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Apple terminates Safari beta test program

updated 02:45 pm EST, Mon March 24, 2003

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Apple has terminated its , which gave some developers access to the latest test versions of its Safari browser, after some testers apparently leaked several prereleases to the public, according to c|net: "The decision followed the appearance on the Internet of a new prerelease known as Safari version 67."

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Typical

People don't know how to keep the software to themselves. I am sure they are going to blame Apple for this... stupid stupid...

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Not Surprising

I saw it available the day it was released.

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What!

This blows! You mean I have to wait for legal beta builds of Safari to be released????? I just can't go download them from 20 different places???? Apple just blows chunks, that's all I got to say on the matter!

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v67 rocks!

From what I have seen this beta version is what just about everybody has been wanting!

1. tabbed browsing and its user activated
2. auto form fill even user/passwords. So it says. I haven't tried
3. cursor disappears when using the arrow keys to scroll
4. still fast :)

Its still metal colored but what did you expect :) Apple is listening!

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V67

The new Safari is up in many sites on GNUtella... It is awesome! Why don't they release it instead of making us sit with the first beta release when they have added password support and TABS!

Hello Safari 67, goodbye Chimera or Camino or whatever!

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v67

Only thing I found wrong in v67 is the way it handles flash. It keeps opening new blank windows when I click on a link in a flash page and then loads the target in the original window.

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safari is nice

too bad it crashes so much...

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"too bad it crashes so much..."

It's a *beta*, what do you expect?

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Seems to me...

that the one (or two) fundmental reasons the v64 and v67 builds got so widely spread was because it includes features that almost the whole Mac community has wanted from Safari since day one - namely Tabs and Auto-fill, not to mention password support. If Apple would throw us a bone and release one of the betas to the public, MOST users would be happy and not start trying to scour the Internet for the releases. But as usual, Apple has to be incredibly secretive, even when it comes to features of a browser that they're already behind th times on. Considering that they did not invent tabs or autofill, how would having these released damage Apple's competitive edge, as one poster put it? They aren't doing anything cutting edge here - just including features that should be in the browser anyway. I don't get why they get their panties in a bunch over this. This isn't anything radical already! Just put out a new Public beta that has at least SOME of those features and most of the "pirates" will go away. Sheesh!

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Sheesh

yah. that;s all too it (sigh)

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Good...

I swear, sometimes geeks get on my nerves...

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Very buggy

You want to know why v62, 64, and 67 were private betas? They are extremely unstable. 62 and 64 times out on many web sites that opens easily with Camino and Mozilla. 67 manages to open the web sites, but fails frequently before completely loading the page. And all 3 builds are notorious for crashing when doing stuff with lots of tabs.

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Re: Seems to me

"But as usual, Apple has to be incredibly secretive, even when it comes to features of a browser that they're already behind th times on"

1. if Apple wants to keep what they're working on secret until they decide to release it, that's their choice. DEAL WITH IT.

2. you are ALREADY COMPLAINING that Apple is "behind the times"?!?!? dear god, they haven't even released the 1.0 version of their software, and you are ALREADY COMPLAINING???

let me say this again (because, apparently, most the kids on macnn can't grasp this concept): SAFARI IS A BETA. deal with it. live with it. get over it.

if Apple released their v62 as the "final version", then by all means, criticize them for being "behind the times". but geez, give them some time to come out with the final product before you start complaining at how inferior it is...

I propose a new slogan for this site -
"MacNN - the most trusted source of Mac Whiners"

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"But as usual, Apple has to be incredibly secretive, even when it comes to features of a browser that they're already behind the times on"

And you'd probably be one of the first to complain about the bugs if Apple did release some of their interim releases. Geez, if people would spend half the energy on something productive that they do on whining, you could write your own browser!

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Re: seems to me

that the one (or two) fundmental reasons the v64 and v67 builds got so widely spread was because it includes features that almost the whole Mac community has wanted from Safari since day one - namely Tabs and Auto-fill, not to mention password support. If Apple would throw us a bone and release one of the betas to the public, MOST users would be happy and not start trying to scour the Internet for the releases.

Wait, they've released two betas to the public. What do you want? Oh, you want all betas, no matter the stability, to be released. But I'm sure you wouldn't complain if they released them but that they crashed or didn't work well.

But as usual, Apple has to be incredibly secretive, even when it comes to features of a browser that they're already behind th times on. Considering that they did not invent tabs or autofill, how would having these released damage Apple's competitive edge, as one poster put it? They aren't doing anything cutting edge here - just including features that should be in the browser anyway.

Right, but they AREN'T finished yet, fool. That's why they didn't make them public (h***, it wasn't until v67 that they were close enough to take them out of the debug menu).

And the reason they tend to be secretive is, for example, let's say they wanted to test out tabs but found a huge problem with implementation. You have two choices. Remove the feature or delay release and fix it. Well, if no one knows its going to be in there, you can remove it, say it'll be in the next version, and release the stuff on time. But if everyone knows its supposed to be in there, then they all start going nuts about how its missing! (For example, there were some features in pre-release builds of Jag, like the minimize in place, that didn't make the cut, and people
questioned Apple cut them out.)

