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ADC JavaScript test results: Mozilla wins

updated 08:15 pm EST, Fri February 21, 2003

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Apple Developer Connection has posted the among the six major browsers for the Mac (Safari, Mozilla, Internet Explorer, iCab, Opera, and Omniweb). The tests conclude that Mozilla has the best overall script handling with its XML import features (except for one bug), while Safari comes in second (and OmniWeb in last place).

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WOW!

So does that mean that Chimera would do as well as Mozilla, or not necessarily?

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Re: WOW!

Eventually, yes, Chimera will do as well as Mozilla all aspects of rendering. Currently, Chimera is based on an older version of Mozilla's layout engine because developers wanted to focus on bringing Chimera up to speed in functionality and such without the floor moving from under them. Once Chimera is more mature will they bring the layout engine up to date with the current Mozilla code.

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Don't know

Well, the rendering engine will not affect Chimera's abilities to execute most of these script tests, but I'm not sure of an answer.

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Chimera

My guess is that chimera Kicked Safari's a** and they didn't want to post is so they used Mozilla as an example instead.

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Sigh...

...Chimera IS Mozilla, as far as javascript's concerned. Just an old version of Mozilla.

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Safari and OS-X

Given that the download size of Safari is something like 1/10 that of Internet Explorer I can't help but think that a fair amount of Safari's capabilities are provided by OS-X itself. I noted that although the version of Safari used in the test was the most recently released beta, version 60, that the version of OS-X used was version 10.2.1 as opposed to the current 10.2.4. I wonder if the tests would show any difference under the current OS-X release.

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gecko

Lemme tell you, this Chimera is one h*** of a good Mac browser. While it uses the same gecko rendering engine as Moz, it's a fully native Cocoa outer wrapper. I used to be of the "real men don't need tabs" school, but once I started actually using them, I find there's no way I can go back. That plus full keychgain support and I'm sticking with Chimera. The current plan is to "re-sync" with the trunk (gecko) very soon now; the issues seeming to hang that up is, naturally, the lawyers (they have to change the name and the best candidate to please the lawyers is Camino (yeah, I know, butt-ugly doesn't do justice to a browser named Camino).

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read the article.

please read the article. there was no clear winner. Mozilla may have passed all the tests, but it said it was slow. All the browsers had pros and cons.

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Lawyers?

I serious doubt the Chimera "team" has *a* lawyer, let alone a group of lawyers tellin them what to do.

More than likely someone got a threatening email, they all pouted and then tossed back some beers to come up with "Camino" and spin this story to no end to garner some sympathy marketshare (aww look at the poor widdle browser being beat up by upstart Safari).

Blah.

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Tests are a fraud!

I'm not even going to bother reading them, because I know they're fake! How? Easy, the story says Safari came in second! There's no way anyone releases test results about anything without they're product coming up first. For example, Apple uses some half-baked Photoshop tests to show the Mac wipes up the PC in speed. PC idiots use some other half-baked tests to show the PC wipes up the Mac. PC idiots don't come out and say "Wow, we ran our own tests and the Mac makes the PC look like a commodore 64. We're all buying Macs!" Its just not done.

Therefore, the fact that Safari came in second shows me someone wasn't testing things right...

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drrr

It wasn't a press release to garner support for Safari, it was simply an article about the different Mac browsers on Apple's developer forums.....So the fact that Safari came 2nd doesn't mean jack, just as they say there are still issues that need to be resolved before it comes out of Beta...

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RE: Test are a fraud!

The article includes code sniplets that you can use to reproduce the tests. That means you can easily reproduce them. I don't believe they are biased and if you think they are then counter them with your own tests, after all, testing JavaScript is not such a big deal. But you rather speculate right?

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RE: Tests are a fraud!

I think what the author means is that if the same tests show Safari performing poorly than they would have either used different tests to make Safari seem better or not do the tests at all. I can see where he/she is coming from no company is going to publish test results showing poor results from their products.

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Try Mozilla 1.3b

If you are using Mozilla 1.2.1 and find it to be slow on application load times and slower on rendering pages, than I suggest you try the 1.3b version it has major improvements in those two areas.

