OMG Nuff Said

I bet that he will be steaming come fri morning when he hears about this snafu! Can you imagine his reaction on the news about it being leaked out from his own companies site? It WAS a landmark leap going from 32 bit to 64 bit, and finally having something competitive once again, and everyone knowing whats in store next week. PRICELESS.

Monday Monday
so good to me
Monday morning, it was all I hoped it could beeee!

..and then he created the G5 and banished Intel to crawl on the ground with Bill like the serpents that they are...

BITTER WINDOWS PERSON !!!!! Macs will leave pc's in the dust , panther and know this !!! We will "rip the hide" off longhorn , and intel !!!!!!!!!!!!!

the stock should go up, i guess, these sound like nice rigs

certainly won't banish AMD64... You can bet Intel will be doing something quick, they always have, thats why they are the largest cpu company in the WORLD.

Those rock!

consider my order placed!

now about those displays...

It was a hack unfortunately, which brings other kinds of news!

guys, if you read around the forums, you'll be able to see that the styling does not match the apple styling, so it's a hack I think... Isn't MacHack going on right now? That would sure make a good story :-)

1GHz processor bus...hmmmm... I know, technically possible, but that's a h*** of a leap from the current 167Mhz, no?

so, nice try, but I'll wait until monday ;-P

how do you know

why would they just change the spec information and not the rest of the titling? I think someone just goofed and is now without job.

I mean, if apple was to leak info, AT LEAST, the whole page would match, and/or AT LEAST the type, indentation, dashes/bullets, font size, color would match. ok, the color matches, but the way the color is distributed in the headline is wrong... so it's a hack, a good hack, but I ain't buying it!

anybody get a screen grab?

it does sound a little excessive, 1ghz? hmm, maybe it is a hack :(

WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY BEYOND MY WILDEST IMAGINATION.

These machines are incredible.

Apple - my order is placed. Dual 2 Gig G5

but WHAT ABOUT THAT 1Ghz BUS!!!!


Intel is slow, outdated, aging, CISC, c***.

check macrumors.com

Intel isn't going to do anything !!!! please you've got to be kidding ... wait until they unleash Panther,,, Microsoft will have a kittens !!!!!!

It's not outside the realm of possibility. Remember most respectable rumor sites (i.e., MacRumors) have been saying that the bus speed would be 800-900 MHz so what's another 100-200 MHz? The specs are only slightly higher that what's been speculated so I could believe it. Ultimately, we'll see on Monday. Too many bits of info. point to a release on Monday.

Oh the wait was worth it... it was...

this is so, so perfect.

GO STEVE!

F*ck Gates!

the bag !!! AGAIN !!!

the bag !!! AGAIN !!!

Cruised over to E-Trade after I saw the leak. Thought i would buy a few shares. The stock closed at $19.14 today. The current asking price is around $26!

This is pure fan service.

I really doubt someone's going to hack Apple's site. Jobs said, "get the rumors sites churning to make sure that everyone attends my Stevenote."

TO TAKE !!!!! MSFT, INTEL , WATCH OUT !!!!!! THE CATS HAVE BEEN UNLEASHED ,,, MEEEEEEOWWWW

maybe it's good time to sell, since it seem to have been a hack

"Jobs said, "get the rumors sites churning to make sure that everyone attends my Stevenote."

Uh, yeah, Apple purposely posted incorrect product specs on a commercial site. Sure.

The PowerPC 970 runs with a 2:1 bus ratio.. A 1.6 ghz processor will have an 800 mhz bus, and a 2 ghz processor will have a 1 ghz bus.

Steve - ya did it. Apple is restored to the grandeur.. well, it never really lost. Motorola should be the second person you sue for the lack of product innovation for the past few years.. (The first being the person who leaked the specs)

Dell has nothing on Apple... some old 32 bit CISC Pentium running a single processor "Dude your getting really dull" on a slow 32bit bus and some old 16 bit OS.

Apple is back. Steve - my office is buying 27 machines... and I will bet money they will be Macs.

Great job.

OSX needs more apps. Full Stop.
G5 of not, who cares if you are left behind with apps.

is on the fur balls they got from the cats, jaquar, smeagol and panther hair they inhaled form having there mouths dropping open !!!!!!!!

The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.

The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.
The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.

and one more..

The FASTEST Personal Computer is a Mac.

Been a long time since I said that!

Oh happy day. Oh good, happy day. Oh wonderful, 64 bit day.

AAPL ---- STRONG BUY.

What apps are you looking for ?

How could this happen????????????? Stuned.

Yea... 64 bit sunshine.

Remember "Bunnies?" when the G3 launched?
Howabout the "Snail"?

Accidents can happen, it's only hit and run, I don't believe it, and I'm not the only one.

Steve, don't feel bad - Its not a TOTAL loss - the case is still a mystery.

And actually - I am more excited now with this leak.

What is it with Apple - the last few nights have been like Christmas eve, every night.

And tonight - I got to "shake the box"...

It will never withstand the traffic come Monday, just like the last keynote.

1*GHz* processor bus?

Say again...

You *DO* realize that someone will be unemployed by tomorrow morning.

...yes, a screen shot is on MacMinute. Very convincing.

My PowerBook 5300 is beginning to look slow...

It REALLY looks like a hack. The typeface is wrong and none of the other products have bullets next to the specifications. Could still be the correct specs, but this isn't Apple's flub -- other than they obviously need to beef up security.

If it's true, I'll be buying shortly. Man, and just tonight I was thinking that my "beige" (rev.A) G3 machine is really showing its age when running the apps I run... I really hope this leak is of real product!

