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Readers receive NUM 8.0, problems noted

updated 10:10 pm EDT, Wed June 25, 2003

 
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MacNN readers have reported receiving Symantec's last week). Two readers provided different descriptions of errors, including problems defragmenting drives (confirmed by Symantec) and unexplained kernel panics--although other readers note no problems with the latest NUM 8.0 release.





Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:47:56 EDT

To: news@macnn.com

Subject: Warning about Norton Utils 8.0 for Mac CD



Dear folks,



I wanted to provide an initial report of problems using the just-released Norton Utilities for Macintosh 8.0 CD in order to warn prospective buyers...I have experienced three Kernel Panics while running from the CD, including one with Speed Disk while optimizing, once at the end of Speed Disk when it is rechecking files, and one while using Wipe Free Space. Previously, over two years, I have never had a Kernel Panic.



When running Norton Disk Doctor to Check Media or running Speed Disk to optimize, the CD puts the display to sleep after a while, and the display will not come back on, despite pressing keys, the mouse button, or moving the mouse. The only option is to reboot.



Finally, the version of MacOSX that the CD boots from is 10.2.3, despite the fact that it was just released a few days ago, rather than the currently-shipping 10.2.6.



My system config is: PowerMac G4/733 (Digital Audio), 1GB RAM, ATI Radeon 8500 64MB AGP video card, Pioneer DVR-103 CD/DVD-RW drive.




Thanks,

David Lawhon






Email: yngfhs

Subject: Norton 8 and 12" Powerbooks

Timestamp: Wednesday, June 25, 2003, 9:59pm



I recently received my copy of Norton Utilities v8 to use on my 12" Powerbook. When I booted from the CDROM to defrag my HD, I was surprised to learn the NUM 8.0 could not proceed. Here is my query to Symantec and their reply:



"12" PowerBook - I boot from Norton CDROM and try to run speed disk - get a message indicating that the disk is too large to proceed.. It is a 40MB, and I have defragged much larger drives before with NUM...."



"This is an issue that we are aware of and are currently investigating. It would appear to be an issue that affects a very small amount of drives and is dependent on the number of files on the volume. Hopefully we will have more information on this situation as soon as possible. I apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for your patience in this matter."





Readers can email problems and other experiences to us directly.


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  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    Not unexpected

    The kernel panic issue obviously never bothered the NUM developers in version 7, or they would have fixed it in 8.0. Maybe we could petition them to not require the installation of several unstable and unneeded kernel extensions. It may save you a lot of headaches to go out and buy Drive 10 or Disk Warrior before trying to recover a damaged disk using a very unstable system.

    (As a side note, it seems that the kernel panics occur at a specific time after the system boots, rather than anything you might do as user input - I had kernel panics even when the system hadn't been logged in.)

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    Kernel panics

    http://www.macmaps.com/kernelpanics.html seems to still apply for Norton 8.0 if what happened above is accurate.

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    Losers

    No offense, but who is stupid enough to use NUM anymore??? Every new version (major, minor, or even mainteance) has caused corruptions, errors, problems, issues, etc. Its the kind of program that will fail with 10.3 (why, because they can't program worth sh** and seem to be very OS version dependent), if not with 10.2.7. You're better off with software from a company that actually gives a damn.

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    No problems here

    I have had no problems thus far... sorry to hear about ya'lls experiences. This is odd, because v.7 caused all sorts of problems for me on two different machines, and I beta-tested v.8 and all was fine on each machine. Seems like old issues were fixed, new ones were created.

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    No problems here

    I ran NUM 8 booting from the NUM CD on my PB G4 550 with 512 RAM and a 20 Gig HD. Ran Disk Doctor and optimized thre partitions without any problem. It was fast.

    Also did the same thing on my dual 867 mirrored tower with a 36 gig factory SCSI 10,000 rpm Seagate with three partitions. All three partitions repaired by Disk Doctor and Speed Disk with zero problems.

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    dependable?

    Symantec has at times seemed irresponsible and shotty with NUM. Back in ... let's see ... 96, maybe ... (?) I was the victim of their seeming ineptitude when Speed Disk failed on my machine in the middle of the process, trashing my hard drive. I was able to save it, eventually, as I recall.
    Lately a firewire drive failed on me at a company and I used Drive 10 and Disk Warrior to no avail. ONLY NUM for X (version 7 something?) was able to save the drive.
    I know this sounds strange, but if you really want to DIY, 1) invest in as many utilities as you can (they're not that expensive, really), do not use a brand new version right out of the gate; wait a while until the user reviews are in, and wait for updates 2) learn UNIX - learn fsck (file system check).
    As for whoever wrote "IF ...", you need to lighten up, dude. Go have a beer and watch a PIXAR film or something. Jeez.

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    re: last post

    ha ha!

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    worked fine for me

    I ran NDD a couple of times to fix any problems, then defragged with no errors, problems whatsoever

    iBook 500Mhz, 384Mb RAM, OS10.2.6, 20Gb HD

    Paul

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    Symantec & Mac

    What I've heard is (and I make no claims to accuracy), the Mac team was recently or is going to be, downsized from 9 down to 4-5 people... that 4-5 is dev and qa inclusive. I don't think they'd ever kill off Mac antivirus, and maybe not the personal firewall, because that company is focusing on security management now, but consumer utilities like NUM, I really wouldn't hold my breath. They'll keep making the non-security retail stuff as long as it makes money, but considering the quality of some of their recent releases, who knows how long that will be...

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    Journaling

    Does NUM 8.0 support journaling ? I cannot see a peep about that on their site.

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