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NPR responds to "No QuickTime" decision

updated 03:55 pm EDT, Tue April 22, 2003

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A MacNN reader forwarded a note from NPR about its decision to drop QuickTime streaming from its Internet services: "For several years, has been offering some of our audio in QuickTime, but recently the arrangement between Apple and NPR expired. During the last several months, Apple and NPR have tried to work out the terms to renew that arrangement, but were unable to come to an agreement. It doesn't reflect on Apple's technology -- business and legal issues alone have led to this outcome."

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What shall....

What shall Robert Segal say about this? And what of Linda Worthheimer? They'll be devastated!

Oh, this means G5 iPods in 2004.

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Expected

Looks like yet another victory for Real and Windows Media Player streaming, all chalked up to Apple's legal department.

Good job, bozos.

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Congratulations

Congratulations,

I, Steve Jobs, am a f****** moron.

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Apple "Let's s**** Everyone Over" Computer, Inc.

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Blah

Who cares about NPR - just a bunch of anti-American neo-commies anyways getting fat off Gov't subsidies (try competing in the real marketplace, you know where Conservative talk radio RULES your stupid [deleted]).

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04/22, 04:32pm | report spam | close Reply |
wtf

why do they even need to work out an agreement with apple? Why don't they just use Quicktime? Are they looking for a handout from apple to use their technology? Millions of sites use quicktime every day without an Agreement with Apple. The server is free, the encoder is $30.

THis is just stupid. Can someone please make me look stupid and tell me why they cna't just USE quicktime?

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Not Apple's Fault

You do realize what happened at NPR, right? They were offered a huge deal by Real and Apple wasn't able to afford to compete. Apple offered some support for continuation of QT, but, when presented with money from Real to use their format, NPR had little choice.

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it's not a big deal

talk on other lists suggest Apple was probably subsidizing NPR's bandwidth, and decided that it wasn't a winning investment.. it's not clear that Apple loses anything from this

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Yeah

Windows Media and Real have been taking over, not because of superior technology, but because of brute money. Apple has trouble competing with that...

To the people who talked about Apple s******* up: This isn't like some weird licensing deal where NPR refused to sign a contract. This is Apple saying "we don't have millions of dollars to give you to help get you using our format".

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Who cares?

Its freakin' NPR for goodness sakes. You know, the "we're on NPR and its your privilege to listen to us talk" people.

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I don't care

Real Media works on Macs, too. I catch a lot of NPR this way.

I mean, does this actually hurt Apple in any way? Didn't think so.

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Uhm, that would be

Chief iScrew-Up Officer

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iTunes

There are several public stations that stream MP3 (KCRW & WEMU for example) - look for them in your iTunes Radio section.

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NPR

Does this mean they won't be featuring Apple products in their fund raising anymore? Contributing to win a new Apple product was always a draw. Contributing to win Real Player, I don't think so! Somebody ought to check NPR's feet I think there are a few toes missing on this decision.

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Re: Fundraising

It's not NPR giving away Apples. NPR doesn't fundraise. It's the local affiliates who pay for NPR's programming that do the fundraising. In the previous case, I'll bet you're thinking of KCRW which gives away a lot of Apple stuff during fund drives. They have a generous Apple dealer as a sponsor who donates the equipment and takes a write-off. NPRs decision to not use QuickTime will not affect that.

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Dead Apple

Cool! Just one more nail in the coffin of those losers at Apple. If the morons at NPR, Americas Liberal Media Network, will not use technology by Americas only Liberal computer maker, then it spells the death of a company not worthy of existance.

Die Apple Die!!!

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only liberal computer?

Ah, never mind - that one is too clearly labelled "troll" to bother.

And yeah - KCRW is a great station to stream on iTunes (although I have noticed that since NPR lost quicktime, KCRW has gotten really crowded. Still, I changed my membership to them, since now I listen more to KCRW than my local NPR!

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When I see WMP

winout over Quicktime, I see future consequences.