KEYboaRD NOt WOrK - soDa I Get HIGH NoW

mne2 has screenshots as well :

http://www.openc.org/B1060014028/C993518901/E597829578/index.html

Heads are going to roll at apple

the wrath of his steveness shall not be contained

I JUST SQUIRTED MYSELF!@!!!

Panther will definitely feel *snappier* :)

Hot Damn!

Someone just lost their job, poor person, they really blew it.

DP only on the high end. How long a wait? Too little too late. Sorry, but even a SP 1.6GHz 970 is going to be slower than a P4 3GHz and like cost far more. Even if OSX suddenly became 3X faster, it would feel sluggish. For example, with opening windows, OSX is about 10% of the speed of OS9, and OS9 was slower than windows operating systems. Let's say with these machines OSX "feels" 5X faster, it will still feel slower than Wintel machines.

Still, good news overall, but would be far better if it was DP across the line, maybe starting at $1299. That's what Apple has to do to compete. I won't buy a new mac until I can get a DP for cheap, like I did when I got my DP 867.

Stock.. its asking price is up to $25.96 a share.. from $19 (overnight trading)

what trouble a .gif can make..

Where are these stock quotes?

Troll. Go away.

HOW DO YOU KNOW a 1.6 Ghz 970 IS SLOWER THAN A 3 Ghz PENTIUM?

You haven't even seen this machine, and you're bashing it already. WHAT GROUNDS DO YOU HAVE. NOTHING WOULD HAVE MADE YOU HAPPY OTHER THAN a 4 Ghz machine SP chip, Huh? You're the reason why I'm sickened with PC users and Intel. Intel is very good at marketing to fools like you.

Personally I think this chip has a very very good chance at standing up to the 3 ghz Intel. Its sitting on just as fast a system bus (800 mhz for the 1.6 970 as well as the P4) and has a significantly more robust architecture than the G4 that preceded it... plus with the faster bus, Altivec will see more of its potential unlocked... the problem with the G4 before was NOT that the clock speed was too slow... but that the processor was starved during altivec-instensive runs because of the slow system bus... with the 133 and 167 mhz buses in the rear view mirror, Altivec is just going to become greater and greater.

You trolls give Windows, and Intel way too much credit... You disappoint me.

Fast machines and new OS. No more bitching please!

http://www.applelust.com/oped/amc/archives/amc030613.shtml

I can't say for sure if the info is reliable but it does sound valid.

but that's not going to dramatically turn around Apple's decline.

Go ahead, call me troll. That''s how any good Macnn user would react.

That's it, I've had it, I'm buying an Intel now! these are too slow! Steve, you've lost me as a customer!!!





Someone had to post this ;)

For once, Apple has beaten someone in clock speed...

AMD's Opteron runs between 1.4 and 1.8 ghz.

:-).

Of course, the opteron has its own benefits... but it also is a server chip, and will never run in the same environments that the 970 will.

You guys are a bunch of LIARS! Apple's stock price in after-hours trading is up 9 cents, to $19.23. All you have to do is go to nasdaq.com and look it up.

but that's not going to dramatically turn around Apple's decline.

Apple isn't in decline. It's products are better than ever.

If you want to see decline look at what's happening with Microsoft's QA.

What they're noting is the stock's Asking Price, as listed on eTrade. The market is closed right now, for the most part.

tonight...

He's probably in a fit of rage drowning kittens in his bathtub.

to those of you who think it must be a hack because of the "-" bullet points, look at the similar list for Xpress 6 - it also has those dashed bullets.

just part of a slightly revamped look. i say its not a hoax, just a s**** up. and i also say those dual 2.0 Ghz G5's will not be available for at least 8 weeks.

Great! I wonder who made the mistake of putting it on the site? :)

--
http://www.iki.fi/janit/

It doesn’t say 970 anywhere, so it could be a new Motorola processor…

it's a hack -- the clue is here:
"Optical and analog in and out"

optical what? I fell for it until I pondered the quick 'n dirty style and this optical I/O

Toslink

They will never call it a G5!....

to all the fucktards:
sorry, but its legit.

finally though, we get more audio options. and some massive buss speed thanks to HyperTrans. everyone in disbelief about that should steer over to ARS and check it out. 1ghz isnt anywhere close to theoretical max. this si right in line with new i/o standards so meh

I wonder which poor b****** is going to lose his/her job for that stuff up! :))

G5 makes more sense than 970. for consumers THAT is the net logical step. i cant see them ever departing from this nomenclature at the risk of confusing buyers. G4 is better than G3, G5 is better than G4. simple. no one is left behind.

what is wrong with you people? you are the same asshats that decried the two leaked tower pics for quicksilver and MDD. get a grip it came from apple's own damned akami servers.

to all the conspirators...

there isnt a motive for the hack. i dont believe there was one, nor was there some conspiracy to 'leak' on apple's part. gawd, maybe I can direct you towards a movie with Mel Gibson called conspiracy theory.

put on your tin foil hats!

Apparently Apple has requested the removal of the G5 specification from both macbidouille.com and macrumors.com. Is this the proof we need?

"Optical and analog in and out"

Does this mean we finally have an 5.1 output just like my DVD player (optical)? Very s***!

i think this is more for tos link kinds of things, i wouldnt be surprised to see some cool mixers support this.

apple is attacking people with the specs now BTW, so i guess what i said earlier is right, this is real. and it is spectacular jerry.

[ edict ewok ] APPLE put on line by errors or awkwardness the specifications of new Mac. They gentillement asked us to withdraw them what I hastened to do. It is not worth while to beg us by mall to have them, we will not even answer these messages.

yup, they are real. sorry you asshat 'hacked' conspiracy theorists, you suck i guess. look over there! is that a black helicopter?

