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Apple releases Safari Beta 2 browser update

updated 08:40 am EDT, Mon April 14, 2003

Apple today released , an updated beta version of its innovative web browser that delivers requested features including tabbed browsing and AutoFill forms. "Safari is now the browser of choice for millions of Mac users with more than two million downloads since its free public beta release on January 7, 2003.. The new AutoFill feature makes web form completion incredibly easy by using information from the Address Book or previous forms to automatically fill in name, street address, city, zip code, email and other information.

The updated beta also provides the option of automatically filling in user names and passwords, which are securely stored in the Mac OS X Keychain. [It also] introduces the 'Reset Safari' option that erases browsing history, empties the cache, clears the Downloads window, removes cookies, clears Google search entries and removes any saved names and passwords or other AutoFill text. Additional Safari Beta 2 features and enhancements include: easy import of Netscape and Mozilla bookmarks, increased support for AppleScript, enhanced standards compatibility for improved web browsing and expanded language support for Japanese, French and German.

Safari is powered by the "industry's best" rendering engine based on KHTML, from KDE's Konqueror open source project, and Apple continues to contribute to and work closely with the open source community. The final version of Safari will be made available later in 2003.

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First post!

Please favicons!

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Favicons

have always worked for me

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This is v73

The v71 was leaked only a few days ago.
Cheers.

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nice

Safari's only getting better.

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crashes

ive downloaded the image a few times now and safari crashes upon launch now for me... anyone else having this prob?

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it feels

SNAPPPPPY!!!

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uninstall old one?

i'm wondering if i need to clear out old prefs, etc.? I can't seem to find those yet. i really wanna try this out and for now i am completely safari-less :(

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hotmail and banking???

Safari now won't send anything in Hotmail, and still won't function with Citibank online properly. Seems like a long adjournment from the last version just to ad tabs and not fix already-existing java-script bugs!

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i don't

use that spam machine called hotmail (who in their right mind would) but it works with chase online for me...

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trying to help

If you have problems with Beta 2: the preferences file can be found here: /~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Safari.plist. Other stuff is here: /~/Library/Safari/.

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killed prefs file

and killed the safari folder that holds the lock directory (with its own plist file)... tried to install again - i get an unexpectedky quit every time...

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back button

sure wish they'd put a back option in the control-click. seems odd to me that these rarely used options (view source and save page as) are all that's listed in control-click. not useful. otherwise i like it.

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Problems with CE symbols

Central European specific symbols do not show in 'bold' on some machines. v67 and older betas don't have this bug.

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prefs file

i no longer have a com.apple.Safari.plist at all... can someone send me theirs please? ericd@ericd.net

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before I download ...

.. does it have tabs?

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odd how development goes

i love the new version with tabs and auto-fill but things still work or do not work. good example- Novell webmail sites. There is a column of 5 icons on the left side to access your mailbox, new mail, address book, calendar, document and proxy. In v60 these icons display correctly (on top left). v67 was incorrect. v71 was correct and now v73 is incorrect again.

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Display problems

When opening a new window like www.macnn.com, most of the time I see none of the news stories and when I open a link in a tab, the fonts are displayed HUGE.

I cannot use this version of Safari.

Anybody else got this problem?

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Re: back button and prefs

sure wish they'd put a back option in the control-click. seems odd to me that these rarely used options (view source and save page as) are all that's listed in control-click. not useful. otherwise i like it.

Well, remember that one's person useful is another person's useless. Just because you use a back option in the pop-ups doesn't mean anyone else does, and that view source or save page as are rarely used. I think the only time I've used the back option in a pop-up was when I was stuck in some stupid sub-window with no toolbar. (And saving pages is something I do a lot, although I prefer iCab's way of making a web archive, so you get the whole page, not just the HTML).

As for the prefs, they're just prefs. When you install Safari, you have no plist, it gets created on first run. So there should be no problem deleting them all. One thing you might want to delete for safari is its caches (not the web cache, the program cache, under Library/Caches or something like that).

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David Hyatt rocks

Hyatt's the greatest thing to ever happen to Apple. He should be worshipped by all.

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ticker ...

tabbing is nice, but some great sites are still not working well (iht.com, news.bbc.co.uk - ticker...)

