Classic and be connected in seconds.

What a peice of garbage update...completely useless! What a joke.

>We're running Exchange 5.5

>> Well, there's your problem right there-- you can't read!

>> From the download page:

"Exchange Server access: If you will be using Exchange Update for Entourage X to access information on an Exchange server, the Exchange server you are connecting to must be Exchange Server 2000 with Service Pack 2 (or later)."


Problem is that it's Exchange and it should work. (I know I know ms blows) We can't upgrade to anything higher cause we'd have to upgrade to AD and rebuild our environment. So - m$ once again puts out a product that REQUIRES you to upgrade some f****** thing again.

I am tired of this -keep upgrading m$ products s***. ;)

Macs rule.

Still no proper handling of Public folders with calendar info or address info in them! All this seems to do is create an IMAP mail account to access the Exchange server (I could do that already) and set the LDAP to access the Global Address Book (I could do that already) and add free/busy calendar checking and sync with the Exchange server. Where's the FULL Exchange compatibility/features we were expecting. This IS a dissapointing update!!

This is about the minimum that they could do to say this update provides "Exchange connectivity"-- if you were expecting this to work as well as Outlook 2001 did when you were running OS 9, forget it.

Looks like our only hope now is Panther's Mail.app, Address Book, and iCal and their sneaky way of using Outlook Web Access to manipulate Exchange.

I've installed it and don't see support for PST files.
We don't keep mail on the exchange server, we want it to download to the personal folder so the server doesn't get full. I don't see where you can set a delivery location as you can in Outlook 2001.

Can anyone help?

"We're thrilled to offer the Exchange update. This is one of the most popular requests we've received since launching Office v. X and we're pleased to give our customers their top feature request. This will give Entourage X users cross-platform compatibility in an e-mail client designed to meet their needs," said Jessica Sommer, product manager for the MacBU.

The top feature request from customers was for Microsoft to f*** off and die.

After configuring the Exchange server part under accounts I have had no problems sending-receiving emails, scheduling, seeing other people's schedules etc. Syncing to the exchange server seems to be a little slow sometimes...

It doesn't work here. It sees the account but since there is no IMAP access to our server this is useless.

Half of those bitching on the boarding are for MS to stop making software for Mac, for Best Buy to not carry Macs and for Dell to stop selling iPods. No wonder there is the general impression that Mac users are fanatics and the marketshare is declining.

"We don't care our market share is declining and it does not mean a lot we are innovators with elegant solutions blah blah" Yeah, you will be saying that until you have the last running Mac in the world.

Of course, that won't happen but zealots are still a*******. Any company making software for Mac is a good thing. Any company carrying Mac software/hardware is a good thing.

Downloaded and installed fine (after noticing I had to install previous update first) but was getting a 'server not found' on the same server that Outlook 2001 in classic was connected to. Quit everything, tried it again and then I got an error saying that my account wasn't available on that server. Started outlook 2001 in classic again and now no matter what I do it can't find the exchange server (none of the 12 available actually).

Typical Microsoft, Why couldn;t they follow what they did with outlook 2001 for classic? First off, you need to specificy an outbound SMTP server! WHY???? 2001 did not require that! Second, you can not share your calendar beyond READ. Try calling MicroCRAP for support 45 minutes later your told that sorry but this is handled by the MS EXCHANGE JERKS AND they only handle support on a CALL BACK BASIS!!!!!

Apple - PLEASE GIVE US SOMETHING TO USE IN LEAU OF Outlook 2001! - THIS IS GARBAGE!!!

Hmmmmmm.......How convenient Microsoft. Now I just have to wait about a year for my company to upgrade the server so that I can actually use Exchange functions natively in OSX. Looks like this free upgrade is not so free after all.

it looks like all the update did was to create a specialized IMAP connector. you'll notice that if you are able to connect to your exchange server and read your mail, you are actually downloading everything into your ~/Documents/Microsoft User Data folder. Outlook 2001 didn't need to do this... why does Entourage??? come on MacBU!! you should be ashamed of yourselves on this one. You made Office v.X much better than the windows version... the least you could have done was to make Entourage on par with Outlook 2001. this is a huge step backward!

Yep, it's doing IMAP it seems. Total bummer.

Calendaring does not work. Well, I can not get it to work with our Exchange server.

I feel cheated.

... No wonder there is the general impression that Mac users are fanatics and the marketshare is declining.
...
Of course, that won't happen but zealots are still a*******. Any company making software for Mac is a good thing. Any company carrying Mac software/hardware is a good thing.


See, this is small-minded thinking. This is the "Its out there, so it must be good" concept. The problem is, what happens when the Macs at best buy end up like before, where they were either off, broken, wouldn't boot, etc? Why would a consumer at Best Buy think a Mac is any good if they can't use it, or look over at the software section and see just 6 titles for the Mac? They might have made a special trip to an Apple store or a CompUSA to see the Macs, but they were in best buy, saw these disfunctional computers and no software, and say to themselves "Maybe the guys at work are right. There's no software for the Mac. I should get a PC." (Oh, and if they're not saying that, they'd be saying, "$400 for Office.Mac? It only costs $200 for the PC! What a rip-off!").

