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Apple announces 'Spring line' of iMacs

updated 08:30 am EST, Tue February 4, 2003

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Apple today , featuring two new models. The new 17-inch widescreen model has a 1GHz G4 processor and 133 MHz system bus; 256MB of DDR memory; a faster 4x SuperDrive for playing and burning CDs and DVDs; and internal support for AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth and the new 15-inch flat panel model features an 800MHz G4 processor and is now priced at $1,400 ($200 reduction).

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no FW 800 ?

or did I miss it on their page ?

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Ho hum

First post! (just kidding).

Well, at least it's 1 GHz, but the pricing is still too high (IMHO). No FireWire 800? (Haven't confirmed that, just didn't see it in MacNN's description.

Apple STILL needs a sub-$1000 headless machine (for people to add their own monitor or tube to it).

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AAPL

It's a good day to be an Apple Stock Holder.

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Nice, but...

I like the move to DDR SDRAM, Airport Extreme, etc. 1Ghz is nice, too. However, for an upgrade that's been 13 months in the works, it seems pretty minor. Hopefully we won't have to wait another 13 months for another 25% speed increase.

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What I HATE ....

Doesn't Apple ever get it that a 'consumer' wants kick-a** options on graphic cards? No BTO anything, no upgrade even possible?

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sux0r

iMac update sux0r. eMac update rox0r.

Give us the $999 Cube, Steve!

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Ho Hum My a**

How can you say Ho Hum when Apple just released, New PowerBooks, Improved PowerMacs, Improved iMacs, Airport Extreme, Bluetooth Compatibility, Safari, iLife, and Keynote? (I hope I didn't miss anything).

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Australian 17 inch iMac

The Australia apple store lists the 17 inch iMacs as having a GForce 2MX with 64mb. I'm hoping the 2 is a typo. I presume it's the same as the US model with a GeForce 4MX?

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re: Ho Hum

I agree!!

Cut the monitor off the sucker and sell us an iDome (or insert other marketing name here).

I couldn't justify the cost of a tower mac for the longest time, I also couldn't justify giving up my 21" monitor to go to a iMac.

I don't think Apple gets consumers.

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I'd actually want ...

... a 2 button mouse as well!

Dreams never die, just the dreamer. I'm basically a lazy web surfer that hates it when I have to expend the energy of two hands instead of one!

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How about some integrity

You posted this story at 8:30? I severely doubt it, considering the press release wasn't even posted until 8:31. At the earliest, you posted at 8:45 -- a good 10 minutes after everyone else. Not that a few minutes matters in the grand scheme of things, but at least don't lie.

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How about some integrity

You posted this story at 8:30? I severely doubt it, considering the press release wasn't even posted until 8:31. At the earliest, you posted at 8:45 -- a good 10 minutes after everyone else. Not that a few minutes matters in the grand scheme of things, but at least don't lie.

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Minor Case Adjustments

Minor Case Adjustments would be nice, like the headphone jack front and centre, maybe a Firewire and USB port as well.

Sometimes Practicality gets lost in design.

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two button mouse

YES! jeesh, how can they justify not having this? it is such a time saver. not having scrolling and right clicking is inexcusable. i don't want to go to the scroll bar darnit! right click in a browser to go back instead of going up to back... the list is endless. btw, i noticed that safari doesn't even have an option click to go back, you have to click the back button!
other than that, i'm all for more performance and lower prices. done complainin.

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Aargh.

Buy a frickin two button mouse whiners!

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2 btn mouse

Yea, like, WTF? If you want a 2 button mouse so damn bad, then buy one. I've had one for ever and have used it on all my Macs. People new to computers have no friggin clue what all that stuff does on the mouse - simplicity. Apple knows this, and they also know that 'power-users' probably have their own mouse. If anything, I think Apple should allow you to buy their damn computers WIHTOUT a mouse and keyboard - thats what I'd rather see. The next thing I'd like for them to offer is a wireless keyboard/mouse combination using BlueTooth.

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Correct the article!

There's a slip-up in the news article here: the 15" Combo iMac is now $1300, not $1400. At that price range it can indeed make a bit of a difference.

The improvement in the low-end iMac seems to be more the feature set than anything. It's been a bit over a year since the iMac was introduced, true, but $1300 gets you considerably more now. You get the speed boost, extra memory, the ability to read DVDs (and faster than the older Combo drive, too), a larger hard drive, and such a radical thing as "real" speakers.

I'm not sure if this will help Apple as much when you compare to something like the Profile 4, but it won't hurt. For about $90 more than the 15" CD-RW Profile 4, you get a Combo drive (and one faster than any of the Profile's current models). Now if only Apple could get faster processors - that would really sell more units.

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arroooowww

.....i don't want to go to the scroll bar darnit!

Use the up and down arrows to scroll your webbrowser.... it works.

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Consumers

Doesn't Apple ever get it that a 'consumer' wants kick-a** options on graphic cards?

I don't think Apple gets consumers.

No, you don't get consumers. "Regular" consumers don't want computers they need to futz with, they just want something that works. You people aren't consumers. At best, you're "Pro consumers".

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2 button mouse whiners

For heaven's sake, shut up and go buy a Logitech 2 button, scroll wheel, optical mouse. The cost less than $15 now!

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re: Ho Hum

I am confused by your coment... Apple sells a G4 tower starting at $1499. It is for professional users and people who want more options. If you are complaining because you want to have a cheap headless iMac so you can use your precious 21" monitor to play games, you are just plain dumb. Go out and buy a $200 playstation and leave the computers to the people who use them for a purpose!

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Damn!

No floppy!

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WAKE UP APPLE!!!!