OMG YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



this is f***** great. i love it.

- this will shut up all the Win/Intel trolls and their stupid c*** running out of their pie holes. we rule the pc world in speed, sexiness, ease-of-use, etc. that puts back dell where they belong: cheap, but that's it. ROTFLMAO.

- this will also f*** those good that left the mac to get a cheap dell because they wanted a few mhz more. ha, now they are paying more because they need to come back to the mac again. ha. if saving 2 secs rendering time was a reaon to leave i suppose saved minutes (with the 970) will be enough to come back. you deserve the additional cost and hassle for jumping ship asswhipes.

ha, f*** intel. f*** dell. f*** ms. f*** longhorn.

we have the fastest pc on the world, the coolest os on the world and the most sexiest boxes there have ever been.

everybody who doesn't get a mac now is just plain dumb. ha! sucker.

preach it brother, preach it

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Isn't it a gif on the apple website. Do apple even use pngs? ;)

Have a look at thinksecret.com, they got a mirror of the entire Apple page. http://www.thinksecret.com/cgi-bin/pic.cgi?i=/archives/g5fullpage.gif&p=powermacg5

it was a gif. what is this ping insanity.

Get a grip. This is not a swearing contest.

Can someone moderate this juvenile - it cheapens the entire thread. Go back to school and learn some nettiquite.

yes, f*** is the only word i know.

therefore: f*** you.

i happened to catch the store in time. it seems that the accident image was the same dimmension as the G4 one. big oops and and a double dumb-a** on someone

;)

nettiquette is for babies.

this is a real forum for real people.

if you cant stand the heat, leave.

nettiquette is for babies.

this is a real forum for real people.

if you cant stand the heat, leave.

Hallo Monday morning and hallo G5. But what about a G5 Powerbook?

nettiquette is for babies.

this is a real forum for real people.

if you cant stand the heat, leave.

i would cheapen the entire thread by sodomizing it and forcing the poor beastie to swallow gobs of....
anyway, i would violate this b**** on all fronts. how is this for cheapening the thread for you.

hi mom!

last i looked i was real. you just need to grow up, that's all.

Yep. The world is changing.

Every serious peron will have to get a Mac and Panther.

What will those with XP, Dell and no money do now? Just commit collective suicide or what?

Suggestions?

i mean, im all turned on by this G5 stuff. stick your disck in my hot slot load drive big boy.

hehe.

any bets on how long it takes for someone to decry this puppy on venerable slashdot?

You mean the heading in the window --- step1bullet1powermac.png

this will be a shot across the bow of intel.

MS is probably nervous as well. im betting the speed debate will be over in a few months and real world proc performance disputes will be fueling the fire. hopefully we can jump in on some Halo 2 goodness with this monster and a 9800 pro.

this will do wonders for our gaming rep, now if only we could get the games.

Show your specs at WWDC:

http://www.cafepress.com/g5specs !

the one i downloaded says step1bulleet1powermac.gif.

so someone converted a pic, is that cause for speculation?

a cheap-a** cafe press, fall apart after a wash tshirt? oh boy where do i sign up!!

I believe Apple did this deliberately, just to shift rumour focus back to the Powermac. And also to give some confirmation for us obsessives! Fantastic specs though, I'll have to clear my dredit cards now ...

Man, im sick and tired of trolls! Go die! Apple is innovating and is giving us what we want! Go die damn it!

suckers...

American Mac Nerds seem rather excitable. It's just a frigging computer and Apple is a company not a religion.

The specs look great. How much for them compared to the current line up?

Steve

SO, it seems I will not eat for at least two months but who cares, when I can buy the coolest computer in the WORLD!!!!

I am going to order mine on Monday, and you can take THAT to the BANK! Or perhaps I should, never mind I will, I must, I am nuts, I have to have it!!!

See what a little thing can do to Apple nuts?? And we have not even seen any photos of it yet!!!!!!!!!

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35700
http://www.thinksecret.com/cgi-bin/pic.cgi?i=/archives/g5fullpage.gif&p=powermacg5

These are supposedly the same images.

The text on the think secret one is wrong, and the spacing is different between the top text and the 'specs'. Apart from the wrong font.

Guys if you are going to fake something do it properly

I don't think the exitement is limited to American Mac users. Take me for instance: I'm European and I still creamed my pants over the news.

"I just went to the Apple Store website and it's still up! This is just incredible! This will blow the doors off anything Intel has! I could go on but my jaw is on the floor right now."

Welllll... no.. not really. Here's a Shuttle SB61G2's specs - keep in mind that this is a 'cube' PC, slightly larger than Apple's original Cube:

- capable of taking upto a 3.2GHz P4C processor but with an 800MHz FSB should be able to go up significantly more.

- 2GB of DDR400 memory (the G5 goes to 8GB but doesn't specify what speed)

- 2 SATA 150MB/s channels and two IDE channels (ATA-100 only)

- 8 USB 2 ports (four on back, two on front, two internal)

- 2 Firewire 400 ports (one 6 pin on back, 1 four pin on front). G5 gets the point with the extra Firewire 800.

- 1 AGP 4x/8x slot, but also has integrated 865G graphics which can run simultaneously (for dual video out)

- 1 PCI slot - only 100MHz bus. Point to G5, although we don't know yet which editions will have the 'upto' 1GHz bus.

- internal Bluetooth option available, internal 802.11g is available.

- includes SPDIF digital optical audio in and out and analog in, line and out, but also include a separate 5.1 channel analog audio out.

- also includes a serial port and an optional parallel port.

- has 100Base-T integrated. The G5 will probably have Gigabit, so probable point to the G5.

