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'Apple software strategy under fire'

updated 08:00 am EDT, Wed July 9, 2003

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The Associated Press talks about the ramifications of , in light of the Adobe's recent Windows-only announcements for two of its products: "Intentionally or not, 'Apple is pursuing a strategy that locks out their third-party software vendors,' said Avi Greengart, analyst with Jupiter Research."

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MS

Yes because Microsoft doesn't provide software with the OS that competes with other 3rd party companies.

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Adobe crappy softwares...

The problem is the quality of the products, Adobe does a great Windows version, but a bad Mac version (no dual G4 support, bad altivec one etc.)...

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Wahhh....

Don't like it? Build a better product.

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Source available

Isn't the source of Apple's Darwin core availabe? Giving developers more insight in the OS guts then is the case with Windows (Ok the GUI is closed source)?
And why is MS complaining about Safari, because Apple used open source? And offers WebCore to third party developers (OmniWeb 4.5b2 uses WebCore for instance)?

I agree Apple should not kill small developers by implementing there bright ideas but come on if Adobe or MS can't beat Apple on the quality level they should not start pointing fingers at Apple.

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07/09, 08:27am | report spam | close Reply |
iApps

For years people have been complaining that there is no software for the Mac, or that it is inferior to that on the PC. Apple finally said, "fine, we'll make it ourselves!" Now they are making great apps and everyone is saying this is a bad move. iMovie, iDVD, iTunes, and iPhoto sparked a surge of competing products-mostly on the PC. Final Cut Pro - a direct comptitor to Premier - is one of the best products out there for video editing. Does Adobe feel that their product is not as good as FCP?

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07/09, 08:32am | report spam | close Reply |
tsk tsk

once again apple can't win. their iapps have led the way for the pc versions, for years people complained about no apps for mac's or if there were they came out late. the difference is nobody would make apps for the mac in a timely manner so apple did whereas ms had plenty of apps until ms would steal steal them and crush the competition.

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Ugh

I'm so damn tired of hearing this S@#$!!!!

My question to the author is: What would you have done if you were Apple?

If you take a snapshot of Apple, you may see the iApps and FCP are competing with 3rd party developers, but if there weren't iApps or FCP, I doubt there would be an OS to develop for! I hate to say it, but Apple lured a TON of their user base to OS X by offering very compelling (and FREE) iApps. They also FORCED the jump on some by offering "pro only" features with upgrades (that would only work on OS X).

Here is a clue to 3rd party developers... The bar has been raised... you can compete, you just have to offer something more compelling!

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I mean Really

Is Apple using any connects to the OS that other companies are not able to get to? I personally don't know, but doubt it. Apple make VERY good apps. It seems more that other companies don't want to compete when the competition is hard. Apple has shown many time (especially the OS) that they will compete, almost no matter how much the odds are against them... What is wrong with everyone else?

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Nuts

You people are nuts. iApps a-go-go, who cares, they generally compete with no one, or small vendors who move on (some og their cores were even based on those smaller vendors code - purchased/licenced by Apple).

But when Apple went with FCP that was a definite move into someone else's territory - and the inevitable happened, Adobe pulled out of the Mac development for Preniere.

If this is as far as it goes, then fine, we'll survive, but if Apple keeps going down this route then there will be problems to come. I'm happy for them to compete against Office, but they had better deliver a beter product or we get second rate products and no options to buy elsewhere.

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It's really simple

If you what Apple user market share, make a better product. At least our platform of choice makes some of the finest packages of software out there, unlike M$ which has inferior software bundled with their OS. Adobe, from a business stand point make the right desision, their product was simple not as good as Apples and based on the number of users out there there just wasn't enough room to go around. I understand their move from a business perspective. But, Apple understands that they are not just trying to be the best on their platform, but on all platforms, so Premier is still competing with FCP, just not on the Mac. In the long run, I think this will be better for Apple, perhaps gaining those users if they don't switch platforms, at this level of software we are talking platform due to it software and productivity on that platform as opposed to just which you prefer.