So I can't understand why Apple can't sell a good machine under 1000 bucks . This is crazy we are paying more for outdated processors. It doesn't make sense! Dell and other wintel machine prices are decreasing monthly while Apple can't increase mhz and lower prices. All State, Educational , Businesses are finanically starved right now. Not to mention the consumer. Tell me who in their right mind would buy a more expensive machine that isn't as fast? I love Apple and OS X but realistic the fact remains people, schools, businesses with budgets will see that you can get a wintel machine for less money (Dell $499) That faster, has more applications and can do all the apple does. Don't give me that c*** about iphoto and imovie. There are ways to do it on XP.
Look at it this way if I have a budget I can get two dell machine for the price of one Apple. Yes it is WinXP and all that c*** but Students don't care and workers don't care, as long as they can run the applications that they need. Photoshop on PC works just as good as on the Apple, Word has just as many bugs as on both platforms.
Also if you look at it this way 499 or less is really cheep , I can use the dell for a few years or even a year and either buy the next greatest Dell or if Apple gets it's act together I can then buy the newest Apple. The fact remains Apple that once you lose those institutions they may never come back. Trust me I see it everyday. I am also a developer of educational material. Our latest releases are cross platform. I spent more time and effort getting the products to run nice on os9 andos X then I did on the XP side. What do I get for that effort. Out of two test classes , two students has mac's. One with os 9 and the other with 10.1. Another class has 1 student. Our clusters here are 85% Dell and the other side are imacs running OS 9( really slow). Our publisher even told us that fewer and fewer people they support use Macs. So where does that leave you Apple? Wake up and look around. If you really try you maybe can change your fate.:-(

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re: wake up

usually people posing as MAC owners, usually call them Apple's.

If you people are going to pretend to be Mac users at least get it right: I love my MAC, or sure you can buy a MAC for x amount of dollars but you can get 2 dells for that.

But regardless , the eMacs are still way overpriced. Apple will never be really competitive price wise, but narrowing the gap more would be nice, hows 799 or 899. Sure its not much cheaper, but it does make a big difference to penny pinchin switchers.

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hahaha

re: usually people posing as MAC owners, usually call them Apple's

Usually people who are really are losers, make that kind of ridiculous loser commentary.

Get a life. b****.

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Go Away

Go away PC users, you are only here because you have a syndrome called mac-envy. If you want to buy a PC, that's fine, just get into your Hyundai's then, drive down to Wal-mart, and leave us Mac users to our BMW's, Audi's, and Mercedes.

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A am an Apple or Mac user

I am an apple user!! I bet I was using an Apple before you where born !

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Another one?

Yo, "Go Away".

You must be the admin here. What's the VIN from your bimmer, b****?

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Re: dell

Also if you look at it this way 499 or less is really cheep , I can use the dell for a few years or even a year and either buy the next greatest Dell

Yes, but for 499 you get 128M RAM, small harddrive, and nice celeron type processor. and no monitor. So to get it even close to regular specs of a mac, its up to 900 dollars, at least.

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Does anyone ever bother?

Tose $499 Dells are c***. Same goes for every other $499 pc POS out there. Plain and simple. Ever call to try to order one? Oops - you need this upgrade, that upgrade, etc. Really a hard sell, and I'd bet they sell few of those. As part of my day job, I do our lease purchases for our company. We use IBM (NEVER, EVER will I use DELL - they are the WORSR COMPUTERS - this comes from a 10 year tech background). None that are decent enough cost under $1000, and most are around $1100-1200. No $499 systems there with De-Celerons (WORSE performance at 2Ghz than an 800 Mhz G4), integrated shared memory video (tearing away from that generous 128MB), etc...

A couple weeks ago, I helped a friend try to pick upa sub $1k Laptop for her Mom. Plenty in ads. Go there and find out - oops - out of stock or discontinued. But we have plenty of the $1400+ machines lying around. I could walk over to an Apple store and buy $999 iBooks all day long. Not to mention, the $1300 12" iBook is probably the BEST value out there. Last night came home from the West Coast (San Diego to the East coast). The iBook lasted the entire flight (4+ hours), the time in the airport waiting for the connection, and I even burnt a CD. At about 45 mins I did have to reduce the brightness a little, but other than that it was full. AMAZING. My IBM laptop for work is lucky to see 2 hours tops!!!

Not to mention you get more now than before with the new iMac. My "new" iMac cost me $1799 a year ago. Now it's considerably less. Great!

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And there you go

This has been the main point about Apple machines for some time. Yes you can get a base PC for cheaper, but when you build it to match Apple's machine specs it comes in at around the same price.

The whiners always seem to leave this part out. I wonder why...

I guess they wouldn't have anything to whine about.

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BFD

Yea, go buy your Dell for 499. Its 499 of complete and total c***. If you cannot appreciate the value of the products that Apple provides, then don't buy it. Why do you feel it is required to come into public forums and slander a product based on your opinions?

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2 Button mouse

Hopefully never, go buy one.

1GHz iMac not over priced. Think of the built in capabilities and the supplied software. This isn't something a pathetic XP machine can't offer without spending extra on superdrives and iApps comprable applications.

Barring chip speed, Apple offers what no other pc can, so to the moaners and whiners, consider your options.

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Re: Dell c***

Sure the Dell has c*** specs, but at least it's available. Not everybody cares about getting the best specs. There's a whole class of people who can't afford anything better than $499 and even that is pushing it. If $499 is pushing it, the eMac would be one of those "Sorry Johnny, maybe someday" deals.

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Dell (how I hate thee)

On the Dell though you get a bare bones system which you need to add so many bloody options to make it reasonably (and I use that term loosely) usable. Take the bloody Dell and match it's contents to an Apple and you'll find that the Apple is very competitively priced.

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Sub Par

Thank God Apple doesn't make a sub-par $500 machine...it would ruin its image.

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Who are you talking to ?