I don't get why they get their panties in a bunch over this. This isn't anything radical already! Just put out a new Public beta that has at least SOME of those features and most of the "pirates" will go away.

Its not about 'radical' features. Its about not having your stuff out there when you don't want it out there. Apple will put out a new public beta when its stable enough for public release (just like they did with .60). Whether you like it or not, when a company or group releases a public beta, its released with the understanding of it being a beta, but since its public, its also believed by the users to be stable enough to actually work relatively well. Most people don't look at a beta as "Wow, new software to test out, look for bugs, and report problems on!". They look at it as "Wow, early look at new software!" and then whine over its unstable or unfinishedness (like all the whining here over lack of tabs!).

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So, is this thread......

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The Whine and Jeez Party!

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Re: Seems to me...

Beta 64 was released to the public. I got it via Software Update. Now, beta 67 is another story.

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Or was that 63? I don't remember.

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Erm...

You people that claim v64 wasn't released to the public because it's beta and soooo buggy: have you actually *used* v64? I've been using it on a regular basis for several weeks now -- tabs and all -- and love it. Haven't had any problems, and it's been more stable for me than the last public beta. If it were really as buggy and crash-prone as you all claim, people wouldn't be finding "pirate" servers to download it from.

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So it's buggy...

I don't mind. I have about as many problems as with v62 and v64. But I don't know what people are talking about when they say it crashes. I've visited 229 pages so far, according to the history, and it hasn't crashed on me yet, and I keep six tabs open.

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Re: Erm

I've used v62, 64, and 67 and perhaps they are not dramatically less stable than v60, but they are definitely not public beta quality, in my opinion.

I am browsing right now with v67 and according to the Activity Window, a couple of image files timed out loading up. On some other web sites, it's even worse. And 'only accept cooking from sites you navigate to' is broken, letting many foreign cookies sneak in.

v62 and 64 were even worse than v67. I couldn't even open many web sites such as TitanTV.com.

Don't get me wrong. I still browse with Safari 90% of the time, but it crashes at least a couple of times a day and it frustrates me with many timeouts or incomplete page load.

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Apple is losing

The leakage of these betas has HELPED Apple in catching rendering bugs. Read Dave Hyatt's weblog:

http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt/archives/2003_02.html#002576

Apple should allow all ADC members, even free members, to test out Safari, at least for now. They're not planning to do anythign monumental with this software right now and they need all the help they can get to find rendering bugs. I'm not angry since I use Camino but I think it would be in Apple's best interest to let as many people play with Safari betas as possible.

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secretive.

No, its not really about being secretive, its all about CONTROL, Apple with STeve at the helm is just about being able to CONTROL everything, hardware, software, prices, you name it. Apple is just a control freak! Wait until the day (if) they become big.

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fine with me

i have safari 67 and as far as im concerned they dont need to release any more seeds. all the bugs i have experienced are gone now and tabs work excellent in this version. i suggest you al find it and see. it will be your main browser. no need for anything else . its stable . so stable and beautifull. no more seeds even necesary haha.

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:(

I juste downloaded v67 but it crashs at the very begining. I even can't see a window ! ( I trashed the prefs and tryed safari enhencer for v67) Nothing ... It is still impossible to start it. Do you have any idea ?

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v67

I don't think this would be much of a big deal if v64 and v67 didn't have major features that people have been waiting on (tabbed browsing, autocompletion). The average person won't care and will use v60. The person who downloaded v64 will go off in search of v67 hoping it will have some fixes (which it does).

Apple DOES have their panties in a tithy over this. Doth quoth from apple: "We'll get better at the open source game over time." BS, if you ask me. Apple is just as closed off about their software as they've always been. Here they release a beta, Safari v60. They willfully want people to download this program, use it, and click the little bug thingy on the top right when the program craps out on a page. Yet they don't want people going off on the net to download newer betas that have been posted, which have fixed a few of those bugs (while introducing others, admitedly.)

This way, apple gets to get it's cake and eat it too. They get to put out an unstable piece of software before it's ready, and get all marketing and hype that goes along with it. AND they get to look all good to their shareholders by "cracking down" on "unauthorized" new betas.

Give me Camino and it's nightly builds (WITH appropriate beta warnings) over that c*** any day.

Beta software is beta software. If they're going to bother to release a piece of software before 1.0 (ie v60), then they should be prepared that the testers are going to want the latest builds.

What pisses me off MORE is how apple plays politics with all this c***. Pre-release versions of ALL apple software ALWAYS hit Carracho like the minute they are seeded. When has apple been able to stop THAT from happening? Any they are pissing and moaning about Safari? Give me a break.

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Apple terminates Safari beta test program

updated 02:45 pm EST, Mon March 24, 2003

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