That's the thing with this world ... marketing and money mean everything ... at some point Apple will have to ask itself, does it make sense putting a lot of time/money into Quicktime? OR Invest in Real?

I know they're somewhat different technologies but...

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NPR Platform n****

It might not mean much, but I supply only Quicktime and Mac-only extras on my web site and products to spite the people who support companies like NPR.

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Real = Trouble

Liberal = Balanced

I installed RealOne the other day on my 12". It screwed up so much stuff I had to reinstall the OS. I mean come on it killed my Airport and caused system prefs to crash when opened. Apple should buy real and fix their crummy applications. Shoot even PC people I know hate Real products!

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NPR

It is too bad that NPR doesn't stream in Quicktime, but as noted previously, Apple doesn't have the bankroll to cover this?at least they are putting their money into R&D. As for the reader above who was portraying NPR as a bunch of commies getting fat off the government while conservatives compete in the real market place?PLEASE, get your facts straight. The government pays only a very small portion of the NPR bill. In fact, the largest contributor to NPR is the local listener/member who donates. Somehow, I doubt most of those conservative talk radio listeners are sending money to their local AM station to pay for Rush Limbaugh, etc. No those listeners are letting businesses subsidize their listening via advertising (nothing wrong with this, but the listeners aren't necessarily paying the bills unless they buy the products) while many NPR listeners personally contribute to bring the high quality news programs to their local airwaves.

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of course it hurts Apple

Anyone that doesn't want to use QuickTime, either because they don't feel the need or don't like Apple's terms is a backeye to adoption by other companies.

But as Mac users it's no skin off our noses as long as they have another version we can use.

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My name is Steve Jobs

My name is Steve Jobs, and my arrogance has ruined everything that could have become of Apple Computer. Enjoy using RealPlayer and Windows Media Player, because I'm the most arrogant person in the entire computer industry!

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What's going to happen?

It is possible that NPR's streaming services will suddenly lack something and not work very well. To tell you the truth, I was never able to get the QT stream option to work from NPR. It worked fine from other sources, just never once from NPR. If it isn't going to work properly, it makes sense to get them to stop pretending to make it available.

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Huh, what legal issues?

QuickTime Streaming is a cheaper solution than any of the other major streaming service available. This is just a case of Apple not being able to pay NPR enough for the 'right.' So, basicaly NPR's saying they don't want to pay for a free product that runs on the NT/2000/XP, FreeBSD, Solaris, Linux, OS X, etc. Lame.

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Real Ones is working

I have no problems using RealOne Player, if it saves Apple some cash, fine.

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veepers creepers

And with AlGore on the board, you'd think NPR would pay Apple to use quicktime. What's the world coming to I wonder...

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server costs

With any of the streaming solutions the cost of bandwidth is usually the greatest cost. Microsoft and Real are famous for cutting interesting deals with the right stations. More than a few stations get this taken care of (probably an ad writeoff from Real or MS)...

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple decided it couldn't/wouldn't pay for a pipe and Real would.

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So what?

Windows Media and Real have been taking over, not because of superior technology, but because of brute money.

After Microsoft and Real run out of money purchasing customers the superior technology will win.

I don't see why Apple needs to both develop QT and pay others to use it. It doesn't make any sense.

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After MS runs out of $?

>After Microsoft and Real run out of money purchasing customers the superior technology will win.

This is a morbidly funny statement to me.

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Gotta be the bandwidth

Cuz ain't QT streaming free under Darwin Sreaming Server or Server X?

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They both look silly...

NPR looks clueless, by not offering the industry standard QuickTime. And, Apple looks like a losser, by not fighting tooth and nail to promote and further the QuickTime cause.

No one wins or loses. They're just both standing there.

All things considered, Apple really does need to promote QuickTime better.

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Apple Knows

Apple didn't amass a $6 Billion warchest by sqaundering money on paltry "opportunities" like NPR web broadcasts. Let Apple continue to fund R&D and fuel the open-source movement. Let Real spend on convincing broadcasters to use its closed-source, dead-end technology. Apple is poised to dominate multimedia. Real Media is poised to become a footnote in computer history.

