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Palm debuts Tungsten T2 handheld

updated 10:40 am EDT, Wed July 23, 2003

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Palm today introduced the handheld with integrated Bluetooth and voice-recorder capabilities as well as 32MB SDRAM (29.5MB user available) of memory--twice that of the original Tungsten, a high-resolution 320x320 TFT display, Palm OS v5.2.1, and new MP3, video playback, and photo software. The Palm Tungsten T2 handheld is expected to cost $400. Also effective today, Palm announced the price reduction of two current handhelds. The Palm m130 handheld is reduced from $200 to $180, and the Palm m515 handheld is reduced from $300 to $250.

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sucks

looks like palm won't be releasing a 5.2 upgrade for original tungsten owners? when did palm get to be like sony?

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why use 5.2?

it allows for more memory intenerally, which you can't have.

that's it.

why do you care about 5.2? you should care about palm OS 6 :)

and, unlike sony, you can sync your Palm devices with your mac without third party software.

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what about WIFI

no 802.11b? whats up with that

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5.2!

Not only do you get 32MB of ram, but you get that super s*** screen that is on the Zire 71. Go read some reviews of the Z71 - you'll understand.

Also - palm 5.2 gives you grafiti 2 so you can write directly on the screen.

This is perfect as I wanted the TT for the sweet design, but it seemed like less of a pda (screen wise) compared to the Z71. I didn't really want the camera so this is just the ticket.

NICE!!

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No thanks

Palm sucks...for $100 less I can get a smaller, faster PocketPC with 2x the memory.

(wait for it...here comes the wrath of the mac fanboys: "pocket pc sucks, MS sucks," etc etc)

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Right...

palm 5.2 gives you grafiti 2 so you can write directly on the screen.
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Right, something the competitor (PocketPC, Newton, Zaurus, etc) had since day 1. Palm sucks.

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re: what about WiFi

The Tungsten C has Wifi.

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re-no thanks

I'm a MacFanBoy, as you say and for the life of me, I can't see why you would want to be haunted by Windows when you are safely away from a PC and on the go? Having a PocketPC is like carrying around a boat anchor...they're both ugly, have only one function and will end up in the bay one day. Stop embarrassing your self; get rid of the Pocket PC. You deserve better. Maybe then, girls will like you. (I'm sorry for the last line).

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PocketPC

Sure, you could always get more memory from a PocketPC than other platforms. That's because you always NEEDED it. Palm's software run on much smaller footprints... no flame, just the facts.

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re: Pocket PC

there is shareware that lets OSX users use a PocketPC. so you can have your cake and eat it too if you so desire.

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I see we have some Palm zealots on this board too. For the longest time Palm's saying the Zen of Palm. Then, PPC cameout with its multimedia capabilities (MP3, WMA, MPEG-1, OGG, DivX, etc) at hi-res (320x240). WHo needs it, Palm said... before they started to add those funtionalities themselves.

Palm is also slower to come out with BT and WF. Go ahead. Extol how simple it is. How elegant it is. Joke about BSOD and M$ and and Bill and bloat. That is the only way you can attack when you run out of things concrete to prove your point. And this is not about PPC either. Zaurus and Newton were also ahead of the Palm in so many ways that Palm is just beginning to catch up in the last 6 months.

Palm zealots suck too.

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T2 is so 1990's

This is the time of The Rise of The Machines.

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Oh god

Not a Palm vs PPC flamewar. The points have been made a zillion times.

1) Palm
Good: Faster, more efficient, does the basic stuff well, smaller, better battery life and more software (plus software maturity).
Bad: Until reciently, the OS was pretty basic, little support for "advanced" features like multimedia and networking though you could mostly get around it.

2) PPC
Good: More powerful OS, "true" desktop replacement, etc, etc. Less like a datebook and more like a handheld computer.
Bad: Poor battery life, big and bloated, typical Microsoft buggy software (doesn't work with macs, MS bugs, etc.) Propriatary MS solutions.

The point is, they have been and always will be targeted for different markets. Palm has always been about doing things as efficient as possible. Microsoft has been about cramming every possible feature into a handheld for fear that handhelds will replace desktops and MS won't then have a piece of the pie. If you want to play Quake in your hands, buy a PPC. If you want to actually get some work done, buy a Palm. Simple.

The only reason PPC has been gaining market share is:
A) People's fear that they won't be compatable with Windows and thus need an MS-backed solution and
B) Palm's reluctance to make their OS more robust and add in the more advanced stuff like multimedia. This tendancy has been reversed in receint years and I now think Palm is on the right track for a efficient while robust ballance.
C) The percieved performance gap. PPC's appear "better" because they have "faster" processors and loads of built-in RAM. Despite the fact that Palm apps don't typically need that horsepower.

To answer your points about Palm.

"MP3, WMA, MPEG-1, OGG, DivX, etc) at hi-res (320x240)" "Palm is also slower to come out with BT and WF"

Palms play MP3s. WMA sucks, and nobody cares about it anyway. OGG is nice, but MP3s are just fine (get a real MP3 player if you need more capability, there are zillions out there.) MPEG and DivX: Palms have the ablity to view video via conversion programs (I think even some MPEG players are out there.) But what is the point of this? Are you REALLY going to be watching movie trailers all day on your PPC? Editing digital video? I didn't think so. I say if you need true desktop capabilty then get a laptop. It's monic to be whining over being able to watch a trailer on a 320 x 320 screen. Same goes for any other type of video: it's just too damn small.

Palm has BT, WF and hi-res, so those are no longer valid points. Who cares how long it took? They're here now, and that's what matters.

PPC zellots are just morons. There is no reason anyone but the geekiest person on slashdot gives a c*** about watching a Divx movie or playing Quake on their handhelds. Palms are about getting work done. If you want to play Doom

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3, get a PC. Desktops will ALWAYS have more capablity then handhelds because it's easier to develop bigger things then smaller things.

PPC people whine how Palms are less capable. Then they go off and play OGG and Divx till they burn out their 4 hour battery life. While the Palm guy has just completed a multipage novel with Wordsmith. Which is more important, doing your work better or having a feature you shouldn't be using on a handheld anyway?

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hmm

While the Palm guy has just completed a multipage novel with Wordsmith.
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Right, Zaurus/PPC/etc others cannot do that. Only a Palm can. Yeah... OK

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Damn!!

This Palm does alot of stuff, but still no b******! What's up with that? When will the PDA guys ever learn?

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"Right, Zaurus/PPC/etc others cannot do that. Only a Palm can."

Did I say that? No. Come back when you have a response to something I actually said.

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Palm debuts Tungsten T2 handheld

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right

T2 is so 1990's

Oh god

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