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Yeah so?

Explorer :dead yeah so?

Premiere : Yeah so?

Safari, Camino and Omniweb are better than IE.

FCE and FCP are excellentproducts that even big time editors/studios use, and for those who have worked with Avid for years ( I know a couple) even say FCP is better than Premiere.

So, yeah so?

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Yeah so?

Explorer :dead yeah so?

Premiere : Yeah so?

Safari, Camino and Omniweb are better than IE.

FCE and FCP are excellent products that even big time editors/studios use, and for those who have worked with Avid for years ( I know a couple) even say FCP is better than Premiere.

So, yeah so?

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y stevie kant reed...

It would seem that everyone is griping that Steve jobs isn't an idiot.

He's leveraging the many of the same strategies that helped Microsoft claw its way into dominance, only doing it with style.

Geez..Microsoft effectively wiped out a pioneer (Netscape) on both platforms and there was relatively little said given the massive impact .. that affected EVERYONE, FCP only affects a few people

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Some Bad?

If Adobe has limited products available on the Mac, users switching to the Mac would be the last thing adobe would want. Does this mean we will see a shift in the balance of quality? MS had been doing this for years (before more recent versions).

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RE: y stevie kant reed...

What?!?

Relatively little was said about Netscape losing out to IE? What planet are you from?

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Whining Over Apple

The author of this news article makes some uninformed statements when comparing Apple's development of software with what Microsoft has done, and by putting the blame for Adobe and Microsoft's decisions regarding Premiere and Explorer.

In her article, May Wong makes it sound like Apple is locking out third party developers by implementing a proprietary operating system strategy. The quote from the Microsoft Business Unit seems to back this up. The problem with this is that it is completely incorrect. The Mac OS with its Darwin Core and UNIX base is completely open, and I am unaware of anything that Apple has done to make it difficult for developers to create world-class applications. Microsoft is the one that is guilty of using this strategy by using monopolistic business practices to stamp out the competition.

Certainly, large companies such as Apple have resources such as money, talent and marketing capabilities that smaller companies do not have. Is it unfair for Apple to use these resources to create and improve products? If you answer "yes" then it would be logical to say that any company with larger resources can be accused of being unfair because it has more power.

The fact of the matter is that Microsoft and Adobe are very large companies with incredible financial resources. They could easily improve Premiere and Internet Explorer and make them better than Final Cut and Safari if they wanted to. Apple's software strategy cannot be blamed for Adobe and Microsoft's decisions.

In our capitalistic society, the stronger guy wins. And, as long as it's a "fair" win, I don't think there's much to say, though some people will whine about it. If the win is achieved "unfairly" then that's when good investigative reporting needs to be done and companies need to be called into the carpet. Based on the lack of good analysis and details I would say that May Wong's article is more of a whine than anything else.

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Sounds like sour grapes

The Video group guy from Adobe sounded like sour grapes. You can be certain that there were few if any home video people going out to buy Premier for $549 to do their home video projects, so they weren't compeating with iMovie. And up until recently, you couldn't get the power of Final Cut Pro for less than $999. That left them with plenty of time to create a product that could compete with FCP - but they didn't. They had years to do it and didn't, so now the Premier market on the Mac is tiny - what a surprise.

Internet Explorer: WTF is MacBU complaining about??? They had placement as the default browser for YEARS yet they never made IE all that great, and certainly not fast. When everyone considers browsing speed on the Mac to be a joke do you expect Apple to stand there and beg MS to make it faster or do it themselves? And guess what - they made Safari a fast browser without any special system backdoors. How? Simple, performance was their key feature, they stove for it. They knew that Mac Users wanted a browser that was fast, so they built it, and it was fast. The IE team could have done the same thing, but instead they put out c*** updates for 3 years and never got faster. So again, Safari is a better browser because Apple worked hard at making it on, and because MS didn't.

All I can say is thank you to all of the Apple engineers that are working extremely hard to make software for our platform that is as good as it can be, instead of mearly functional. Articles like this belittle that effort.