Does it hurt because you know I am right. I have always used Apple since day 1, I have eaten lunch with Steve Jobs and and I have always supported Apple. A fact is a fact , Apple is not gaining ground. Our University was 90 % MAC , a few years ago. Now it is 90% PC. Our Department is mostly PC now. Our Lab is the only major user of Apple in this department. Why ? Because others can't afford Apple computers or they got pissed off because Apple did not support them like others did. These are all facts . What does that mean ? That means less students use the Apple, they will buy the PC because it is cheeper and they will learn how to use it. When they leave the University they will use a PC in most businesses situations. If the economy gets worse, jobs will also depend on if you know one platform from another. I have students come up to me and say I like the Mac but most job postition I look at require PC knowledge. I try to tell them this does not matter but they have been trained otherwise.
So I don't have mac-envy , I am someone who sees why Apple is not gaining ground .In the trenches dailiy fighting for Apple but getting tired. Apple need to help by, getting new processors , cheeper prices that students and people with budgets can afford. Why do I have to work on a PC more and more? Becuase I develop Software! And Who is the biggest user group? PC's! that is right , so who do I have to lean towards, PC production. DO I WANT TO DO THIS. NO !!!! I use my Powerbook Ti, XServer, PowerMac G4 dual 800, Powermac G4 dual 500, 3 Imacs daily but am stuck having to use both the PC and MAC. More and more it leans towards PC , why you may ask becuase , Becuase the students who mostly have PC's force me to , the university's that have mostly Dell clusters say so, the publisher that tell us that PC's are the number one choice now for educational places tell me so. So why do you say I am a loser ? Why do you say I have Mac-Envy. I am the person that writes software for the MAC you idiots. I am the one that would love to have mac as the 90% of the market share. Have I stopped writing code for the MAC? No! Do I like how OS X makes my products? YES
So don't get mad @ me! Get mad @ Apple for losing the Educational Market , for not being able to compete with falling PC prices. Instead of getting pissed off and yelling at the people on your own side why don't you suggest ways to solve this issue? Why don't you as a consumer demand more from Apple. I am sure we all want Apple to be around for another 20 years but right now apple is digging a hole that @ some point they will not be able to get out of.

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ClassLESS of people

Trailer trash dumb morons like $500 computers because they're dumb, uneducated peeps who also own GM cars like Corsicas and whatever their cheapest offering is, they're not smart consumers, they're uneducated "cheap" consumers who, in the long run, pay a lot in repairs, then again, they think "wooohooo, 500 hundret for a computor, think of how much Bud and Miller I can buy, woohoo!" Now someone who's educated, well read, and cares about quality, does the research to find that cheap is cheap and quality is quality. It's no surprise that surveys have shown year after year Mac owners are far more educated than peecee users, have higher income brackets and, clearly, better taste.

And to these morons with the "$500 Del, Apple needs one," first, that whole "I'd have bought an Apple but they're so expensive" is for losers, get a loan or stop spending so much on cyberporn. Second Apple could make said machine if they wanted to still make CRTs and put lackluster Moto chips in a BUTT ugly case design that even a blind engineer couldn't love (that $500 Del is sooo attractive... NOT!)... no problem. But if you think Apple should make such a machine you clearly not only missed the point, you've got no taste and have no clue about Apple.

Spec for spec the 17 inch iMac is a damn good offering, have you complainers seen or played with one in person? Snappy! And it comes with a Superdrive? You can't tell me there's a peecee out there with the specs, all in one, that small a footprint, that good looking, out there... there isn't, and no I don't care if there's one with lesser specs but a faster processor, unless it's a dual AMD for the same price then I'll take it seriously (AMD: the only real chip processor on the dark side) running at a Pentium crushing speed (which hey peecee loving a*******, how come the AMD chips running at sometimes many MHz less than the Pentiums CRUSH them, could it be that MHz is a myth, that and Intel BLOWS and is a joke and sells s*** and has you peecee weenies asking for seconds because you're CHUMPS!).

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Re: 2 Button mouse

Please stop calling people whiners because they point out a feature Apple has been neglecting for years. The authentic Apple Pro Mouse is one of the most expensive, yet one which the fewest innovation. I wonder if anyone has actually bought one in replacement of a broken one. If you enjoy being ripped off by Apple, it's your problem. It doesn't give you the right to call whiners people who raise this issue. If you think Apple is doing a great job. good for you. You don't know what you're missing. Some "whiners" here do. I'm one of them.

BTW, many PC users who get to use my mac always ask where the left button is on my mouse. Apple, not only should you come up with a two-button scroll wheel mouse for long-time Apple users, but for PC switchers too. They wouldn't be so confused.

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Re: Ho Hum

I posted the original "ho hum" comment, and it referred to this announcement, not the MacWorld announcements. That was far from ho, hum, I agree (really want a 17" AlBook).

I am not a gamer. I am an IT manager responsible for 150+ Macs in a small business. Because of the economy, we haven't purchased a new Mac since I got my 500MHz TiBook 2 years ago.

Hopefully, after the war is over (or never happens), the economy will pick up, and I'll be able to start replacing a whole bunch of 4 and 5 year old machines. I can replace our Wall Streets with the $999 iBook, but there's a big hole in the product line for a sub-$1000 desktop. I don't want to pay $1800 for a 1 GHz iMac with an attached LCD monitor - and don't tell me the $1499 G4 tower is acceptable (too much $$$). I really, really want an 800 MHz G4 box (like the cube was) to replace all of my beige G3's. I have tons of external monitors already, and can get a decent (Sony) 17" LCD for $375. I can get decent PC's in this price range from Dell, Gateway, etc. but not from Apple. I don't need PCI slots. I don't want an integrated monitor. I just want a CPU! I think this would appeal to "switchers" too (just use their existing monitor and peripherals, assuming driver compatibility, and just replace the CPU box).

I've been using the Mac since the Lisa (I still have my 2/10). My personalized license plates are "MAC WIZ". But, if Apple doesn't offer anything in this price range later this fall, I may have to seriously look at the Intel/PC world - something I do not want to do at all.

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New iMac

Whats the big deal about Fire Wire 800? I mean, I don't have anything that will take advantage of it anyway, so if the new iMac did have it, I couldn't use it.

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Internal Memo

As of today, all University employees who spell "cheap" as "cheep" will be terminated without further notice. Thank you.

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Internal Memo

Internal Memos RAWK!

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Ok, devloper dude.

I think I can understand where you're coming from. But this whole " I'm in the trenches fighting for Apple and I'm getting tired" rhetoric is kind of g**. The "trenches" are mythical, and your "fight" is entirely in your own mind.