Since the Shuttle is a chassis/motherboard barebones system, you have to add your own memory, CPU and peripherals, so it can take whatever speed you want - and which ever optical drive you want.

The base Shuttle is around US$375 and is very well constructed and uses a heat pipe to cool the CPU. I have one with a 2.4GHz Celeron-P4 and an ATi 7500 AIW in it and it runs very cool and very, very quiet.

The new G5 sounds like a very nice system - but does it blow the socks of Intel PCs? Perhaps for the next few months - but by year end, most PCs will look like the Shuttle or better.

More importantly, perhaps it's a better idea to stop trying to be 'better' than Intel and enjoy whichever system you have just for itself.

Cheers.

Uh... either you're suggesting a conspiracy, or... just possibly... someone was preparing the new webpage content for Monday and was editing and checking it without realising it was 'live'.

That would easily explain why the layout changed slightly between captures.

I guess we'll know for sure Monday. :)

Cheers.

It was not faked! I saw it on Apple's website when it was live.

Have you never seen all the fakes which little kiddies knock up in their spare time at home?

It could be real the only things i have in question are:

1.) Layout differences in the pages. It was supposed to just be an image which was different. If someone was deving it it wouldn't just be a layout change. The G5 pages would probably have been built ages ago and would be complete. Or you suggesting that apple would start it now. Also the files are distributed not just on one apple server. Any dev would would happen elsewhere not dev'ed live on a distributed server.

2.) Font differences and colours.

3.) Spec strangeness - 8gig of ram and a 1ghz bus? I just find these highly unlikley - how much is the ram going to be? DDR Ram is linked to the Bus Speed - you have a 333MHz bus and ddr pc2700 (333mhz) ram. So has apple invented a new standard in DDR ram? Intel's Rambus is running a 800Mhz and that's a new type of ram completely. If they have 1Ghz ram, then it's not going to be DDR. RIMM memory comes in at PC1066. So surely it would be this not DDR.

4.) 3 PCI Slots - so apple are taking 1 away from us. The G4's have 4.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but it's to dodgy for my liking.

...is on XP. Big deal. So he was using an XP machine when he took it.

Serial ATA is the only real surprise....

But what video card?

And how can you have PCi OR PCI-X?

Who's got 64 bits, huh? Huh? Who's your Mac daddy?!

Let's see Windoze users trying to manipulate 4 GB Photoshop files as their 3 GHz P4s maxed out at a mere 2 GB of RAM sit on their asses as Photoshop is hitting the scratch disk.

Suddenly, 3 GHz seems pretty lame.

pci-x is over 1 gigabyte sec!

Not one non-xeon Pentium 4 in the world has pci-x yet, even in 2003 tight now.

Not one dual AMD MP board in the world has pci-x yet, and might not for a long time.

Apple can now use Astera Tech fibre cards (133 Mhz 64 bit) at theor full speed?!?! WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

Imagine the possibilities of using optical Fibre bidirectionally 400 MB/sec in and out at the same time!

Or all the other cool pci-x cards that only will work on xeon servers and now on macs.

Go Steve!

Finally pci-X !!!!!!

then it's been worth the wait. I'm sure the dual-2ghz machines will be the most indemand, and they probably won't ship for up to 8 weeks...

Still, I'm placing my order the minute they are available....

Now, I wonder what the case will look like...

macs are back! after 3 years of being slow and rubbish...
thank f**k!

I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!

WooHoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can I just highlight a small error in somebodies arguement. They were saying that the image on Apple's site was a hoax because it finished with the line "Optical and analog in and out".

However, if you actually look at the image that appeared on Apple's site, it said "Optical and analog audio in and out", which does make sense.

Makes you think.... Try reading it properly next time, and maybe MacNN should correct their mistake.

I see some heads rolling at Apple. Yippee for the new Macs!

There are more, real changes at the Apple Store. Anyone notice the new "Continue", "Buy with One-Click", "Save for later" buttons? They are different than yesterday. Completely solid, instead of 3D look. Apple *was* changing graphics. They just changed one too many.

They will still be overpriced. So... who cares?!?!

That was Apple just b**** slapping the Windows universe!

This is great and will be even better if prices don't go back up!

This is a VERY good thing....


I just hope Apple doesn't blow it by pricing them through the roof.

This is a VERY good thing(TM).

I just hope that Apple doesn't blow it by pricing it through the roof.

I'm guessing this is a hoax. Maybe Apple's site was hacked.

If not--well, I'll be absolutely delighted to eat my words.

I'm so happy, I posted the same comment twice....

Ok as far as PCI-X is, seems like a strange move, after all, PCI-Express is coming to us by the year-end or early 2004 tops, so why implement a server only expansion bus right before the new desktop expansion bus arrives, would only make for more expensive upgrades wouldnt it?

Now about the ram issue, no the 32bit intel platform is not limitated at 2GB. In theory it's 4GB but on most server boards they can push that limit further as soon as 2 cpus are present, some 32bit server boards even go as fare a 12GB of ram. But don't take my word for it, go visit tyan's website to check for yourselves.

Finally, the it can't be DDR at 1GHz FSB theory. I see no real reason why it couldnt. Yes ram works BETTER when its synchronous, but it is in no way obligatory. DDR333(166*2) worked fine on 533MHZ FSB P4s(133*4). The P4 FSB is quad pumped, meaning it's like two times DDR which is working at twice it's actual clock speed. If you want the technical mumbo jumbo, the one about DDR can be found on corsair's website and the one about the P4 well, just guess on who's website ;) So for all we know, maybe the 970 will have some P4-like architechture where the FSB works faster than it actually is truly clocked at, or maybe they will implement some form of DDR-2(highly doubt it).