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Premier... BYE BYE

Adobe should of just said that FCP is a better product and that Avid has a better product. That's why adobe isn't supporting the Premier for the Mac.
No one would buy it. The competition is too good.

Apple has decided to not let key software sectors be left to 3rd party developers that may drop the mac whenever they want. Or let the Mac experience be hampered by PC like products that aren't up to standards.

Apple doesn't SELL that many different software products. But they do give alot away when you buy a mac. And that's good for me.

Apple makes a superior OS and writes superior software for it when necessary.

Microsoft has a o.k. OS and fails pretty badly when they try and emulate Apple.

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you said it..

"But when Apple went with FCP that was a definite move into someone else's territory - and the inevitable happened, Adobe pulled out of the Mac development for Preniere"

boy, if that doesn't say it all.. so, rather that take *any* competition from *anybody*, they simply turn tail and run. God forbid someone should walk into another company's "territory". Territory!!?!??!? Message to Adobe: keep up or shut up.

the way they handled 'competition' is just fscking pathetic

i'll echo the same statement that keeps coming up, so that some of you might be able to get it into your head: Darwin is open (and free), the Developer Tools are some of the best available (and free), etc.. Apple isn't making it any more difficult for another company to come into *their* territory.. you just better have your sh#t together, because Apple certainly does. Competing with half-baked, outdated software wont be enough.

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the conundrum

The problem is this:

If Apple wants switchers, it needs Mac versions of popular Windows applications. However, the switchers will be unlikely to switch if they find that the Mac version sucks. It's going to be extremely difficult to get them to look at the Mac-native alternative (even if it is far superior). They may evaluate an alternative after making the switch. It seems Apple needs both the Mac version of the Windows app, and a better alternative that is Mac-native. But that doesn't seem to be a possibility.

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Damned if they don't...

and now damned if they do create software for the Mac OS.
I'm so happy that Apple decided to create their own software - especially for video editing. I was forced to use Premiere for years and could not have been happier when FCP arrived. Premiere was simply not competitive so it died for Mac.

If Windoze editors ever got the chance to try FCP on their Wintel boxes Adobe would be in even more trouble... Uh-oh what a concept! Apple writting superior software for the dark side?

I think this is what all the "sour grapes" are really about over Adobe dropping Mac development for Premiere - gut fear over a very strong competitor. Not only is Apple charging ahead and developing innovative quality hardware products but it is also now threatening the status quo by aggressively moving into the Wintel world's once exclusive and protected (by default) software dominance. I just can't wait to see the columns screaming "bad move by Apple" when iTunes for windoze hit's the stage in a couple of months and the Apple Music store takes off...

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Let's go all the way.

Let's develop great games just for the Mac.

That would honestly make over 60% of all PC users switch.
Most of them are game-heads anyway.

I'd rather have a solid 20% of the entire market filled with dedicated hardworking users, than mostly fickle gamers.

Final Cut Pro is a superior product to Premier by Adobe and it was a business decision soundly based in Adobe's childish hierarchy in management. They are all a bunch of pussies.

I dare them to remove support for After Effects and the lot.
Acrobat, Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign (Sucks by the way).

You can do it all in Macromedia Studio, except Acrobat, and they
wouldn't dare remove support for that. They can't. (Mooohaaaahha)

Dumbasses

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Premier wont be missed.

Email this author. This program was getting so outdated.
Apple is doing the right thing by making sure up to date apps are out there for the mac.

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Hey

Apple is porting iPod software to Windows....

Ain't it a hoot?

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Re: Nuts

But when Apple went with FCP that was a definite move into someone else's territory - and the inevitable happened, Adobe pulled out of the Mac development for Preniere.

First off, Apple bought FCP from Macromedia (I believe). So would Adobe had pulled out if it were Macromedia selling FCP for $999 (and FCE for $249)?

Second, Apple had to move this way with FCP. Why? Because Adobe Premiere wasn't moving ahead fast enough to new technology on the Mac, and there were rumblings about Avid leaving (h***, I think once they did leave). Apple wasn't going to let the video-editing industry leave without a fight, so it had to fight.