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Re: odd how...

i love the new version with tabs and auto-fill but things still work or do not work. good example- Novell webmail sites. ...In v60 these icons display correctly (on top left). v67 was incorrect. v71 was correct and now v73 is incorrect again.

Well, also remember how things can break because they're trying to fix the display of other sites. The unintended side-effects of each fix sometimes may not be known until the bugs are reported. Usually in programming this isn't too hard to determine if you're good, but HTML rendering is a different thing. The web sites out there are such a mish-mash of good and bad HTML, valid and invalid HTML, and worse of all, HTML written to the extensions of IE or Netscape or the like. This is why building a standard's compliant browser is such a pain in the a**. Very few use the standards. And because of that, you also can't say "We're only going to support the HTML and CSS standards", because then very few sites will work and everyone jumps up and down and complains.

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perfect

perfect and snappalicious!

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Tip: Group Tab Browsing

How does it work in Safari?

Simple.

Put all the bookmarks you need to open in a single tab in one subfolder. Wa la!

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back button

so you have your view source, etc. that's your useful, my useless. why can't i have a back button? you defeat your own argument. one man's ceiling is another man's floor.

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browser

Snap! Snap! Snap!

So snappy, so snappy!

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huh?

all i get is goatse.cx

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works for me

i'm using it now and it seems really snappy...
As for the "some sites don't work" arguement... true. But the same can be said for camino, netscape, mozilla, IE... all have their problems. unfortunate but true.

I like the "Open in Tabs" option to open a whole group at once. Just like in Camino...

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If it crashes at launch

If you are having trouble with Safari crashing at launch, try this. (This worked for me in v60 and v67).

Move you com.apple.security plist out of your ~/library/preferences folder and on to your desktop. Try and launch Safari. If it does launch it emans you have a corrupt key in the plist somewhere.

I would duplicate the security file (the one on your dekstop) and move it back into your library folder. Then open up keychan access and delete each enrtry in your keychain one at a time and try to open safari after each delete. When Safari does finnally open up take note of which entry was corrupt or causing the problem. Replace the security file once again with the one you juts back up on your dektop and delete the bad entry. This way you only lose one entry instead of your entire keychain.

Hope this helps someone. It worked for me and was casued by an entry to an Ftp site which used port 22 and then had another entry to the same ip but with port 21.

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holy cow

you people with these strange font problems- its your setup trust me, trash the .plist in your /lib/prefs and try launching again.

as for safari- snappity snap snap baby. i dunno about that goatse post ;P but this is werkin my bank website fantastic and loads are even faster than before.

WELL DONE APPLE!

NOW GIMMIE NIGHTLY BUILDS AND A BUGTRACKER

thanks

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for all the tabbed brohah

i'm glad they turn them off by default since its a but ugly mole on the beautiful face of safari...

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no safari

i moved the security plist out of there... no go on the launch. i'm pretty bummed.

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Crash on launch?

If you're crashing on launch, try trashing Pith Helmet if you've got it installed. I had an old version of it that worked with .60 and .62, but not .71 or .73.

I yanked that, and now it works great. And so does my online banking, at long last.

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Baby with bathwater

Somewhere between v60 and v73/beta 2 someone managed to break WebCore's handling of multiple floated divs- which worked fine in all the versions up to v60, and the breaking of which has messed up the display of one of my sites- and of small fonts. John Gruber correctly analysed this on Daring Fireball, and part of the solution appears to be in place- small fonts aren't antialiased if that's the system setting- but it doesn't seem to be using the nice form of Geneva.

AutoFill looked annoying for the ten minutes I was using v73 before I reverted to v60, and everything I've seen of tabs generally, let alone their butt-ugly implementation in Safari, leads me to think of them as nothing but an abomination.

Here's hoping that Apple manage to get Safari back on track before a final release, rather than adding more UI geegaws until it's in Mozilla territory.

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Back to IE

It still doesn't handle the majority of webpages very well.
It still can't beat IE and seems non-standard to me.

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de metallized

anyone have a link to a demetallized version?

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Sucks!

I've been using Safari since it was first available and have been happy with it. However, this new beta does not work for me at all. I have downloaded and installed it about five times using several different methods, including software update. I even tried moving all old Safari files to the trash. No matter what I do, it crashes. When I reinstall the previous version, it still runs fine.