It sure would be nice to see mac fans know what they're talking about instead of just pretending to know. This is why we get a crazy rep from the PC world guys. Think more talk less.

But congrats to Apple for the SATA implementation. About time Apple stopped waiting around for new technologies. Think how long it took for DDR to get to macs.

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Yes, if this is not a hack/fake whatever, I'd like to point out (not having read all 140 odd comments) that a 1GHz FSB is not unimaginable, especially when you consider that it's marketing-speak. A 1GHz FSB would really be a quad-pumped 250MHz FSB, which of course is not stratospheric (though still higher than Intel's latest and best, a quad-pumped 200MHz FSB which equals "800 MHz" in marketing-speak).

These machines are so sweet I'd almost consider not buying a PowerBook just to get the desktop instead.

Why not leak this info briefly on purpose? Sure, we Mac-heads have been all worked up for the past few weeks (months, in some cases) waiting to see what happens at WWDC.

Now Steve has the whole world tuned into Monday.

If these specs are true, and I really can buy an OS X based fastest personal computer on the planet, I will cry Monday afternoon.

OH My god.... don't kill the kittens Billy Boy... think of the kittens... please NO... don't do it... you will remove that last .00000001% of decency left in you and be damned to the absolute worst part of h***,.... so don't kill the kittens... rotflmao

MacMoose

Yes this is serious stuff if true!

Plus 64bit OS to come, you gotta love this companies engineers!

i can upgrade my DP500 and truely see some horsepower! can't wait to see the $$$

BEING THAT THERE ARE 3 PCI SLOTS, I'M WONDERING IF THESE NEW SYSTEMS ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT BIG BULKY CASE DESIGN THAT APPLE BEEN USING SINCE THE LOMBARD G3's. 2 FIREWIRE 800 PORTS SHOULD BE INCLUDED. STILL SEEMS TO BE AN IMPRESSIVE SYSTEM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SMALLER CASING!

BEING THAT THERE ARE 3 PCI SLOTS, I'M WONDERING IF THESE NEW SYSTEMS ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT BIG BULKY CASE DESIGN THAT APPLE BEEN USING SINCE THE LOMBARD G3's. 2 FIREWIRE 800 PORTS SHOULD BE INCLUDED. STILL SEEMS TO BE AN IMPRESSIVE SYSTEM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SMALLER CASING!

Don't be a dolt, this was purposely leaked. Good job Apple! I'm satiated.
I'm sure a lot of consumers are going to save up some cash to buy one of these new PowerMacs, which more than likely cost more than the current G4 line. I don't think we will see any price drops until the next speed bump.

So they finally have a respectable product lineup. Now how about a case that you can actually stick some upgrades into. Ever notice that Mac users don't seem to do too much case modding and the like?

My 10 cents...

so whats a PCI-X expansion Slot ?

>>>> So they finally have a respectable product lineup. Now how about a case that you can actually stick some upgrades into. Ever notice that Mac users don't seem to do too much case modding and the like?

Who in their right mind would need to upgrade one of these machines? These things (if true) are mind-blowing and have 3 slots for special functionalities.

Why should they use a png-graphic, while all others are gifs?
Why should the use a new layout for the text?
Why should the write down the numbers as text (compared to other specs)?

Why should they use a png-graphic, while all others are gifs?
Why should the use a new layout for the text?
Why should the write down the numbers as text (compared to other specs)?

is there anyway to get all the posts/replies to show on one screen?

bothering to skip by "10s"

...Steve leaked these specs to us to get every one interested:

"2.0 Ghz? OMG!!!!!!!"

And then he comes out on Monday:

"Ladies and gentlemen, The 3.0 Ghz PowerMac!"

Apple better have a med. team handy for all the strokes that are gonna happen. :-D

I can't wait till Monday...

Man, this is the best news to start my weekend.

What would the industry be like without Steve Jobs?

Go Apple!

I agree, this was a clever ploy. Leaking this little web page with make everyone in the computer press, pay attention to the WWDC keynote. They know that the world doesn't care about how wonderful Panther will be. But, the world's fastest computer (by a longshot) is huge news! Great Job, Jobs!

serves everyone else right! and it would be a plus if the real specs are even higher -- welp we'll find out next week!

It's not the 'heat', it's just that this abnoxious behaviour that really does detract from an otherwise interesting forum. Hey, f***! impressed? Didn't think so. Let's focus on this fantastic news instead of puffing up our chests and trying to be hardcore -- whatever.

Every macnn thread is practically identical, and I suspect that it's just few boys with too much testosterone and not enough girls.

OK moron, the screenshot of the page was a png, the image that appeared on the site was a gif.

IT WAS A HOAX people.......

Companies face serious consequences for pulling hoaxes, especially if it affects the marketplace. Apple wouldn't place stupid games which might bring about an SEC inquiry.

With a mess up like that looks as if some web master is loosing thier job!
-trajik78

It's a hack. All they had to do was replace one gif image to accomplish this.
I had real problems with the terminology:
"optical and analog audio in and out"

Wouldn't Apple have said "digital and analog..."

For those who have actually been following this rumor for more than one day =p

Processor Bus:
1.6Ghz => 800Mhz (DDR400) FSB
1.8Ghz => 900Mhz (DDR450) FSB
2.0Ghz => 1Ghz (DDR500) FSB

RAM:
1.6Ghz *might* take DDR333, but likely the entire line will take DDR400. No point in having a mega beefy FSB and cheesy RAM to fill the pipeline.

PCI-X:
Or perhaps, why not something else (PCI Express was mentioned). PCI Express will suffer the same issues that PCI-X does right now - the fact that there is very little implementation. Simply put, there isn't much out there that can yet use the bandwidth that either standard allows. PCI-X also appears to be compatable with PCI cards (hence the 3 PCI or PCI-X slots). Finally, PCI Express doesn't appear to be available for another 6 months at least.