And how you think badly performing and half-assed work like the apparant job done on the Entourage X update is a good thing, rather than a bad thing? Is it better to just not have it, or to have something that doesn't come close to working? Good software makes a platform look good. Crappy software makes a platform look cheap and less then tempting. And when you're running in second place, lousy software isn't going to sell ("hey, if I want to run poorly designed software that is troublesome and hard to use, I'll use windows, which has more of it!").

Great. Thanks alot Microsoft. I am the I.T. director for a small school district. We have migrated to OSX. I chose to use MS Entourage because of the promise of full compatibility with our 2000 Exchange servers for email. The setup for this is just as convuluted as before the update. How are my teachers going to be expected to know SMTP information? Of course the Windows version of this is superior, because Microsoft has "access to parts of the operating system that others don't have". I suppose you could use that excuse for why this update isn't worth the time it takes to download and install. The calendar sharing is terrible and public folders support is a joke. I pray that Apple makes iCal and Mail.app a robust alternative to this 99 dollar piece of s*** you guys at MS have sold us. Already I am considering ditching this all together. There isn't anything REALLY that the free Mail.app can't do compared to this garbage. Thanks for waiting until right before school starts too. Thanks alot!

Thanks so much! I have so EAGERLY anticipated sharing my calendars with my co-workers!!! This is amazing! Once again Microsoft releases a winner for the Mac community! Woo Hooo!!!!

back to classic or some other alternative, this is to date, the biggest pile MacBU has released. very unhappy.

methinks MacBU wont last two more years, their work is declining.

Anyone else having this issue? The installer hangs on the "searching the hard disc" section. I've left it there for an hour or more. I eventually have to force quit it. I have a fully licensed version of Office X.

I also tried the 10.1.3 update with a similar problem.

Anyone have this/fix this?

I have been using entourage with Exchange for over 2 years and have had a good experience with email. I was dissapointed to see that this release is not better then the Outlook for Windows version. I guess by complaining on this board microsoft will be quick to rectify this terrible mistake. Everyone out there that is pissed about this release do something about it by supporting small developers so they can write a non MS version of Outlook.

See, this is small-minded thinking. This is the "Its out there, so it must be good" concept.

No, you see, you are the small-minded thinking. You are thinking, if it is not directly controlled by Apple, i.e. Apple retail store, it cannot be good. If the software is not perfectly written, then it should not be out there at all, whether or not there is a need for it.

Therefore, YOU fall into the small-minded thinking that is prevalent here i.e. you'd prefer there be one single obsolete Mac out there in amusuem running the perfect OS and applications but no one is using rather than b/millions of Macs out there may not be perfect but are still better than nothing. [Sure, we all want billions of Mac out there running the perfect OS and apps but lets be realistic here.]

This is Bill, everyone in our company was laughing at all the people who would actually try to update thier systems with this software. Its just priceless! After everything thats been said about our company from all you mac people, we figured we'd get even, the installer randomly will install a "few" good updates on a random basis, all the other people will get bad installs (99%). Paybacks a b****, huh?
your friend,
Bill..
MicroSoft

MS chose to implement it using communication protocols unlikely to be turned on in major corporate installation in order to prevent Macs from being peers in those networks.

Furthermore, as should have been expected, they wrote it in a mnner that would require Exchange 2K, while fully comprehending that there are still many Exchange 5 installations out there.

It may well be a cart and horse thing. By not properly implementing Exchange communications protocols and relying on the lazy developer's approach by using IMAP, Exchnage 5 was not an option.

Nevertheless, while my hopes were high all summer, they were smashed upon this release. I have tried and cannot use it with my corporate network. I use Outlook 2001 for Mac and have everything forwarded to an external e-mail address and have notices to all people mailing me to use that different address.

I am VERY VERY disappointed. The Mac Buisness Unit should NEVER have approved this development path. It is they who should bear the blame for this extrememly poor implementation.

Except for Global AB, notes and tasks

I was having the installer issue too. I had already updated to 10.1.3 but re-ran the 10.1.2 again and it updated (down-dated) my Office X. I then ran the 10.1.4 update and it went.

I would like to hear from somebody that has Exchange Server 2000 and all the other necessary parts. DOES THIS WORK OK? Can ANYBODY make this WORK?

HELLO? HELLO!?!

Guess I'll check on another planet...

Any company making software for Mac is a good thing. Any company carrying Mac software/hardware is a good thing.

Sorry if my knowledge gets in the way of Microsoft worship or if I appear ungrateful. I can't get enthusiastic about Microsoft monopoly crapware.

I've used a lot of software and anything made by Microsoft is NEVER a good thing.

Maybe we just need to wait. :) (kidding!)

Initial Synchronization with Exchange Server The initial synchronization between Entourage X and the Exchange server can be lengthy, especially if you have a large number of contacts or Calendar items. During synchronization, Entourage does not provide any indication of progress, although synchronization is occurring. If you attempt to quit Entourage before synchronization is complete, you will see a message informing you that synchronization is not complete and you will have the option to finish the synchronization or quit without finishing.