People who currently use Apple machines know how great they are. PC users who switch know how great they are. It's not gonna take a sub-$500 Apple machine to give Apple the lion's share of the market. A sub-$500 dollar Apple machine does nothing but put Apple on the same level as Dell. Is that the type of platform that you want to be developing for?

If you develop software for the Apple platform, the best thing you can do as an "Apple soldier" is to continue to develop for Apple and make sure that you continue to give Apple your support.

In the end, the best machine will have the majority of the market share. In many of the offices I visit, I hear people talking about Apple who six months ago thought Apple had gone out of business 10 years ago. It may take time, but the "hole" is not getting any deeper, the products are only getting better, and before long even the most diehard PC douchebag will realize that beginners use PC's, pro's use Apple.

Now back to your post, soldier.

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macs the best

I have been a mac user for years - I still have a LC that works. A couple of years ago I decided to return to school and attend a university where every student gets their own laptop - IBM Thinkpad. I brought my iMac.

I haved both mac and pc and will always pick mac. A fw friends droped by and saw my iMac and were amaze what an awesome machine it is. Many had never used a mac and a couple plan on getting one once they finish school. Though the school is pc-oriented, with only 2 mac labs, the labs are blocked because people like the imacs and powermacs better.

Now the price is gone down I plan on upgrading my Imac to a new imac.

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oh, and by the way

personalized plates are g**.

You should change them to "MAC f**"

bye bye now.

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RE: CareLESS

f*** you

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now maybe it makes sense

I was wondering why Apple reverted back to a single 1GHz processor for the low-end pro Mac. That left quite a performance difference between low-end and midrange. But now it makes some sense...who would pay &1800 for a 1GHz iMac when they could get a dual 1GHz tower for $1500?

Even so, I would much rather pay another $200, buy a 3rd party LCD for $400, and have a dual 1.25GHz with all the expansion and better graphics card (the 17" iMac really should have a Radeon 9000, btw).

I honestly don't know where the value is for the iMacs. The style doesn't really outweigh the performance hits and/or the price. Obviously, Joe Consumer can't see the value, either. Apple needs to do something bold!

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For the know it all

MAC = Media Access Control

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Juvenile

Calling people g** is an incredibly juvenile tactic, used when you have nothing else to say/contribute - especially when you can't rebut a post on merit.

Guess I was expecting too much to have intelligent discourse in the MacNN forums.

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Can never win

Forever the existence of whining prima-donnas, Apple shall forever be criticized for never getting it right.
It lowers prices..not good enough; it moves to DDR..not good enough; it adds the latest technology..not good enough; S.Drives for all...we now want cd-rw only; more than decent display for a consumer model..too small thus not good enough. Face it folks, you'll never be happy and if that blue-moon day does come in the form of the *perfect* model, I'll bet you still won't make the purchase.

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Circus Act

Look guys, Apple has a superior product. Because of this, they could care less what we think of the price/performance ratio. They have learned over the last twenty years that people will pay way to much for their hardware. They have always been more expensive/less compatible. That is the ONLY reason they are not dominant in the market. They currently are in the business of slapping the education market in the face with an astounding lack of concern for future purchases. The installed base is eroding because HYPE does not equal value and service. Steve Jobs hasn't produced anything that qualifies as "Insanely Great" since 1996. Reality is that a dual Ghz G4 aint really that much faster than a 450 Mhz running photoshop! Need I mention that OSX is kinda slow and how many more times do we have to get boned for $129 before this thing gets outta beta? Hmm, how can we sell new Macs? Build an OS that is so processor heavy no legacy machine can run it! Why is it so heavy? Goop in the GUI. How about making all new software only run on the most recent machines?? No new Macs will boot under OS9 soon. Guess we'll have to buy all new software, with no real useable new features. Gee maybe Photoshop 8 will actually be optimised for OSX and multiprocessing. Meanwhile that second processor is sleeping unless we're using Final Cut Pro.

Apple will sell more Macs when they produce something worth buying. Does anybody really believe they don't have truly, significantly faster machines in the pipeline that they could release today? Of course they do, but they will get twitchy little weasels to pony up a couple of grand for a machine that they can only imagine is actually faster.

Want to stop crushing the faithful Apple? Stop mind******* everyone by offering products/services as free added bonuses for buying your hardware, and then deciding, oh well guys, I guess now you'll have to pay for that. You know who else does the same thing? The corner crack dealer.

Guys, Steve Jobs is a circus act. Don't believe the hype. Watch what he does, not what he says. Remember, he's the one who goes home a billionaire...

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get what you pay for...

let's see - fort that bargain basement prices you want an apple with a crippled processor that performs like a celeron? you're alone. you want to hassle with the things that won't work on a $499 wintel box? good luck. you want to go digging for the app$ that get close to what itunes, imovie, idvd and iphoto do? great. i'd rather have them in the box working as advertised rather than heading over to gnutella to swipe what i wash i had paid for...
you want a great gaming platform? get a ps2. oh, sorry - the games aren't free/stealable.
sheesh.

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Re: Circus Act

You had me on "Apple has a superior product", but then you said the rest of that garbage, so I'll have to set ya straight.

"They have learned over the last twenty years that people will pay way to much for their hardware." - Uh... prices have genenrally been going down, performance up. I don't think they believe that people will overpay.

"They have always been more expensive/less compatible" - ok, this is c***. As I said, Apple has been getting cheaper. And they have been getting more and more compatible. Since OS X, they have gotten an order of magnitude more compatible.

"Reality is that a dual Ghz G4 aint really that much faster than a 450 Mhz running photoshop" - ok, this is plain BS. I just went from a TiBook 400 to a TiBook 1Ghz and noticed a HUGE difference. My old work place had Dual 450s and they always beat the c*** outta my TiBook 400 in Photoshop. So don't tell me that a Dual 1Ghz won't kill a 450.