No, they would say Optical & Analog if that is what is on there. Professionals will want to know what is on the box before they buy it. If it says 'Digital', then that implies some random port for digital audio, if it says 'Optical' then it means Toslink and implies a digital audio connection.

It wasn't a hoax or a mistake. If you've followed how Apple has worked in the past, it'd be pretty obvious that this was intended to happen SO that all of us would be doing this EXACT thing...talking about it!!! What else could Apple have done to draw more anticipation?? Nothing. The only surprise here is that the processor is only at 2Ghz; Apple's just now getting to USB 2, just now getting 8x AGP; just now getting PCI-X. I hope they start catching up to the market a little faster than they have been!!!

yes... it was.....

h*** Yeah!

It wasn't a hoax or a mistake. If you've followed how Apple has worked in the past, it'd be pretty obvious that this was intended to happen SO that all of us would be doing this EXACT thing...talking about it!!! What else could Apple have done to draw more anticipation?? Nothing. The only surprise here is that the processor is only at 2Ghz; Apple's just now getting to USB 2, just now getting 8x AGP; just now getting PCI-X. I hope they start catching up to the market a little faster than they have been!!!

Then why would the specs have also showed up on the Apple Tech Database (for a time)?

Same guy that worked for Akamai had access to the Tech database as well maybe ? The guy that's looking for a new job now?

Really, it's a hoax...

If apple intended this, it had better exactly what they are going to do, or they will face ridiculous legal consequences.

It's conceivable that it was a hack (not hoax), but it's not trivial to hack a web objects site served by apache in mac os x. (not like it was windows IIS serving it). Possible, perhaps, but tough. Can't think of the last time that has happened.

As the stuff did appear on apple's site, i don't think "Hoax" would be the appropriate way to describe it.

Well if it's not a hoax, I'm glad I waited to buy a new Mac..

weekend before it was announced at macworld time canada "accidentally" posted the cover story with pics of the fp imac. similar?

http://www.cafeshops.com/g5specs

Forget Microsoft. Apple is going after Sun and SGI.

http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade2000/

That's Sun's flagship workstation today. It's a 64bit arch at just over 1GHz.

Then Apple releases dual 2GHz 64bit CPU's?

Suddenly that $14,000 Sun workstation doesn't sound so f****** affordable, does it?

dim rumor as boolean

if rumor.TRUE then
g5.Machines + osx.Panther = windows.Killer
else
me.wait
end if

... especially if i could afford it ! :) i can't wait for these to come out, i think i'm going to save all my money, get one of those and get rid of my Beige G3 266! ;) Oh yeeaah!

Apple will soon rule.

All sentinals will be running OSX.

Cocoa is so awesome! I go Coo-coo for Cocoa code.

*****************************************************

Good bye Microsoft, Sun and SGI...

No system on the planet will be able to match these up-coming Mac OSX (Panther ready) G5 machines.

These will indeed spank the pants off of any Windows or Solaris machine.

Wow, Apple is kicking some serious butt.

Intel will be taking the wraps off their new 3.2GHz chips on tuesday (or is it monday).

The big question is whether these things will fall flat out of the starting gate because Panther (and the code optimizations to make the chip really work) aren't ready, and won't be for several more months. They're going to get ripped if these deals come out with just a moderate speed boost (like it was a 1.6GHz G4) running under Jaguar. Who's crazy enough to trust apple and they're "Once Panther comes out, it'll really fly!" spiel. I believed that about the PowerPC and native apps, and they didn't 'fly' when they became native (esp. since most of the OS was still emulated).

P - ure
C - rap

--
I bet Bill Gates wishes his MS Windows OS was even remotely close to being as cool as Mac OSX.

OSX + G5 = My Dream Machine

Intel Is Toast...

http://www.elroyonline.net/misc/apple/apple.html

Intel is hurting... They can't afford to pay their employees.

www.fuckmicrosoft.com
www.fuckmicrosoft.com
www.fuckmicrosoft.com
www.fuckmicrosoft.com
www.fuckmicrosoft.com
www.fuckmicrosoft.com
www.fuckmicrosoft.com
www.fuckmicrosoft.com
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www.fuckmicrosoft.com

http://www.elroyonline.net/misc/apple/apple.html


Hilarious!

1.6 GHz G5: $1299
1.8 GHz G5: $1599
Dual 2 GHz G5: $1999

Right ON!! Now, all they need to do is incorporate this new technology into a tablet PC with a touch screen. Then, I'll be exstatic!

The FP iMac was not posted the weekend before, it was posted Midnight before the Keynote. And since when is this how Apple has worked in the past? Apple does not do this, they are often incredibly secretive.

It doesn't matter if it's 10.2.7 or 10.3, the 970s will be MUCH faster than the G4s we have today. The only optimizations that are needed to run on a 970 are if you want to run with more than 4Gig of RAM. It's that simple - there is no 64-bit optimization that needs to be done. The speed increase that it gives happens for 32-bit applications as well as 64-bit applications. In fact, I highly doubt that you will be able to run 64-bit applications on 10.3. So please, don't propogate 64-bit optimization FUD. As far as the PowerPC architecture is concerned, 64-bit only means more memory!

I'll believe it when I get one in the production studio. I'm tired of hype. I want the speed of the new 3.5ghz pentium. with the finesse of Mac OSX. Either p*** or get of the pot Apple

intel is already up to 3.7GHZ

Unfrozen Caveman Mac User Clueless about State of Current PC Market

SOME MAC FORUM SOMEWHERE-- Scientists have unfrozen a Mac user who was trapped in a block of glacial ice for four years. The Mac user, found clutching an N'Sync CD in one hand and a copy of Fast Company in the other, was questioned for hours by the scientists on what life was like right before the turn of the millennium.