Hey there everyone,

I've read through all of the MS docs on how to configure Entourage to work with an Exchange server and I still can't get the calendaring to work (Free/Busy data not found, error -3170 OR error -3248). Sending and receiving mail works, Public Folders are visible, I can search the Global Address List through the LDAP service, but no calendar.

I am running MS Exchange 2000 SP2. We meet all of the MS requirements for Entourage to work with the server (IMAP4, SMTP, Outlook Web Access--OWA, and LDAP are all running on the server) so I'm not sure what it is.

I've tried reducing the authrentication settings to the lowest possible thinking maybe it was a SSL/authentication problem, I've compared all the port/security settings between the Entourage client and the Exchange 2k System Manager and they all match up.

Anyone have any ideas? The only thing I can think of is that we ran the MS IIS Lockdown tool and maybe that disabled some part of the WebDAV protocol that the Entourage calendar needs. Can anyone confirm this? Also, the error -3170 occurs if I'm trying to invite someone w/ an Exchange mailbox to a meeting, the error -3248 is if I'm trying to invite someone with an outside email address...but this isn't even consistent.

I'll post this around to a few forums and get the ball rolling since I'm sure there'll be more people with this problem once word gets out about the update.

-Evan

Evan, same problem here.

We don't have that problem at our office. We are not allowed to use any Microsoft technology at all on our workstations or our servers. I pity the rest of you poor b*******.

No message here...just an observation.

Hello,

following the discussion I suddendly remembered te release of Office 6 for Macintosh. Is was so badly implemented in compare to Release 5 that nobody upgraded, who didn't have to. Even the drop down menus had Windows related underlines for the keyboard shortcuts and some runtime VB spoiled the speed of the application. It was so bad, slow and unstable, that nobody wanted to use it or blamed the Macintosh for it. Accidently, that was just around the time, when Windows 95 came out and Office 95 as well. So it was very obvious, that MS spoiled the Macintosh version, to move people over to Windows. That was also at the time in 96/97 when Apple was doing everything wrong. The combination of both ( Apple not knowing what they werde doing and the worst Office implementation ever ) made a lot of companies ( like KPMG, Roland Berger ) switch from Macintosh to PC at that time.
With denying Macintosh OS X users the same functionality as Outlook 2001 users, MS obviously tries to prevent migration and use of OS X in company networks. If you can't use OS X with Exchange you are busted in most companies and the IS will define OS X as immature, because it can't connect to "standard" mailservers. So this is hurting Apple's and OS X reputation a lot, if software like this comes out. If it doesn't work, guess who will be blamed by MS centric IT departments ? MS or Apple ? And which Admin will keep on trying ?
Makes you think ??

There seems to me that there is a bug in the serverside of exchange that makes browsing mail slow if you put in ther server name. Swap that out for ther mail server IP and you should see at least some speed improvement. I know that shouldn't be, but hey M$ doensn't make the bug just the workarounds

I had no installation quirks. Excel and Word starts up just fine, but PowerPoint crashes 5 seconds after the menu appears.

Any solutions out there?

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/feedback/suggestion.asp

I suggest everyone with an opinion (all Mac users) go to that URL and tell the MacBU what you think of this new piece of c*** update.

QUIT WHINING, YOU LITTLE b******. Nothing is ever good enough for you crybabies! At least we got this...give it time...

Here we are stuck again. Our company has the wrong type of exchange server, so this update is useless to us. We have no say in updating the server, and I already have to kiss butt for all the other updates we had to do to go to OSX( but i do love it) ie: AE 5.5 + all plugins, new scanner, new printer, new targa card... blah blah blah,,, My boss nearly had a heart attack at all the money we spent upgrading, and now i need to suggest to update the exhange server... Yeah right!!!

Does anyone have anymore information on Panthers mail.app with exchange functions? Id rather pay another lame apple update fee for panther ($125.00 are you kidding me) for exhange support through them, then 99 dollars to MS. At least that would make the $125.00 worth it. Because with out that function, I would consider Panther a free update, there really is nothing that awsome about it to charge $125.....
updates, updates, updates.... (will it ever end?);-(

-D

Panther is getting exchange services!

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/pantherexchange.html

This means that you will NOT have to bend over and take it from MS!

It doesnt work. The installer couldnt find MSOFFICE. After two new clean installs I deleted the 10.1.4 Upgrade and went back to 10.1.2. I have zero time for an ongoing experiment.

You are wong: Panther is getting exchange services!

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/pantherexchange.html

This means that you will NOT have to bend over and take it from MS!

Mail in Panther is the same functionality as the new Entourage. IMAP4 not the more important MAPI. MAPI is proprietary and not well documented thus difficult to reverse engineer. Not impossible but the advance stuff in Panther floating around does not point to MAPI support but the same old IMAP4, SMTP , webaccess.

Ok, listen up.
Here it is, the last word in the rename game:

Micros**t

Pass it on. It is due to dominate because you have to fill in the blanks yourself.