"Need I mention that OSX is kinda slow and how many more times do we have to get boned for $129 before this thing gets outta beta?" - OS X is sometimes slower than OS 9 was, but on average it's faster by far. And I'm tired of the morons who complain about Jaguar being a paid update. Maybe Apple should have just called it 10.5 and gotten it into all of your heads that it was a huge update that deserved to be paid for. And I'll admit that 10.0 was pretty "beta"ish, but no one forced you to buy it. In fact Apple didn't even recommend it. 10.1 was pretty solid, if not incredibly fast.

"No new Macs will boot under OS9 soon" - no new macs boot OS 9 NOW. And what's the big deal, no Macs built after 8.5 could run pre 8.5, or after 8.6 could run pre 8.6, and so on. Apple has always done this, stop complaining and get a life.

"Meanwhile that second processor is sleeping unless we're using Final Cut Pro. " - that 2nd processor is never sleeping on OS X, that's what Symmetric Multiprocessing means. It's running programs so your Mac is faster.

"Does anybody really believe they don't have truly, significantly faster machines in the pipeline that they could release today?" - why yes, yes I do. Apple needs market share TODAY not tommorow, not in 3 years. And the biggest misconception about the platform is that it's slow because we aren't running 3Ghz processors. If Apple had 3Ghz CPUs, then 1) Moto or IBM would be selling them and 2) Apple would be using them. They aren't because they don't have them. Best hope is for 2Ghz in the 2nd half of the year when IBM ships the PPC970. Yes Apple probably has machines with the PPC970 in a lab somewhere, but they don't have near enough chips to release them.

"Stop mind******* everyone by offering products/services as free added bonuses for buying your hardware, and then deciding, oh well guys, I guess now you'll have to pay for that. " - Making .Ma

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Re: Circus Act (con't)

"Stop mind******* everyone by offering products/services as free added bonuses for buying your hardware, and then deciding, oh well guys, I guess now you'll have to pay for that. " - Making .Mac a pay service good PR? No. Good business? Yes. Services cost $$$, and the more services, the more $$$. Apple decided that it couldn't foot the bill anymore. Not many people can. If Apple made money like M$ did, then .Mac would have probably been free forever, but they don't, so it wasn't.

All of these comments are old, come up with something new.

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Re: Juvenile

Ummm, the only part of that post being rebutted was the personalized plates part.

They ARE g**, and that comment has alot of merit.

Another aspect of forums, which you obviously have yet to grasp, is that debate is carried on many levels, not just those that you consider to be valid.

If you are interested in laying out the rules, perhaps a forum on parenting would be more your speed. I can guarantee that no one here will take a turn in the "time-out chair" simply because your tender sensibilities were offended. chump.

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Same old, same old

Still overpriced and underpowered. Releasing these slightly modified models is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

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I hope this ends all...

Compaq D315 Microtower with Linux Base $762.00
Compaq D315 Microtower with Linux 286955-LIN
AMD Athlon XP 2600+ (2.13GHz) 289289-B28
nVidia nForce 220 chipset with 266MHz FSB 201512-315
80GB Ultra ATA 100 (7200rpm) 279368-B21
512MB PC2100 (266MHz) DDR 266270-300
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX200 64MB with DVI-I 280707-B21
1.44 MB Floppy Disk Drive Included
48X Max CD-ROM Drive 293161-B21
Integrated SoundMax III audio with premium internal speaker Included
Mandrake Linux 8.2 Light 303781-B21
Compaq PS/2 Scroll Mouse 231947-B21
Compaq PS/2 Easy Access Internet Keyboard 265977-001
Accton 10/100 PCI network card 289916-B21
2 audio, 2 USB front ports for added convenience 263721-B21

TFT1701 17" LCD
The Compaq TFT1701 Monitor delivers native SXGA resolution, superb ergonomics, and business-class quality in a 17" flat panel monitor at a highly competitive price. This special combination of economy, quality, and value makes it the ideal CRT replacement for large corporate customers, and the perfect desktop display solution for growing businesses and the government sector. With superior brightness, flicker-free performance, low power consumption, and improved aesthetics, and this model offers 292847-003 $426.00 $426.00

Subtotal: $1,188.00

This system will kick the c*** out of the fastest Mac out there. I have both, this system at work, a P4 2.66 at home and a Dual 1.25Ghz at home. (Insurance claim) and I have tested the speed with on simple application. It's called RC5-72. Does nothing but raw FP operations (G4s strong area) and my Athlon right now is pulling 5,912,086 and the P4 pulls 3,934,045 and the G4 pulls a whopping 2,874,035! wow Apple! what performance! Really, all the people that are quoting prices are correct. The PC's are just cheaper. There used to be a time in the early 90's that the macs were "just as cheap" (when configured with same c***) but not true any more. As far as XP dooing as much as X well they both have there pluses, I do like iMovie and iDVD. I have tried to find the PC equivilent but I have searched in vain. However, if I need to connect to my work network I would rather use my PC and If I am surfing or emailing I like to use my PC, it feels much faster, even faster than our precious Safari. Well so much for help.

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2button mouse buy?

why should i have buy a 2 button mouse? the point is the advantages of it are far greater than the "simplicity" argument. i know how to use a f&^%kin mouse and scroll bars a@$%$holes, i don't want to and don't know why i MUST buy another mouse to be as functional as 97% of the rest of the world. i also know how to buy another mouse sh&^%heads but your heads are so far up your little behinds that all you can argue is "whine whine whine".

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Dell Prices

I just went online and priced a Dell 2350. It started at $699, but by the time you upgraded to a LCD, SuperDrive, Optical mouse, Movie and Picture Software it will cost around $1,550 give or take $50. The delta in price is worth it to me for the Apple, but I would like to see a small headless Mac to leverage my older monitors.

Price away way yourself at www.dell.com

I am sure some will config a system for $1200 and say I am all wet, but to me the divide in price is not that deep spec for spec.

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Re: Same old, same old

Rating: -10, Inflammatory
Recomendation : Ignore

bye bye now.