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PITH be dammed

pith helmet was the culprit - thank you thank you thank you!

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Good.... Thread people!

I have to say . . . this is a much more intelligent thread I've read on Macnn. Thanks for making my morning great.

Happy to be a Mac fan.

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re:ticker

The BBC ticker works. You have to have the latest Java install.

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Problems unstuffing?

I can't get this to unstuff with Expander 7.0 or 7.0.3. Anyone else having this problem / know what to do about it?

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Repeated crashing

I downloaded the new Safari and it worked fine. Then, I tried the Safari Toolkit Agua Interface (I never had on the old versions). Total crashes as described by others happened. I tried trashing all of the Library files, but no luck. I deleted Safari and redownloaded it, but then it was crashing Stuffit. I had downloaded it onto another machine, so I copied it to my Applications folder and it works.

Hope this helps someone!

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BBC ticker

The BBC Java ticker may just about work, but the fact remains that in IE it is rendered using DHTML rather than Java, so you don't have to wait for the Java VM to load.

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Safari is great

I installed it on my computer via remote login. I downloaded it from apple launched the .dmg, removed the old version (just the app), installed it and tried my alias. .73 launced ran and seems to work as well if not better than .60 or .71.

To the person trying to use expander: don't, the safari download I got from the apple site was a strait .dmg which disk copy "opens" and "mounts." Don't try opening it in Stuffit at all. If you didn't download it from apple's site, do so.

~Wyvernspirit

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RE: Safari is great

I downloaded it straight from Apple and it came as an hqx that wouldn't self-extract (the second time I downloaded it after the crash). It now wants to open in stuffit but can't.

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Oh yeah, well s**** Hyatt

David Hyatt is not a celebrity. He is just an Apple employee. Someday, you'll realize that.

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Stuffit problem

...having the same problem as others. Via the download link at Apple, the file downloads as a .hqx and will not expand using Stuffit 7.0.3

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regarding stuffit

To the people who are having problems with the .hqx file from apple. I changed the extension from .hqx to .dmg, and it installed. Hope it works.

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Re:stuffit problem

Change the extension from hqx to dmg.

Double click it....it should mount.

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Works GREAT

Snappity snap snap
I works better than IE 5.2 on some sites. Especially the Bellsouth login page which is messed up on IE but perfect on safari. I have had no problems at all. No crashes, not font issues. no weirdness. They even fixed a problem i was having with my companies intranet, a problem with frames and header redirects. I'm very impressed. I also love the address book, auto fill intergration. Apple's strategy is working. Tabbed browsing is perfect. WAY TO GO APPLE!

For the record. I have a PB G4 400 Mac OS X 10.2.5 384 MB of ram.

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Re: back button

Yeas, but my point was that, when it comes to UI, its very hard to determine what are and are not heavily used features worthy of the pop-up menu, vs. the just somewhat used features that more or less clutter up the menu. A great example of what not to do would be iCab, which has like 15 menus with sub-menus to handle pretty much any task. But since its all shoved together, finding the more used ones is always a chore. The only sure-fire way to make it work for all is to make the menu (and the toolbar) fully customizable, so you can stick in your back option, while I can stick in a "create PDF" option.

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demetalized

Just save yourself the hassle, download Unsanity's free Application Enhancer "Dematilize" or whatever the h*** it is, which de-metals any (or all, if you want) apps that you want. h***, it'll even metalize apps if you want it to.

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RE: Back to IE

Someone posted: "It still doesn't handle the majority of webpages very well. It still can't beat IE and seems non-standard to me."

This is a pile of c***. Safari handles THE MAJORITY of webpages beautifully. It gets hung up on a VERY SMALL minority. WAY faster than IE, has pop-up blocking (IE doesn't), now has auto-fill and tabs. What does IE have Safari doesn't? Besides being slower and buggier. Remember Safari is still in BETA and beats the pants off IE in speed AND stability. Anyone arguing IE is better than Safari is a Microsoft employee.

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DL via SU cli

If you want to get Safari via sudo softwareupdate, you have to escape the spaces and parentheses in the filename, like

'sudo softwareupdate SafariUpdate-1.0 Beta 2 (v73)'

softwareupdate in Terminal is WAY better than the pref pane.

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Problems?