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real?

Who thinks real is going to be around longer than Apple?

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Real?? Get real

I think that anyone who uses Real software is out of their freaking mind. Did you read the license agreement?

I did. I downloaded the RealOne Player a couple of months ago (probably so that I could consume some media from NPR). After reading through all the legal c***, I decided there was no way in h*** that I would be having anything to do with them. I terminated the installation, deleted the installer, and warned my friends to stay away from them.

This is what their agreement says: We're going to track who you are and what you do with our software. We're going to ignore your preference settings and send you advertising at our convenience, not yours. We're going to install software upgrades whenever we want, possibly without your knowledge or consent. We're going to allow third-party DRM providers to install their software too, under our name and without your specific knowledge or consent, to do anything to your computer that they determine to be necessary, and we're not responsible for any of it. And all of this is going to take place even if the software isn't running, because we're installing it all as system services.

Besides intruding rudely on my personal space, I imagine that having an already-slow dialup Internet connection domineered by their unannounced background communication processes would be more than a little bit irritating.

If NPR won't support QuickTime, then I have no reason to use their website. Too bad, they might have to lose me as a paying member, too.

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Wait a second

I don't think Apple is to blame here. And I think that Real will disappear when their contract is up. For anyone who doesn't know, NPR gets tons of money from M$ and the William and Melinda Gates Foundation. So, basically, I think M$ told them to dump Apple and to dump Real (eventually) or the money goes bye-bye. Not that I listen to NPR anymore since all they do is brown-nose Shrub.

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What if...

It really is tiring to watch everyone bash Apple on this one. There is just too much "Apple's to blame" conspiracy theory c*** going on here. Maybe, just maybe, what NPR said is really true... they just couldn't come to terms. It happens all the time.

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My reply to NPRs decision

This is an unacceptable answer. I give you money, not Apple. You deliver your programs to me, I give you donations. If you do not deliver your programs to me, I do not donate.

Apple's streaming software if free, and it runs on the free Operating System Linux, you pay nothing to use it. You pay for the Internet bandwidth no matter the what streaming file formate it is delivered in (Real, Media, or QuickTime). If you choose to not deliver it in a file formate I can use, I choose not to donate money to you.

Good Luck

Former NPR Supporter

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ho cares about NPR - just a bunch of anti-American neo-commies anyways getting fat off Gov't subsidies (try competing in the real marketplace, you know where Conservative talk radio RULES your stupid [deleted]).

Some of us who listen to it care , yah inbred country hick

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Quicktime and NPR

Can anyone tell me what good Quicktime is in accessing media over the web.
It seems Real or MSMedia Player can get a lot of things that Quicktime can not.
Whatever the reason Quicktime is a loser technology.

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QuickTime is good

What's good about QuickTime?

-It's an open standard with a future, unlike proprietary formats like Real and WM
(this is why things like telephones, TV, the Internet work for everyone)
-It does a whole lot more than stream
-It does a lot more than just audio/video
-It's free to stream as much as you want
-It's free to play, so long as the content is free

The thing to do is to let your beef become known to NPR. We're the consumers. Tell them we want QuickTime. I do.

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QT/NPR

Another 'image is reality' case for my collection... The fewer institutions that use QT, the real perception that it must suck.

The fewer schools that use Macintosh computers...the more they are seen as sagacious decisins by the School Boards.

"Good enough" rules...

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QT

People, this may only be a temporary situation. Ever think about that? As in all deals some things may not work out now, but rather later. We may yet see QT on NPR again.

So people, chill out. As for the guy that used the term "neo-commie": how old are you? You sound like some "neo-con" from Archie Bunker's days. Empty headed and no nothing.

Unlike Rush, and that other crook J. Gordon Liddy, NPR at least shows all sides of the political spectrum and they don't shout at each other. A real debate is about facts and presentations, not yelling and calling each other names.

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