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oohhh SPEED!

there's not a harley rider in the world that would switch to a japanese bike because of speed and price (none that i know of anyway). there's something about a harley... there's something about a mac... so go away and count your little mhz in silence.

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Confused?

" BTW, many PC users who get to use my mac always ask where the left button is on my mouse."

PC users must not know their left from their right.

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RC5-72

The comparison with RC5-72 is a little unfair. right now the code for that is not Altivec optimised.

Under RC5-64 the code was Altivec optimised. My Dual G4 450 Mhz ran 3.9 MegaKeys/sec on each processor - 7.8 MKeys/sec for the machine. In terms of keys/sec/clock cycle the G4 was waaaaaaaaay ahead of anything else, and ahead of all but the many processor machines over all.

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for those who complain

do you guys realize that the iMacs still sell regardless of Apple not implementing your suggestions? That has got to mean that Apple is pleasing a lot of people, correct?

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idiots

the one button mouse is for idiots that don't have the skills needed to use a 2 button mouse. 1 button mice are for people who don't know left from right as would be needed to use a 2 button mouse. Plain and simple. Mac is made plain and simple for the pain and simpletons...

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Analog LCDs

Most of these low prices you see for LCD monitors are for ANALOG monitors. Digital LCD monitors run about the same price as Apple's.

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re: $499 PC

To all the trolls who claim that $499 is all they can afford for a PC:

You don't need Apple to solve this problem for you. In fact, you don't really need a computer at all. You need a calculator, a p*** mag, a Palm Pilot and a Playstation.

If $499 is the limit of your budget for a computer, what you need more than an Apple is A JOB at someplace besides Pizza Hut. You need to move out from your parents' basement and get out in the real world.

A $499 computer is a POS no matter who you buy it from. But a $1500 or $1700 computer should not be hard for anyone who has a real job to swing (most people spend more than that every year on things like cable, or their pets, or even just cigarettes! That $1700 computer will last you a few years, but the $499 one won't.

The PC trolls' mammas never taught them the difference between "lowest price" and "best value." And believe you me, that ignorance shows up in a lot of other areas besides computer choices, if you get my drift.

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RE: idiots

Good call ! At least you don't react like the Mac n**** who won't stand criticism.

"i also know how to buy another mouse sh&^%heads but your heads are so far up your little behinds that all you can argue is "whine whine whine"." Thanks for saying this. I'd never have figured it out by myself. You must be a genius for coming up with such great ideas. One thing troubles me though. Do you have to always insult people and use the "whine" word to make your point? ' Cause if you f$cking do, all the sh�@heads here could do just like you and, f�$�, �" �('" as well �%`#��*`, right !

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Price a USEFUL Dell

I've been specing computers for organizations for years and one thing I've discovered. I cannot spec a USEFUL Dell for less than $2500. I'm using these computers in an Architectural Firm that uses real software. AutoCAD requires a lot more power than what folks that play games would ever need. Usually at least 512 MB RAM and nothing smaller than a 19" monitor. I need a better graphics cards than game computers because a 3D accelerator does nothing for AutoCAD. I recently did a price comparison between the top models of Dell and Apple. I found that the difference was marginal, but I got more extras for my money on the side of Apple. A loaded Dell that would do what we need was $3299, and a Loaded Mac (with twice as much RAM, larger hard disk, AND 23" Cinema HD display was only $150 more.) But I also get a far superior OS, and a computer than I can count on to get at least 4 good years of use out of it. I'm already scrapping Dells that are a little over 2 years old.

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re: 2button mouse buy?

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why should i have buy a 2 button mouse? the point is the advantages of it are far greater than the "simplicity" argument. i know how to use a f&^%kin mouse and scroll bars a@$%$holes, i don't want to and don't know why i MUST buy another mouse to be as functional as 97% of the rest of the world. i also know how to buy another mouse sh&^%heads but your heads are so far up your little behinds that all you can argue is "whine whine whine".[quote]

Ahem, you DON'T have to buy a 2 button mouse. Your decision. You may also choose to learn the various keyboard shortcuts, or learn to use [CTL] click with a one button mouse. All of these work fine.

The advantages of a two button mouse may outweigh the 'simplicity' arguement [for you]. That's fine. Other (computer phobic) users may choose simplicity. That's fine too.. Quit dictating how *everyone* should be using a computer the same way *you* do.. that's fairly arrogant of you.

Notice I didn't use the so called 'whine whine whine' defense. I'm simply pointing out that your argument is flawed. You might also note that speaking (typing) with the control of a 5 year old will get you an appropriate response (ie. whine whine whine)

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PC's vs Macs

I work part-time at a small one person owner PC Store. The absolute cheapest PC we ever sell is at least $900+. Just yesterday a buyer from Dec came in complaining that his "new" PC was slow. He made us use his olds parts..hard drive, dvd drive, etc. Then went with a Duron 1.3 Ghz with SDRAM and complained. He also fried the motherboard because he was an idiot but that is besides the point. The owner was too nice, upgraded him to a new motherboard, 256 DDR Ram, 128 mb video card and an Athlon XP 1900 for $350. The man was in the store for over 2 hours just crying poor and I was ready to slap him silly.

I take ribbing all of the time because I also use a Mac and love it more than my PC. I only have the PC for my Network Admin classes or I would not touch the damn thing if I had my way. Watch Microsoft go to h*** when I do finish :)

The moral of the story, you get what you pay for. Macs are just better....I still use my upgraded Rev A iMac more than my PC. It may not be as fast as my PC at most things but it is just better at what it does.

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stop the PC vs Mac debate

please people, what are you really looking to solve? is someone going to enter the forum and annouce which platform is right and which is wrong. anyways, about the imac upgrades ... we waited a year for what now? c'mon apple -- i like that they say the "spring line" indicating something new is coming again and not in jan of 04.

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Two Button Mice!

If Apple actually wants "Switchers" from the Windows world, they should at least offer something like an Intellimouse Optical (the handedness-neutral one) as a BTO option. Any newbie that's allergic to computers, fine, leave them with a single-button mouse. But for ANY previous windows user, not offering a multi-button scroll-wheel mouse instead of a single-button mouse is just asking that user to be frustrated with the experience.