If this is as far as it goes, then fine, we'll survive, but if Apple keeps going down this route then there will be problems to come. I'm happy for them to compete against Office, but they had better deliver a beter product or we get second rate products and no options to buy elsewhere.

Wait? Why is competing with Office OK? Won't that just spur MS to leave, too? How is FCP a bad thing but AppleOffice a good thing?

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Covering their a$$es

The one thing unclear about Safari and IE is a question of timing. Did Apple start the Safari project because it knew MS was pulling out IE, or did MS pull IE because of Safari (h***, how come MS didn't pull out IE because of Netscape, Mozilla, etc?). I tend to believe the former. MS is THE internet standard these days, with all their extensions and rot. Too many websites whine about not having IE 6 installed or some such nonsense. So, now that they've basically won that match, they're using their browser dominance to help enforce their dominance in the OS market. "Don't go to Apple or Linux. Only Windows has IE, the benchmark of browsers."

Oh, and I always thought it was funny hearing the MacBU complaining that IE for Mac had no chance because Safari uses some proprietary and undocumented system calls (and it does, and Apple does do this, just look at their menu-extras, which are supposed to not exist, but do, but no one else is supposed to use them, because their for OS operations, not any ol' thing, except apple uses them for iChat and other stuff). IE for windows leads the browsing crown for the very fact that its integrated into the OS, and uses internal OS calls not available to third-party developers. [I also find it funny when people talk about how fast IE for windows starts up. Well of course it starts up quickly. Since IE is used throughout the UI (which helps give Windows that gunky feel), when you start IE, it doesn't have to load in the rendering code, just the browser specific stuff. The time saved here is spent when you first start up windows, when it has to load all that code. They use a similar trick to get Office to open quickly too.]

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If you can't compete....

If you can't compete, get out of the house...

Apple raised the bar on what companies can release as quality software and compete. Apple isn't driving good products away, they are weeding out the c*** by producing quality products that compete better. Apple has never done anything to make any third party product run poorly on the OS, Apple just makes a product that people like better. So, to reiterate, if you can't compete, you're gonna get stomped out.

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Wiping out Netscape

"Microsoft effectively wiped out a pioneer (Netscape) on both platforms and there was relatively little said given the massive impact."

Well, yeah, sure, if you ignore that pesky little anti-trust suit and all of the journalism surrounding the issue.

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Missing the Point

From what I have read so far, most of you miss the point.

First, Apple needs 3rd Party Developers�particularly big name companies like Microsoft and Adboe�if the platform is going to survive. It does not matter how great the next version of AppleWorks will be if the documents cannot be read on another platform.

The opposite is true as well. My school will be dumping AppleWorks 6 in favor of MS Office this year. Our IT department had enough of translating and reformating the Office documetns that came into our school. (Don't say anything about universal formats such as RTF or whatever. I know it, you know it, but 90% of the world doesn't know it or won't/can't do it.)

Second, one of the bigger complaints against MS is that they don't create anything in house, but they either buy or copy some 3rd Part Developer and shut out the rest in the process. MS prucahsed the spreadsheet program that would be Exel for example.

How many different MP3 players were available for the Mac before iTunes came along? I had at least five�MacAmp, MacCast, Sound Jam, Audion and Musicmatch Jukebox. I am sure there were others. But after Apple aquired the guts to Sound Jam, it and other MP3 players went bye-bye. Who is going to pay $19.95 for an MP3 player when iTunes is free?

So what you say? Well, iTunes may be a great app for organizing MP3s, its MP3 engine is not the best for playing or, more importantly, ripping MP3s. iTunes also lacks some of the features of Sound Jam, such as the "line-in" function. As theese 3rd Party Developers step aside, we Mac users end up with fewer choices and perhaps lower quality.

Then there is what Apple did to Watson. Apple took the Watson concept and applied it to Sherlock. Apple did not buy out the developers, Apple did not acknowledge the developers, Apple just ripped off Watson and called it Sherlock then patted themselves on the back for being so innovative. Isn't this the very same thing we condemn MS for when it comes to Windows?