What, you say? You're having problems with Safari not rendering pages correctly, or not working right in some situations? Well, here's something to remember. Its a BETA! Its not a finished product, so its not going work right all the time (h***, if past history is an example, even when it is 'finished', it won't be finished).

And you don't like that there's a menu missing, or a page doesn't display correctly, or anything else. Well, here's an idea: Submit a bug report to apple via the reporting mechanism (or through the MacOS X Feedback page, if you don't like the one in safari). They're not going to 'fix' something they don't know is 'broken'.

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Re: DL via SU

softwareupdate in Terminal is WAY better than the pref pane.

Why, besides the fact you get to type really long file names with escape characters and other fun stuff like that?

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RE: Back to IE

You must be viewing some wierd porno pages.

Most sane web sites work great and performance wise there's no comparison. Safari si SO much faster at everything.

But I guess, if porno is your deal the slower the images dangle around the screen the better...

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beta yeah baby

but it needs work - faster but still not as fast as IE on my PC
still don't do java properly - still have to use a PC for my 'real work' - so Jag is still a toy for me... :-(

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Still rendering wrong...

Div tags with overflow set to "scroll" or "Auto" still render wrong.

Opening a new window with JS with no scroll bars displays scroll bars any way.

Yes, I reported these to Apple.

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vtext.com still funky

verizon's vtext.com entry fields still act funky. reported these to apple in the last version too...

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Download problem fixed

Apple has fixed the .hqx / .dmg filename problem now -- thanks everybody for the tip.

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snappy

snaps so good.

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Safari reset

Is a nice feature; however, it erases passwords. That should be optional/selectable by the user. It sucks when you have to re-enter all of your forum and my.yahoo.com passwords.

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Never

had so many crashes as in this release. Thanks Apple.

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Safari still sucks

Still has css2 errors up the yang...

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tabs

opening a link in new tab doesn't actually take you to the tab, you stay in the same page then have to click on the tab. hmm.....

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Re: safari reset

Is a nice feature; however, it erases passwords. That should be optional/selectable by the user. It sucks when you have to re-enter all of your forum and my.yahoo.com passwords.

Well, since most forums/yahoo store your password in cookies, its kind of hard to delete cookies and not delete passwords.

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back button

"Yeas, but my point was that, when it comes to UI, its very hard to determine what are and are not heavily used features worthy of the pop-up menu, vs. the just somewhat used features that more or less clutter up the menu."
i couldn't agree more and since the back and forward buttons are part of the address bar this indicates to me that these are heavily used whereas the view sources and save as are menu items among many others. so again i question, why these two items? why not the make text smaller/bigger? if they were so widely used why not put them in the menu bar? EVERYBODY goes back and most will go forward and i would prefer to be able to right click back instead of address bar back. to each his own.

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Re: tabs

opening a link in new tab doesn't actually take you to the tab, you stay in the same page then have to click on the tab. hmm.....

Cool! Its the one feature of Mozilla tabs I really like. I like to finish the page I'm working on and then go read all the hyperlinked garbage, not just open a page in a tab (h***, if that's what you want, just click the link, and then hit the back button when you're done).

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javascript still doesn't

They have not fixed the javacript "download link to open app" issue. So that means that sites that use a js to launch RealPlayer, like NPR, for example, dont work. You cant even manual open the link because Safari cant undertand what to do with it. Camino works fine. Does anyone at Apple actually read bug reports?

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it's faster than my brai

i need a latte.

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This is a BETA

All you whiners need to pop a few xanex and chill. This is BETA software! It is supposed to have bugs, that's the whole idea. You use it, find the bugs, and report them to Apple. Apple uses this info to polish Safari into a rock-solid final version.

Why is this so difficult for some whiners to figure out? If you don't want a browser that crashes, then use something else. That's why I have five different browsers currently installed: Safari for kicks, Camino for full time use, Omniweb 4.5 SP for kicks, Mozilla for compatibility, and Explorer so I can know evil when I see it.

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RE: Tabs

"opening a link in new tab doesn't actually take you to the tab, you stay in the same page then have to click on the tab. hmm....."

Don't complain about stuff if you don't know how it works. In the Tabs Preference Pane just click "Select new tabs as they are created" - now, command click a link and it brings the new tab to the front, shift-command-click leaves it in the background. Or, leave that unselected, and Shift-Command-Click to bring the new tab to the front, Command-Click to leave it in background. Read the options in the Tab preference pane for all the key combos.