Single-button mice are stupid. Some people need that. But the majority can handle more. Especially 'switchers' - they are used to multi-button mice! Don't take that away from them, OR make them pay extra for it. Just give buyers a choice: Simple-single-button or Experienced-multi-button?

Pretending multi-button mice don't exist is just one tiny example of head-in-the-sand thinking that keeps people from taking Apple's offerings more seriously.

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re: re: wake up

" usually people posing as MAC owners, usually call them Apple's.

If you people are going to pretend to be Mac users at least get it right: I love my MAC, or sure you can buy a MAC for x amount of dollars but you can get 2 dells for that."

Uhm... yeah, people posing as Mac owners also spell Mac with all capital letters. I am a Mac owner. But you don't see me going around pretending to own WINDOWS or drive a CAR, or work at a JOB. ;-)

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PCs cost less.

PCs cost less. You cannot argue that fact. All you can argue is the nebulous "experience" factor. Apple should lower their prices. You cannot argue that fact. There is no argument for having a premium price. The bigger issue here - the more important cause is: how can we get Mac users from the two extremes to the middle? It seems Mac users (or at least Mac-forum-posters) fall into two categories: the "How-dare-you-question-Apple" group, and the "Die, Apple, die" group. Whoa, folks. A little balance please.

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Re: two button mice

Problems with this:
1) Apple doesn't officially support the scroll-wheel, so some apps may not work with it correctly (h***, I have MS Apps on the PC that don't work with a scroll wheel).

2) If apple offered it, then people would complain they don't offer a 3/4/5/6 button mouse. Most people I know buy new mice because they don't like the feel of the ones that come with their PCs, or want extra functionality.

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Speed

Just did a quick Photoshop race.

450Mhz single processor G4 w/512MB RAM:

11 seconds

Dual 1Ghz G4 with 1GB RAM:

8 seconds

WHOOOEEEE! I'll be ever so much more creative in those three seconds. It sure was worth the $3500 it cost me to find out the difference!!!

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Scroll Wheel Mouse

I took the USB mouse and keyboard from my PS2 Linux kit and use it on my Rev. A iMac and it works beautifully. I don't even use the original keyboard or mouse. I have found most programs work just fine with the wheel mouse.

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$1400?

It is curious that nobody noticed that MacNN rounded $1299 to $1400 for 15" iMac.

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2 button mice

... are a bad idea. I would need to fundamentally alter my body mechanics to use a 2 button mouse with my PowerBook. Besides that, there is no elegant way to redesign the current mouse (where the mouse *is* the button) into a 2 button mouse. Using the fingers instead of the wrist will lead to tendonitis/repetitive stress/carpal tunnel problems. Introducing a 2 button mouse will lead to a tower of babel phenomenon and cause added challenges for tech support people. Programmers will spend time having their apps (unnecessarily) take advantage of the "new" feature, rather than enhancing speed, stability, and features (SSF). New software will lose compatability with even slightly older hardware. Stick with the "button mouse" we have and be happy about it.

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Scroll Wheel

" 1) Apple doesn't officially support the scroll-wheel, so some apps may not work with it correctly (h***, I have MS Apps on the PC that don't work with a scroll wheel). "

This is just flat out false. Mac OS X generates the events for a scroll wheel moving, some apps just may not capture and handle the event. The vast majority of them do. I cannot think of an app that *doesn't* handle the scroll wheel on OS X, though I'm sure there are a few. But to say that Apple "doesn't officially support" it is just wrong. See also CarbonEvents.h.

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re: PCs cost less

[quote] PCs cost less. You cannot argue that fact. All you can argue is the nebulous "experience" factor. Apple should lower their prices. You cannot argue that fact. There is no argument for having a premium price. [quote]

Sure there is, it's very simple. If your business model is based on primarily on quantity (Dell), then you can afford to have razor thin margins.. as you'll be selling so many you'll make a reasonable profit anyway.

Now, if your business model puts quality ahead of quantity (Apple) and you'd rather sell fewer, higher quality boxes then you can't afford the same profit margin as Dell. You must sell at a premium in order to keep the lights on.

Both business models work just fine depending on what the Company's goal is. If you can make 100 million in profit annually while selling 1/3 as many boxes as your competitor.. then what's the problem?

There will always be a demographic who will accept the 'good enough' boxes from folks like Dell, just as there will always be others willing to spend for something that's more refined.

Being one of those in the group wanting a more refined computing experience, I tire of hearing those from the other camp constantly telling me (or telling Apple) how we *have* to do something *their* way.. or the *right* way.. Piss off. I don't troll PC boards telling you what to do, do I? You know, for being a 'dying' company, or for having such insignificant market share.. you trolls certainly pay us a great deal of attention.. hrmm..

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Re: Speed

" WHOOOEEEE! I'll be ever so much more creative in those three seconds"

well what the h*** kind of test did you do? obviously something simple, which either computer can handle with ease. why don't you try a real test - like taking a 8.5 x 11, 600 dpi image and converting it from rgb to cmyk? or rotating that same image 1 degree? or how about a 720 x 540 pixel document with 100 layers and try linking them all and doing a transformation to them all at once. then tell us how much faster the dual gig is.

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Re: Speed

I think the real question here is whether you creative. Judging by your limp-d*** test and uninformed opinion, I highly doubt it.

I know. How about you keep your job as a garbageman and beat it. punk.

bye bye now.

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Multi-button mice (more)

I used to use a single-button mouse (Mac user since 1986). I had(G3)/have(G4) a powerbook. I resisted it for a long time. When I finally 'switched', It took me about 2 weeks to get used to it. I think the scroll wheel is one of the best innovations in computers since the mouse itself. The only OSX application I use that doesn't support it is FileMaker.

Now I routinely replace single-button mice with multi-button, scroll-wheel mice in my almost-all-mac organization. The users love them - especially the ones that are more familiar with Windows computers before they come to work here. Users tell me that those multi-button, scroll-wheel mice make their work faster and easier.