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Try Mozilla 1.3b

I tried it. I read it was faster at launching (wasn't) and displaying pages (not sure). However, when it failed completely to read my stored passwords, I kicked it off and put back 1.2, which still works (and can load form data). Wouldn't surprise me if they changed something again. When they went from 1.2 (or was it 1.1) half my passwords weren't being read because they decided to store them now with the http: c*** in front of them, where before they didn't. Mozilla is starting to really feel like a project by programmers for programmers (I mean, lets be serious, how many people were clamoring for the 'type a link' feature, where you type the first few letters of a hyperlink, and it highlights the link! Woohoo! And to think before I had to use a mouse...)

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They left one out

the following script won't work in Safari with a pop-up window:

Very annoying.

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Oops

That script won't even show up these forums... hehe...

<body onBlur="window.close()">

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Re: Oops

Well, on some browsers closing a window the user created is considered a security violation. So, in those cases closing a window in javascript does not work.

I see that working in some browsers and not others depending on security implementation.

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Re: Lawyers?

> I serious doubt the Chimera "team" has *a* lawyer,
> let alone a group of lawyers tellin them what to
> do. More than likely someone got a threatening
> email, they all pouted and then tossed back some
> beers to come up with "Camino" and spin this story
> to no end to garner some sympathy marketshare (aww
> look at the poor widdle browser being beat up by
> upstart Safari).

You're a moron. The Chimera team is sponsored by AOL, and it's AOL's lawyers that are (a) rejecting all kinds of groovy names, and (b) are doing the legal review on "Camino".

Get your facts straight before you spout off, please.

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Re: Lawyers?

Wow your naivete is matched only by your idiocy. Are you perhaps familiar with the Mozilla project's patron, AOL Time Warner? Did you know that lawyers for said company are looking over the Chimera naming issues? No? You don't read about these kinds of things? Then kindly shut the f*** up and quit spreading uninformed drivel.

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javascript isn't every-

-thing.

What about all the others?

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window print

Try "window.print()" or any variation of it.
It doesn't work with most Mac browsers in both 10.x.x and 9.x (it does work with NN). You would be surprised how many clients have asked me for a print button on their web site and I have to tell them it's not supported with most Mac browsers. I have to tell them most Mac users will have to rely on the printing ability of their OS instead. I'm all for less paper usage, but I also would like to provide the JS functionality clients want on their site.

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window print

Try "window.print()" or any variation of it.
It doesn't work with most Mac browsers in both 10.x.x and 9.x (it does work with NN). You would be surprised how many clients have asked me for a print button on their web site and I have to tell them it's not supported with most Mac browsers. I have to tell them most Mac users will have to rely on the printing ability of their OS instead. I'm all for less paper usage, but I also would like to provide the JS functionality clients want on their site.

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they are all bad

Maybe it's a Microsoft and DHTML world out there, but a lot of pages don't open very well or suffer partial failures on any Mac browsers - I use Chimera, Safari, and Mozilla.

Don't shoot the messenger.

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RE: they are all bad

Where's my gun :-)

It's all about agreeing upon and following the rules. Not everyone does... MS of course doesn't help the global need and mules in whatever helps keep the monopoly going without regards to standards and hence the rest of the world.

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Opera/Omniweb/IE

I don't know about you guy but the message I took from this was that IE is past it, Opera is not up to it and Omniweb dearly needs that webcore rendering engine. That Mozilla won, is I think probably fare. I noticed he was also testing Windows broswers, shame IE 6 wasn't included.

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Safari

"Given that the download size of Safari is something like 1/10 that of Internet Explorer I can't help but think that a fair amount of Safari's capabilities are provided by OS-X itself."

????

There is no reason to think that.

Safari is just written much much more efficiently.

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Pre-judging

" I used to be of the "real men don't need tabs" school, but once I started actually using them, I find there's no way I can go back. "

So you admit that you took a judgemental stand against something that you never actually knew nothing about?

Way to go!

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Lawyers

"I serious doubt the Chimera "team" has *a* lawyer, let alone a group of lawyers tellin them what to do."

Well, you are wrong.

AOL/Netscape's group of lawyers telling them which names are legal to use,

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