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RE: Tabs

OMG

This is soooo great.

All kinds of nice possibilities and all can be set by the user himself.

Thanks so much Apple.

I can't believe that people out there still claim Apple wants to tell users how eveything should be done...

Dave, thanks so much for this beta2. If I were a girl or g**, I'd kiss you. :D

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speed

it seems to me that it doesn't loading pages as fast, like Camino and Mozilla 1.4a

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Good

Autofilling and tabs are nice.

Wachovia online now functions properly. Banks all have different security technology most likely, so that's why Citibank isn't fixed yet.

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Re: TABS!

Man! This tabs stuff is really cool. And this 'auto-fill' feature that means I don't have to type everything over and over again. Wow! Just shows you that Apple is the only group out there bringing innovation to computers, and you sad sacks running PCs are just SOL! Add this to the great recent track record of iTunes, iPhoto, iCal, and the iPod. The kind of innovation were seeing from Apple over the past year or two is just amazing compared to all the 'followers' out there. And then hearing the rumors that Apple might be shipping something with an internal name of 'PDA' that's supposed to store contact info, notes, runs little programs, almost a little computer/organizer in your pocket. Damn, just where do they get the ideas for these things? It just seems so simple, so obvious. You'd think someone would have done it before.

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Re: speed

I have Camino 0.7, Chimera 0.6, OmniWeb, iCab (most recent releases). For the pages I visit, Safari is the fastest and I mean by a noticeably amount. I feel that the pages are here faster, I don't have to time it to see.

This is great! :)

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Only remaining problem...

...for me is that if I double-click a folder that's in the bookmark bar it won't open its contents in several tabs like I think would be intuitive (and most efficient). Instead I have to get the folder's popup menu and select "Open in Tabs". This is slower and more teadious.

I have sent this as a feature request via Safari bug tracker and via apple.com/macosx/feedback. I hope they can get it in for the next release. It surely isn't hard to do.

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Re: Only remaining proble

OK, work-around solution is to cmd-click the folder in the bookmark bar...

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bugz

Well, they fixed the bug I reported about POST not working correctly in the Flash Player. Thanks Apple!

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interesting news

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8928

NOW THAT MICROSOFT has got away with murder, at least figuratively speaking, it seems happy to act even worse than it did before the antitrust trial. The list of flagrant abuses seems to be growing by the hour. Every day in the last week THE INQUIRER has received a new example of the Vole using its monopoly to cut out competitors. The latest victim is Palm.
Pop on over to the previously well liked MapBlast route planner and you're in for a bit of a shock. You'll now find yourself on an MSN page. MapBlast was bought by the Vole and assimilated. The system has been tarted up a bit to make it fit with Microsoft's look but, other than that, it still appears to be the same engine underneath. With a couple of exceptions.

What a surprise, MapBlast now only works properly with Internet Explorer. The dazzling omission is the 'Save to PDA' button. Load up IE and the button is there but it's now called 'Save to Pocket PC.' That's right, no more saving it out to your Palm, Microsoft has cut out a chunk of code that was working just fine. But that code was working fine for a competitor's product so wave goodbye to it.

To make matters even more embarrassingly obvious that this is a simple monopoly abuse, the thing that it's not letting you save is an HTML page with a picture of the start and end of your journey.

Once again Microsoft has made a fool of the US legal system, this time with the collusion of that self-same legal system. There can be no doubt that the now ironically named Department of Justice should hang its head in shame. This is the sort of behaviour the antitrust case was supposed to prevent. �

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tabs

A feature I would like for tabs:

When you click on an internal site link, it stays in the tab, if I click on an external link, it creates a new tab. It doesn't seem to be doing this for me, unless I am missing something (as I very well could be). I don't want to have to ?-click external links to open new tabs. Make sense?

Cheers (

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tabs more

since it cut out the rest of my message and replaced it with a "("

the ? is the command key.

the rest of my post read:

p.s. before the "IT'S ONLY A BETA" people come down my throat, all of us realize that it is a beta, people post there problems here in hopes that someone else may have had the same problem and figured out a solution. People who want new features simply state them to see how other people view their ideas. Please do not go typing in all caps and use multiple exclaimation points at people because you don't think that they know that it's a beta. We know, please don't be mad at us. Read our posts, be outraged or whatever, and move on.