The fact remains that if Apple is serious about wooing Windows users, they need to offer the same kind of mouse that Windows users are used to: 2 buttons at least, and preferrably a scroll wheel too. Like I said before, just make it a BTO option - not even the default. Just at least allow people who know the difference to pick a more functional mouse for the same price without having to buy another mouse somewhere else.

As for the useability of a multi-button mouse: why not take the 'experience upgrade' challenge? Get a good 4-button, scroll-wheel mouse (I use the Microsoft Intellimouse Optical) and give yourself 2 weeks to get used to it. I did, and I'll never go back. Especially with OSX, it makes the control and useage of the computer easier, better, and faster.

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Simple-button mice...

Apple offers all sorts of 'Build to Order' options. Why not a few mouse choices too? If Steve would only announce that the Apple Online store is offering multi-button and scroll-wheel mouse options at the next MacWorld, he'd probably get a standing ovation.

Everyone that knows better should start calling them "Simple-Button" mice.

Simple-button are nice for those that NEED one, but the vast majority of computer users can adapt to a better, more efficient way of interacting with their computers.

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RC5-72

"The comparison with RC5-72 is a little unfair. right now the code for that is not Altivec optimised.

Under RC5-64 the code was Altivec optimised. My Dual G4 450 Mhz ran 3.9 MegaKeys/sec on each processor - 7.8 MKeys/sec for the machine. In terms of keys/sec/clock cycle the G4 was waaaaaaaaay ahead of anything else, and ahead of all but the many processor machines over all."

I think that the RC5-72 client right now is MORE than fair. As it sit right now the client does nothing special on any of the processors that I have. The AMD chip is just raw Mhz and the Pentium is Raw Mhz and the G4 is Raw Mhz (x2). SO we haven't thrown in the Velocity Chip on the Mac yet, and we have not thrown in Hyperthreading on the Pentium either and the poor little AMD has now special "processor" to do any of its work! So all things being equal the AMD still kicks the stuff out of all the processors! Incidentily AMD makes and Dual Processor version of the Athlon. It should more than trownce the Dual G4 even with ALtevec turned on under RC5-72.... :) just something to remember when we talk about Horsepower and OS. The PCs really aren't that bad, I still will not give up my Mac (correction, my OS X.) I would give up my Mac Hardware but not the OS.

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Hey, "2/4/03, 5:23 pm ES

The "2/4/03, 5:23 pm EST" person brings up a good point...

Opinions are nearly worthless. Yes, that's right: nearly worthless. What does have value, however, are facts. But there are rules. The facts have to be real; not made up.

Facts often take the form of numbers - which several people here have shared. Sure there are wild opinions (as most opinions are) for both sides of the issue. But do not let the ravings of the "How-dare-you-question-Apple" folks or the "Die, Apple, die" folks distract you from the facts. And unless you base your opinion on real facts (numbers, quantifiable data) your opinion is worthless. Sure, keep sharing your opinion, but try to base it on fact.

And one more thing... do not share your opinions about other people, even woodland creatures know that. Your gutless, spineless, brainless, knee-jerk labeling of me as a troll is, well, reread this sentence. The stories of my passion for Apple would fill you alternately with awe and shame. Apple makes many, many curious/bad moves, and here comes the data: for almost twenty years they have had a consistantly superior product, yet for almost twenty years their market share has decreased. Yeah, it's OK to question Apple.

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MS Explorer mouse

Been using my explorer mouse for several years now on OS 9 and now OSX with no problems.....has 4 user programable buttons plus the scrollwheel doubles as a button....why would I wanna spend time complaining if I have a setup better than most and it fits all my needs?

Spiritman :)

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today

At least the iMacs arrived today. MOSR had leaked "breaking news" that claimed release date at another 6-8 weeks.

Of course, there's no new update since then, as usual.

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Re: RC5-72

What no one seems to want to mention on this so-called test is that the whole project, software, contest, etc, are a complete waste of time and effort. "Look! After 6 months, we used 50,000 computers to crack a pointless code!" Great, what does that mean? "Its time to crack an 82-byte key!". Why don't you put your computers to some usefulness...

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One Button Mouse

I guess I'm in the minority. I PREFER the one-button mouse. It's more comfortable to use and just easier to work with. If I want a contextual menu, Ctrl-Click is just as easy as right-click.

I use a 2-button mouse on a PC at work and find it to be uncomfortable for my fingers and hand, and just don't find the right button very useful (find myself using the keyboard more). If I cared to go to the expense, I'd replace the 2-button at work with a one-button (of course, Windows might not work well with that).

Scroll wheels do the same thing - after a few minutes, my hand cramps up from using it. I bought a Griffin PowerMate for my mac, and use that for scrolling - and love it - if you miss a scroll wheel - I highly recommend it.

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MOSR

"Yesterday's news today -- provided our server isn't down -- and would you please give us some money!"

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$499 PC

" So I can't understand why Apple can't sell a good machine under 1000 bucks ."

Cause most intellegent won't waste their hard earned money a "Piece O'c***".

Even if i was going to buy a PC wouldn't get anything under about the $1,000-1,200 price point. Seen it time after time, people who buy those cheap pc might just as well set fire to their $$$$.

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Mouse again

If you find it too complicated to use a double-button mouse, I can't imagine how hard it must be to use a keyboard. Unless you do all the typing using the keyboard accessory and copy-cut-paste.

If you had a double-button scroll mouse, nothing would prevent you from keeping using the arrows and the control-clic methods, yet it wouldn't hurt people who want to use a modern mouse. I bet most people who don't want to see Apple come up with a two-button mouse and complain about it have never actually used one. Time to evolve, people.

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USB 2 ??

Why not USB 2 ?
Is it possible to have an FW/USB 2 converter ?

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Bought too soon!

Boy... it's a good thing I bougt my 17" 800 Mhz iMac last month for $1999. For a while there I was worried I might get screwed and buy the newer faster/better 17"iMac for $200 cheaper. (sarcasm) Bitter? um.... yes.

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