"It was great!" said the Mac user. "The night before I ran off the road into that ice bank and was trapped there, I had just been with my Windoze-using aunt to pick up a new top-of-the-line gaming PC with about $2,500 in loose change that had fallen out of her pants during the wash. I was like, why spend $2,500 on a PC when you could get a comparable Mac for like $500 more. Heck, I found $500 stuck down in my couch the other day after that IPO party I hosted. Computers where so cheap, then, and I bet they still are!"

The scientists still haven't finished questioning him, so they've taken great care not to expose him to any new information about current events. They have, however, allowed him to freely browse the towers section of the Apple Store, which has changed little in price or configuration since his epoch. As a result, he's under the impression that a top-of-the-line PC still costs about $2,500. Of course, the scientists admit that even if they were to unblock the Dell website, he'd almost certainly never do any real comparsion shopping. "There is a small minority of the Mac user base that does comparison shopping with the PC, but they tend to stick exclusively to the high-end dual-Xeon server section of the Dell website," said one of the scientists.

The Unfrozen Caveman Mac User is also counting on cashing in his Rambus and Enron stock in order to finance a slight upgrade to one of the "newer" towers. "166MHz frontside bus on this baby!" he exclaimed. "All I can say is, wow! We've finally caught up with the PC. Wait until my PC weenie aunt sees this!"















 

Finally! A Whole NEW Generation of Macintosh computers to hate and turn into trash cans. THANK GOD!

HELLLLL YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! =D

for the same price you could by a pc twice as fast with all the same hardware

no you can't

does it tun the best OS in the world? hint ; not XP

Anyone who buys and wears those t-shirts they're selling at CafePress will be asking for a beating. In my life I don't think I've seen anything nerdier than a t-shirt with computer specs on them. In fact, the whole froth that this is generating seems fairly odd to me. How is it that any of our lives will be any better because Apple speed-bumped their computers? I mean, I guess it's cool if they stay somewhat competitive and thus our investment in them is not a total waste. But unless you're a stockholder what about this is THAT exciting? I mean are the current speeds really choking productivity that much? I dunno. Sorry for being a killjoy. I just don't get the idea of taking this whole thing personally - as if Apple surpassing PCs for a week and a half makes any our lives any richer. Ok... I've put in my two cents. You may all abuse me now (just spell correctly when you do, ok?)

Why would Apple announce what is probably their biggest product to data at the WWDC?

It's happening, but I doubt anytime soon....

Great, the Mac finally gets hardware technology that's already been on the PC for some time now.

Just being on a PC doesnt mean it was "The Standard"

Wouldn't it be funny if this was a anti-Apple hack done by some insider? Make the masses think they're getting a hot machine, and on Monday, Jobs has to introduce a more mediocre spec'ed machine.

And will -always- be the best.

Yep..about as funny was those Windozes people waiting for Longhorn in 2005..and Getting a Windows 95 Logo Startup

.....Macs win.....

.....PC's loose.....


GAME OVER

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Well, it seems to me that if someone was to make this hoax happen, they would have had to be an insider to Apple. It would also seem unlikely that one person had access to all that was displayed. This would mean a 'conspiracy'. This seems more far fetched than a glitch in their system or a procedure. I think there is more 'proof' that it is NOT a hoax. The people saying it is a hoax have not provided any real reason as to why, other than pure paranoia and just repeating themselves.

I'm not saying that I believe what was shown last night, as there was no announcement and for all we know, the image could have been old and not 'current'. I guess we'll find out on Monday.

As others have mentioned, the 970 will provide a substantial increase in performance regardless if the OS is 64 bit or not. The 970 works just fine with 32 bit code. The specs mentioned that the units could take up to 8Gs of RAM. To the best of my knowledge, a 64 bit CPU (or OS) is not required to do this. I'm sure with a mildly modified version of 10.2 they could run it on the 970. The big question then remains, is the HW that was mentioned ready for prime-time or not?

And, yea... Apple would use the WWDC to announce this HW as they sure ain't going to do it at the lame event in NY this year. So, what would be a better place to get developers all pumped up then to announce new HW and the next version of the OS in one place? They need to market to the developers to show that there is a future in Apple.

I hardly consider this move a 'catch-up' maneuver. These specs are right inline, and exceed the current specs for PCs. A Dual 2.0GHz 970 will waste any P4. Period. Combine that with a 500MHz double-pumped bus, the Serial ATA, USB 2.0, and the FW 800... name me a PC that has those specs.

"...Great, the Mac finally gets hardware technology that's already been on the PC for some time now."

Eh em... The PC market has NEVER had Apple Macintosh quality hardware interoperating with the system at this level. This will be much more favorable coming from Apple. OSX and this hardware will not be able to be matched - NO WAY.

"...A Dual 2.0GHz 970 will waste any P4. Period. Combine that with a 500MHz double-pumped bus, the Serial ATA, USB 2.0, and the FW 800... name me a PC that has those specs."


Bye bye PC's...

WOW!!!!! I can't wait to see what they look like! The floor under me is covered in drool! Oh wait... I'm a percussionist.... ;)

Slaughtered silly.

Poly wanna a rhythm?

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[URL=http://homepage.mac.com/craigcolthorp/theFword/index.htm]The F word[/URL]

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Word is out that it was a hoax.

And btw, this P4 is running serialATA, 600MHz FSB, USB2, and firewire. It's last year's model.

I'll BELIEVE it...