With the exception of iTunes noted above, I don't think the article is accurate regarding the iLife apps. Before iMovie and iDVD, consumer level digital video editing and DVD authoring applications were not abundant on either platform. Apple did spark a revolution.

Despite this, Apple does need to be careful.

It does not matter if Safari or OmniWeb are open sourced, more standards compliant, faster, or more stable. Why? Rightly or wrongly, most of the world creates web pages that are compliant with Explorer for Windows and little else. Several banking instituions come to mind as well as a real estate broker service wbe page in Seattle. If you are not on Windows using IE 6 you cannot access these pages. Heck, even Apple's .Mac site is not fully compatible with Safari. (You cannot edit your .Mac Homepage with Safari becuase the site is only compatible with IE 5 o

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We need the best software

The only way the Mac will be popular is if the software available on the platform beats the pants off of everything out there. Apple is doing a great job!

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re:Missing the Point

Exactly!

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Re: Watson

I'm not apologizing for Apple on the Sherlock/Watson thing, but I think it should be pointed out that Watson was an extension of the Sherlock concept (hence the name). I think Apple would have decided to go eye for an eye on that one, and say: Hey if Watson can remake Sherlock better, we'll do Sherlock 2 better than Watson.

Thats what I would have done. So if someone makes a free or shareware MP3 player that basically steals all of iTunes ideas, then extends it, adding some unique ideas, should I expect to get bought out? or should I expect Apple to come up with similar ideas to my iTunes killer? I would expect the latter.

Premiere sucked big time. I would bet Final Cut Express wasn't even out by the time these decisions were made, or at least concieved. So Apple releases a product that costs substantially more than the existing "standard" on the platform whose users aren't satisfied with the product for years, takes away the lion's share of the market, and somehow is unfairly pushing out 3rd party developers?

Maybe they're just making innovative products. Would Apple dare to do that?

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Apple will crush them!

The mac community is small, so any time Apple steps on a developer's toes (Watson/Sherlock, etc.) we hear about it. In some cases I think that Apple was being unfair and predatory, but for the most part Apple is improving software for the Mac.

Fact is, Apple can develop some great apps for the Mac platform, and may eventually develop great apps for the Windows platform as well. Isn't this what everyone was crying for Apple to do a few years back - become a software company instead of a hardware company? But when it comes to pass, no, that's the wrong thing to do. Armchair quarterbacking is *so* much fun!

Premier was junk. Good riddance. IE was junk. Good riddance. There's lots of other junk out there that Apple will eventually replace with better software. Apple is making damn sure it is not being left behind in the digital entertainment era. Stop thinking in terms of marketshare - it's a lost cause. Start thinking in terms of a relatively small company that makes really great products and stays in business because of that.

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Safari and IE

The loss of Internet Explorer on the Mac is almost certainly not a result of Safari. Microsoft had already announced that there will no longer be a standalone version of IE for Windows, either - it will be integrated totally into the OS. In the future, if you want to upgrade your browser, you'll need to buy the newest version of Windows. No more Free Browser Ride. When I read that, I assumed that an announcement would be forthcoming about the termination of the Mac IE, and indeed there was.

I think it's unfortunate that Adobe is dropping the Mac from Premiere support, but not devastating. (Again, this is old news - Adobe announced this at least two months ago.) The other Windows-only products they announced are already duplicated in Mac software. Photoshop Album is just an iPhoto look-alike, for instance, down to being able to create and order linen-bound books of images.

I don't know how well FCP integrates with Photoshop, After Effects, and the other flagship Adobe products. If it does, then I don't think it will hurt Apple much, After all, they're still producing Mac versions of those programs. I'd be much (much!) more troubled if they started backing away from After Effects or (shudder) Photoshop.

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So What??

So what if Adobe drops support for Premiere?? How many users do you think were actually using Premiere? How many users were fed up with Premiere's ... umm... "Intricacies?"

