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Mac OS 9.1 details available, due Tuesday

updated 07:48 am EST, Thu January 4, 2001

As hinted by Apple's Tech Info Library, Mac OS 9.1 is due next Tuesday with a new nanokernel, new process manager, FireWire 2.7, a new version of OpenGL, a Mac OS-X compatible startup disk control panel, and access to iTools via Apple's navigation services, according to the PowerBook Zone. It is reportedly not (yet) fully compatible with Mac OS X, but will be when the final version of Mac OS X ships in a few months. According to the report, Mac OS 9.1 will be available Tuesday as a 72MB download, a free upgrade on CD ($20 shipping charge), a $100 retail CD version that includes the full version of Mac OS 9.1, and will be bundled with the Apple Pro Keyboard to enable the volume and eject buttons to function on older Macs. (For more OS 9.1 information, see AppleInsider)

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OS 9.1

Does your notice imply that the download version won't contain all the same software as the CD? Will the CD contain a full version of OS9, then the updater for 9 to 9.1 (like the OS 8.6 CD? A little more detail would be appreciated,, but I thank you for the update, MacNN.

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CD vs D/Load

The D/load (or $20.00 CD) wil be an updater for systems already running OS9 or 9.0.4. The $100.00 CD will be a full installer that does not rely on OS9 already being installed.

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free with keyboard?

You say in the article that a full version of 9.1 will be bundled with the pro keyboards.

So, who the h*** is gonna buy the shrinkwrapped 9.1 for $100?
The pro keyboard is only $59!!!!

If it's true, then Apple are gonna shift an awfull lot of keyboards.

I guess it's just another day in the wacky world of Apple sales.

Alex..
UK based Mac guy.

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Answer

The released version will probably be very close, if not identical to the golden master released by Apple weeks ago. The CD will contain the installer, plus all the other "goodies" like Internet Explorer, Acrobat Reader, and all that stuff.

A word of caution -- if you have Toast, I would make sure to burn a system bootable CD of 9.1 after you update from 9.0.4. I tried starting up a Mac running 9.1 using a 9.0.4. system disc and it didn't work. Started up fine with 9.1. Word to the wise.

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Free with keyboard? No.

They're bundling the updater version, not the full version. Took me a minute to figure that out too, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to bundle the full, would it?

Rufo

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Re: Answer

I tried starting up a Mac running 9.1 using a 9.0.4. system disc and it didn't work.

Well, I tried it with my MacOS 9.0 US-CD, and it worked without problems. It's an old world machine, maybe that matters.

This update isn't really something revolutionizing. If you want something that really works, use MacOS X PB.

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QuickTime 5 included?

Is QuickTime 5.0 included with MacOS 9.1?

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Re: QT5

I'm going to venture to say that QT5 will not be bundled. It seems that the release cycles for the OS and QT have been separated of late. The QT team has their own group of 100 ppl at Apple afterall...

[ just my 2� ]

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MacOS 9.1

Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but there us a new folder under apple's ftp site called New System, probably where 9.1 will be posted.

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/New_System/

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Update CD 0w/$59 Keyboard

Quote from the PowerBookZone site:
The upgrade also will ship with the pro keyboard, as 9.1 will enable the volume and eject buttons on that keyboard for older USB Macs. Note that this isn't a free keyboard with purchase of the upgrade, it's a free upgrade with purchase of the keyboard.

So, it seems that if you want the upgrade CD, you can shell out another $40 and get the Pro keyboard bundled with the update if you like.

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desktops

One thing thats less than clear from the technote is in relation to each user having their own desktop folder for docs and such. However whats the solution for setting up a mac that has (to start with) the same icons for everyone. making copies of alises and such is a less then good solution.

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all the whining paid off

Imagine the whining if there was no "free downloadable version"...
well, there's gonna be a free download version now :P~

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Yeah 72MB over a modem!

Can't wait to download this sucker over my 56K modem. Sure wish I had my DSL installed :-(

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Better than OS X PB....

....if you use peripherals like CD-RW, MP3 players, MIDI interfaces and many USB printers.

OS 9.1 will allow you to use these without problems. OS X PB currently lacks drivers for many of these kinds of peripherals, thus limiting what you can do with peripherals. This may not matter to everybody, but it's a concern for now,

Also notable is the current lack of support in the OS X PB for virtually all third-party PCI and AGP graphics cards. Again, not necessarily a problem for everyone.