... when I SEE it!

Let's HOPE!!!!!!!!!

http://homepage.mac.com/craigcolthorp/theFword/index.htm


hilarious!!

And btw, this P4 is running serialATA, 600MHz FSB, USB2, and firewire. It's last year's model.

Running one crappy OS.

wise up a******, Macs waste PC's.

I am a bit afraid that everyone is really excited about this, and then it will turn out to be something much less. Maybe one of those "well, that's it for today" type shows. The specs of the newly rumored machines are incredible, but once again, none of this is official yet. Someone might have just played a bit with numbers and ideas. Why don't we all just wait until Monday and see.
I am hoping though for a "just one more things" type show.

"for the same price you could by a pc twice as fast with all the same hardware"

Balls mate, I currently priced a Xeon based Dell to mact the dual 1.42 and it was more expensive than the G4, and didn't even beat it with a slam dunk.
so get off the dumb a** thoughts.

I don't give a f*** what box or how fast your little pentium processor performs - Macs whip the s*** out of any current PC.

Windows/Solaris whatever.... OSX just blows those away, there is no comparison.

That’s soooo cool!!!!!

Hat off to you my friend.

"for the same price you could by a pc twice as fast with all the same hardware"

There is NO OSX though. And the hardware is not intregrated as Apple's is. There is a HUGE difference.

Apples are better than any PC available today.

I don't know where you people get your claims. It has been a proven fact that PCs outperform Macs on all levels, even Apple's claims that progs like Photoshop run better on Macs. Its all fake. They claim the highest G4 outperforms the highest P4. Once agen, not true. Plus, faster PCs can be had for more/less than $1000. But not to disregard appple. Apple does make some fine hardware, but to say that PCs are inferior when 90% of world's computers are PCs, that's a lil off. Hopefully this new release does boost Mac morale, cuz OS X rocks.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm

Macs are better.

Macs are better.

Macs are better.

Macs are better.

Macs are better.

Macs are better.

...integrated? Integrated is not always good. Apple controls most of the upgrades an apple user gets, which allows it to name its price.

Everyone sez macs are better? Why? Cuz they're faster? Uh, goto the link in the above post. Cuz they're easier? Are mac users that dumbfounded by a two button mouse? Macs do not own PCs. If you want decorative item, go with a Mac. If you're like the rest of computer users who can't waste an extra $1000 on a slow piece of hardware, get a PC. Your choice rite?

:rolleyes: I think you need to check your stats. Go do some reading up on the 970. Its an insanely fast CPU and blows the G4s out. Show me some stats that /prove/ that the P4s *blow* a Dual G4 out on calculation intensive apps. One link is not enough. Do you wonder why all the genome projects use G4s? The G5 will be that much better. Then, not only does the G5 just kick a**, but bringing the rest of the HW up to some really nice specs will add tremndous performace increas to the Mac line. Even those enhancements would make the G4 sing really well.

macs are better!
macs are better!
macs are better!
macs are better!
macs are better!
why?
because apple told me!
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get real, show some proof.

Macs are just different for "different" people.

Macs are just different for "different" people.

Macs are just different for "different" people.

> get real, show some proof

Well, you can start by showing us some proof otherwise. I've seen plenty of links showing both sides kick the c*** out of the other side. So, you believe what you want, and I'll know what I do.

Macs are just different for "different" people.



















































 

Even the P4 that is yet unavailable...

http://www.applelust.com/oped/amc/archives/amc030613.shtml

It's TWICE as fast.

http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=38445
http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm
http://www.techtv.com/callforhelp/features/jump/0,24331,3339933,00.html

Look macs are great. But I don't think Apple should make claims like that they outperform even the highest P4 cuz Mhz dont matter. If it didnt, then they wouldnt need to release 970. I AM happy to see Mac users get a much needed upgrade. But hey, watever. Yes I've read the specs on the cpu and the chip. And i've seen some impressive PRELIMINARY benchmarks. But, the High end pc will always be cheaper than the high end mac.

> But, the High end pc will always be cheaper than the high end mac.

And it will also always be just a cheap ugly PC that doesn't run OS X.

Look, with the 970 and Panther the time has never been better to get a Mac. The only people who shouldn't are either dirt-poor or stupid. You may be the latter if you wish, but don't be a fool to be proud of it.

>But, the High end pc will always be cheaper than the high end mac.

Not entirely True. For Instance.... HP Pavillion t150 w DVD Writer, 2.6Ghz P4, 512 MB, 80Gb HDD, £870. Now add on a LCD Panel (To make it fair, we wont add on a 4:3 17" panel which costs £300, we will use a Samsung 152W which is a 17" Wide format digital panel, similar to the iMac) - £549. This brings us to 1419 for a comparable machine to the iMac. The iMac has less memory, (Apple are always stingy on the RAM) but £50 will give us another 512mb, giving the iMac 768mb. That makes the iMac ~£100 more at £1499, with more memory, slightly better quality LCD. Not too Bad. When you factor in that people LIKE the imac's look, and size and will buy it on those merits alone, the iMac ain't so expensive. I see people in these forums saying how cheap you can build these PC's for, and I bet they are real good. I also build PC's for a living and will admit that good performance on a PC is not necessarily expensive, but these cheap PC's do not have DVD writers, which consumers want (or they have older ones like Pioneer A03's) or Widescreens, which consumers want, or the looks, which the consumer wants...... get the picture. The average consumer wants an iMac for it's looks, its reliability and integrated Multimedia capabilities, and a copy of office to be compatible with their mates!!

>you gotta love this companies engineers!

I'm one of those engineers, could you come over here and love me?

Nerds!

...and now waiting for the store to spread those doors wide open !