Fact of the matter is, Apple is starting to compete with some of the big players in the market -- Microsoft, Adobe, and Macromedia (in some respects). Apple is creating superior products to those out there, and is causing a big stir. Competition is tough folks; it's not for the faint of heart.

Adobe could easily create a version of Premiere for MacOS X. What they realize is that they waited so damned long to come out with a decent version that FCP has gone through 3 revisions and has won awards and is now the de facto standard!! Premiere could easily have done that YEARS ago. But the big question is, if Macromedia had turned FCP into what it is today (it did own FCP), would Adobe still be in the business?? Possibly.

I don't think there's anything wrong with APple wanting to make better products. Apple can always compete with Premiere and port over FCP to PC. Let's see if ADobe pulls out of the market all together after that!!

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Adobe

Adobe : Understood how they lost all ground to FCP and this is an admition of their inability to ante up. It was a simple-minded business decision on their part. Now some executive somewhere is going to get his 100,000.00 landscaping comped by Adobe...

Losers.
Looooohooooo sers.

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Makes Me Laugh

Lets think about this for a minute. What did the mac come out with that was useful before Apple made the iApps and Safari. I hated IE it was slow and crappy. This is part of the digital hub strategy and these are low cost apps for the avg person who doesnt need to do all the fancy stuff. Only exception is iTunes which is actually soundjam. I think apple should stick to it too. Also it was said Adobe left because of too much competition on the mac. Dont forget about Avid. I think if it was just apple and Adobe then it would of been different. Adobe would of kept up premier. Right now Avid and Apple are at each others throats winning the video market. This is my perspective on the whole thing. I think its great that the mac comes with stuff so we can do are work right when we get our new computers out of the box. This is what will happen in the future too probably. A slimmed down version of Keynote, iWrite, iCell, or something of that sort for an office package. Then they will have an advanced package. What about MS lets not forget how many apps they sell I low quality like FrontPage but still i think thats competition. They wouldnt even put Netscape pre_installed on machines for awhile and still dont.

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Audion and Watson

Audion and Watson are still being developed. Apple apps overlapped what these two programs do, but their developers responded by redefining the programs' raison d'�tre, if you will.

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I got a few more things t

I dont have time to quote so I am just going to say it right now.

Someone said that the iPod got rid of a lot of MP3 players for the market. This is not true at all. The truth is that it sparked big companies to make better MP3 players. Heck I just read an article and on it in MacWorld I believe. More MP3 players are on the mac now then ever before.

Also Apple needs to grasp its hands around the creative industry. Thats how the mac survives. Apple is a creative company creating wonderful products for wonderful creative people. Therefore it is important that programs like FCP are around. AppleWorks 6 sucked to begin with, and never supported MS stuff that well. It hasnt been updated in a long time. I think keynote is the start of something great. Just because adobe dropped premier doesnt mean that they are going to drop "PhotoShop". Its not a bad thing at all. If PhotoShop left then it would be a huge problem. I remember the old days when Apple made nothing. the iApps are smart because they allow people to do great things with speed and ease. MS could never mount to that. FCP is better too and a lot of video industries will switch as it gets better. Dont forget we also got Avid. I used Avid for awhile and it is great too. So this isnt a worry. Adobe makes plenty of nice apps. Expect Acrobat to get dropped as preview takes it over. This is OK. I heard Photoshops next version will be X only. Adobe needs to spend there resources on important apps like photoshop. This is looking at it from a productivity standpoint.

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Before iTunes was SoundJam which beat the c*** out of Audion. Sherlock and Watson. Please another bad combo. Next thing you know you guys will be claiming that the Calculator is competeing with TI Graph link or something. Also its just not apple that was the reason Adobe left. Avid is another reason. To much competition in a small market the mac platform. They could put tons of money in time in premier that could of been spend on a better selling product like PhotoShop. Stop crying cause you lost premier its a smart decision on Adobes part and it isn't the end of the world. Main point is Premier would not of sold a lot with Apple and Avid around.

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