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tabs also

another thing I just thought of:

when other programs launch websites (such as when Watson, or e-mail wants to access web pages) a new tab should be created, not a new window

Cheers

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unexpectedly quit

Safari unexpectedly quit, if I check the remember user name and Password.
Try Reseat Safari, and deleting com.apple.Safari.plist still the same problem.

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Lost down Scroll Arrow

I still lose the down scrool arrow function when I visit some sites such as BBC.com. This was a known problem and I am disappointed that it wasn't fixed.

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Re: interesting news

First, it wasn't interesting. Second, there's like 5 different mapping places out there (and MapBlast wasn't that great to begin with), so who cares (it'd be a big deal if they were the only ones). Gawd, some people think that any move MS makes is some huge fist down your throat.

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tabs

ugh I'm having trouble with tabs in this release. If I create a new tab and try going to a site I get the the spinny rainbow and then it hangs or else the safari window disappears. I'm back on v62. :-(

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Yay! Tabs!

This is finally the version that replaced Camino as my default browser. The implementation of tabs is great although I have a couple of requests, first subfolders of folders in the bookmarks bar should all have "Open in Tabs" at the bottom, second there needs to be an option to have page requests from other apps open in a new tab rather than a new window as is possible with Camino.

Although it replaces Camino on my system and I'm sure many others, I hope the Camino developers aren't too discouraged. They've done excellent work and I hope they remain competitive. IE has been left in the dust by both of these browsers and their continued competition and innovation can only be a good thing (and both OSX only, Mwahahahahaha!). Now if only the next version of OmniWeb can catch up...

As for the DoJ hanging their head in shame... Why? Why should the Bushtapo be ashamed after accomplishing exactly what they intended?

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OTHER APP CAN OPN NEW TAB

I don't know what you guys are doing, but in my case I want URLs clicked on in Mail.app to open in the current Safari window, but in a new tab. It works. Just make sure that in the pref's "General" section the setting "Open links from applications" is set to "In the current window".

Click on any URL in another program and Safari will open it in the same window in a new tab.

HTH. :-)

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I'm a switcher now

YES!!! I LOVE IT.

I am now officially switching from Camino 0.7 to Safari.

With tabs and AutoFill it is just soooo perfect.

Great. Apple just did it again.

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Auto-Fill

Best implementation of auto-fill I have seen.

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tab trouble

i've got the spinning cursor with tabs as well. I've nuked all prefs, nuked the app, and reinstalled. I then went through pref-by-pref turning things on and testing. Everything runs great UNTIL I turn on Tabs. With tabs on, Safari hangs and sucks all available CPU cycles. NOTE: I *was* previously running v67 (where Tabs worked great.) Reverting back to v67 works -- but it's a bummer. I'll keep testing. Also note: I wasn't running any Safari-hack-apps, but I have been enabling the Debug menu to test a few things.

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It does not work

I have tried all the fixes, and now I have trashed everything and reinstalled, still nothing. I am trying again.

the new install didn't work either. Unexpectantly quit.

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IE

We can finally lay IE to rest. Next, Word!

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Mailto:

I have Safari beta1, and what I would like to know is how to get the Mail program instead of Eudora when I click on an email. TIA

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re: IE

"We can finally lay IE to rest. Next, Word!"

Umm... Actually OmniWeb layed IE to rest, Chimera/Camino layed OmniWeb to rest, and now we can lay Camino to rest. (although we should hope for continued competion)

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Re: mailto

I have Safari beta1, and what I would like to know is how to get the Mail program instead of Eudora when I click on an email. TIA

Try going to System Preferences, Internet, click the Mail tab, and choose your mail program. That should do it.

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Re: mailto

Thanks, I've looked there more than once, and I've missed it each time. But there it was, plain as the proverbial nose.

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Safari Quit??

To those with problem with Safari just go to your home and then library look for safari and drag it to trash and then launch Safari. Of course you lost your bookmark but you a working browser.

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Software Update...

Just used Software Update to upgrade and no issues at all... finally tabbed browsing!

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Hmm...

