Camino is way better than Safari, people...Tabs are not everything a browser is all about. Why you don't at least leave the developers alone and stop offending them God forgive you, if for some stupid reason, in a cursed day Camino developers will abandon it...
How can one be so superficial about it? Camino and Chimera almost never crashed on me. You do something wrong. I have tabbed Safari on my desktop... simply NOT yet!I will use Camino, no matter what!

Since none of us use the same features or visit the same websites, whether a browser is better or worse than another is completely biased. With that said, just because you think browser X is better than browser Y it doesn't make it a fact. It's merely an opinion. An opinion of one out of 5 billion people on this world, therefore irrelevant. If you *TRULY* loves your browser of choice so much and you want to convert the rest of the world to your side, you should try to be a little nicer. Insulting other people's choices is not going to make them want to switch to your side.

Anyway, I just downloaded the daily build of Camino and they have "fixed" all the Aqua GUI widgets. Our beloved Aqua buttons and boxes are back :-)

I need auto proxy config, absolutely a neccessity for me. Camino has this and it works well. It is also faster than Safari and deals appropriately with more sites than safari.

And yes I agree, have some respect. Camino has not cost anyone a cent.

Is it really so hard to accept that we have several rather good browsers? I have minor gripes with each, and like different things about each, but, and it is the only important thing: Once in a while I have to use my W2k box at work for browsing and OH MY GOD! am I thankful for Mozilla, Camino nee Chimera, and Safari. h***, I'm even thankful for Omniview even though I don't use it as it is through the competition that they all get better.

For my part, I've used Mozilla most until Camino .7 got the closing order of tabs right, but it really is a personal preference thing. Remember, it wasn't that long ago that the choice was an awful, slow IE or a buggy Netscape 4.x.

Finally, I am amazed that anyone has the gall to criticize a suite of free, powerful, elegant software that makes my pc using friends so jealous.

um... camino isnt aqua anymore ?
thats lame.
why not?

> as soon as safari has tabs you are out of business.

Well, actually since Camino is a free browser they can't "go out of business", but apart from that you're right. If they can't get the new trunk in their code and speed it up mighty Safari with tabs will kick them out of the race in terms of market share. I can see it already: Safari: 90%, IE: 5%, OW: 3%, Camino/Mozilla: 2%, i.e. say goodbye to the Camino user share...

>um... camino isnt aqua anymore ?
>thats lame.
>why not?

> as soon as safari has tabs you are out of business

Wouldn´t it be great if you did at least _a_little_ reading, before or after downloading stuff? The following quote is situated immediately below the 'nightly build' download link on the camino project index page:

"Note that we recently started to produce nightly builds from the trunk, rather than the stable branch that Camino 0.7 was built from, so some features are broken, or look odd (like form controls). Bear with us while we migrate all the Camino fixes back to the trunk."

Jeez. If you don´t want to do your homework, boys, at least spare us and the Camino developers your unsmart comments.

I mean, who cares that much. I use Mozilla and iCab almost exclusively. Function is the raison d'etra (did I get that right?). I use the browser appropriate to my puroses at the time. Doesn't eveybody?
rdw

from what planet are you? camino is pure opensource. do you think microsoft bashes the linux community just as uninsightful as you did? (well, I guess they do -- "HA HA we have 97% of the market, soon we'll put those linux-idiots out of business!") I'll stick with my camin 'til the road ends!
2% market share is still a market share. And further more, is that real numbers? I'm sure Mozilla/Camino has much larger market share than little messy wrong-rendering OmniWeb.
but in some ways your right, now that Apple ships their new macs with safari in the dock - I guess IE for Mac is finally out of the picture (thank god, coz damn, that thing hasn't moved since Apple released the G4).

and if the camino team stops by to read all this -- keep up the good work.

Camino is a good browser and I use it 99%.

But fact is when Safari gets tabs Camino will lose the largest part of its user base. And then the Camino devs have to answer the question what they'll do: Watch Camino become irrelevant or give it some stuff that Safari doesn't have (speed?). If it's the latter I'd be interested in knowing what should keep us from jumping ship.

Safari development at Apple is high priority and much is being done for it. Camino's development is much lower scale. Look how long we've been stuck with Chimera 0.6. It's been since before Christmas... Camino devs need to give us reasons to stay.

Apart from anything else, the Mozilla browsers all crash my printer (HP 5000), so I've no option but to use IE or Safari (actually my preferred browser is Nav 4.7).

> now that Apple ships their new macs with safari in the dock

I've got a 12" PowerBook, I had to download Safari, it wasn't even on the machine, let alone in the Dock.