No pointless flaming, so I guess I'll spare this thread. (Not that I have a consistent policy, mind you.)

But be on the lookout. If threads become complete c***, make sure to respond with appropriate crapflooding.

The simplest page-widening technique (there are many) is a bunch of W's. (W is the widest character.)

If you use:

perl -e "print q{W} x 2900" | pbcopy

You'll get 2900 W's in your pasteboard... (And, yes, pbpaste also does what you think.)

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No we can't...

...lay IE to rest... There are still critical compatability issues with many sites & it still isn't as fast - until they are fixed, my 'real' work gets done on a PC in IE...

And yes, software install worked flawlessly for me...

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Re: No we can't..

I've laid IE to rest about four years ago. I've been working without any problems since then.

If your work absolutely requires IE I couldn't imagine that it is actually serious. Ha.

And yep, installed flawlessly via SU for me too. I had pith and beta1 but after the SU download everything worked perfectly.

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Re: Hmm...

Ah, let me see. What have we here?

Maybe a 12 year old little brat sucker who thinks he has to play thought police on this board...? Yawn.

You're life must be incredibly miserable if all you can do is post 200 w's. :rolleyes:

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Importing from Camino

Would someone please tell me how to import my bookmarks from Camino. I don't see an option for it anywhere!

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Alas.

I doubt I could ever explain the beauty of crapflooding, trolling in its purest form, to someone who was blind to the irony of accusing a troll of being a member of the thought police.

To someone who exhibits the immaturity needed to accuse someone of being 12 years old while dragging out an Orwell reference that couldn't possibly seem novel or clever to anyone with a high school education.

But... for you... I will.

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Prefs and crashing

On my DUAL 450 it the new Safari crashes even after all preferences and references have been deleted.

For those that are being told to delete their preferences you might want to take a moment and copy your [home] | library | safari | bookmarks.plist to the desktop. This is your bookmarks file and if you are like me, would not like loosing them.

If deleting your Beta1 preferences works for you, you can then copy the bookmarks in the new folder.

For those that are still having crashing issues, are you also on Dual Processor machines?

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lost will to live

I really wanted to post something useful, informative and provoking in this (what is usually termed) "lively thread", but after seeing all the W's I lost the will to live...

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The idiot above...

We are discussing the latest version of Safari. Please take your pointless posts elsewhere. They do not contribute to the debate, but just show up your immaturity. If you are NOT 12 years old, you certainly are acting as if you are.

Now, back to the discussion. What I would like to be able to do with Safari, is to select a bookmark in the toolbar list, and right click it to open just that one site in a separate tab. Not the entire contents of that bookmark folder. Can't seem to work out if this is possible.

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Re: The idiot above...

I agree 100%.

But even if this little b****** posts more of his w's
there is a work-around. Just typ enough returns yourself.

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JavaScript still broken

Bummed. Problems with JavaScript present in Beta 1 remain and are compounded in Beta 2. Fast, nice bookmark management, and optional tabbing, but still unusable as far as I'm concerned.

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Bad Posts

Wish we had the little "offensive post" icon that there is in versiontracker......would help MacNN considerably.....

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echoing sentiments

I love the autofill and the tabs (especially opening an entire list at once - SWEET). but still can't log onto my .mac account from behind a proxy server and while now I can log on to the novel webmail server the icon's are now displaying in some form (no pictures) on the bottom left of the page. 2 steps forward, one step back.

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THANX APPLE!!!!

I love Safari- All of the sites that I use work perfectly or are at least functional (whoever said CitiBank doesn't work is full of c***- the pull down menus don't go down when you mouseover, but you can still navigate to their contents)

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Safari

What a piece of junk! Apple needs to stop releasing these half a** products. And I know its a beta, but it feels like it's stuck in alpha. I'll stick with camino, where the browsing's good and there's no need to relaunch every ten minutes.

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PithHelmet problems

Safari wouldn't launch for until I got rid of the PithHelmet input manager. Now it's fine. People having problems should make sure they're not still using this. Turning on "crash reporting" in the Console app will give you a stack trace after the crash. It should tell you if Safari is crashing while loading some third party bundle. That's how I could see that PithHelmet was causing problems.

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still crashes repeatedly

more features, less stablity.

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updated 08:40 am EDT, Mon April 14, 2003

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