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Network control panel?

Anyone know if Remote Access, TCP/IP and the Modem control panels have morphed into the one Network control panel. I've seen screen shots of this in early builds of 9.1 but no mention of it in the GM.

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Update CDs for pro kb?

Anyone know if Apple intends to ship update CDs to prior purchasers of the Apple Pro Keyboard? I bought mine in October after being notified that a software update would be required to get the media keys to work on my G4.

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Upgrade?

Will this "free" upgrade update OS 8.6 to 9.1?

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Re: Upgrade?

Since the upgrade from 8.6 to 9 is not free. I would venture to guess that 8.6 to 9.1 will not be either.

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Difference of OS9 and 9.1

9.1 has a much faster response. 8.6 wasn't bad and 9 was pretty sluggish, but 9.1 is pretty quick on a G3 300. I wonder if this will be like the 8.6 update, where if you up just updated 8.5 to 8.6 you didn't get as many of the core OS features as installing a Fresh OS8.6. I installed a fresh 9.1 instead of an update to 9.1. I wonder if there may be a difference. It's definitely worth an upgrade tho, just to have a quicker System ... apps launch faster and so forth.

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StuffIt Expander

Anyone know what version of StuffIt Expander will be included with the full retail 9.1 CD?

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$20. to ship a CD?

Does that come with a $15. rebate?

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c'mon

If you don't want to pay for the convenience of Apple sending you a CD, download the update and burn one yourself. Problem solved.

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Idiots...

This forum is full of whiners. And does anyone expect a response to their questions from a qualified source? Who the heck knows the answers to most of the stupid questions posed here with any certainty? I don't think Phil Schiller lurks this site (and if he does, he sure isn't responding).

My point... you will all find out soon enough.

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OS 9.1

The one notable improvement in late releases of Fortissimo is that for the first time using Colorsync and the calibration tab of the Apple Monitors control panel works correctly with Photoshop.

To illustrate,

Using a machine running OS9/9.04 calibrate the screen using the calibration section from the Apple monitors control panel.
Turn advanced options on using the check box.

Then set the illuminant (white point) to either D6500 or D5000 the standards for US and European controlled lighting.

After saving the monitor profile (with a different name to preserve the original) open Photoshop. Create a new image with a white background and instead of white you will see yellow instead! In the case of D5000 virtually "Post-it Note" yellow.

With the version of Colorsync with 9.1 the white is displayed correctly! Which makes it a lot easier to "cut-out" items with high yellow content!

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Mac OS 9.1

I have the Mac OS 9.1 CD, I installed it in my G4/400, 9500 w/ a Newer Tech G3 upgrade card and a 8500/120 and it works great. I found no conflicts with any of my 3rd party Extensions, can you believe it! The CD contains the full version of OS9.1 and the updater. I hope for you guys the download version contains all the same software as the CD. Also I did not see QT5 in the CD.

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My Test of 9.1

I installed 9.1 onto an ibook w/ 160 MB of ram. I tested it for a few days, seems like a good upgrade. After I did that I installed OS X PB 1, and it worked just fine. I loaded the classic app, and was able to do everything that I normally do on any other Mac not running OS X.

Then I installed 9.1 on a PG G3 400 (Bronze KBD) and found one problem, but it really can't be apple's fault. I have an Airport at home, and to make the airport compatible with my Bronze Kbd laptop, I use a Wavelan wireless card (the same we find in the airport's). When this PCMCIA card is in, the computer started just fine, but when it wasn't, I had to turn off my Airport extensions. If I didn't turn these off, the computer would freeze at start up. There is no other software installed for this card. So clearly it is not an apple issue, just me trying to make a Mac do something that it really wasn't supposed to do... again.

Now regarding the 9.1 CD, I have the Golden Master image file, there is only the installer, no upgrades or anything like that, still comes with the same annoying extra files that it installs.

There is no difference with the network settings, all TCP and Remote access stuff is the same, the two differences are the General Control's control panel, and the Start Up Disk control panel. The biggest difference is that you now have a "Window" menu between the View and the Special menu. Other then that... nothing else major about the system in looks. I have been running it for about 3 weeks now and it is great, Longest I have gone is 9 days with out a re-start.

-IBMKillr

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OS 9.0.4 (italian)

I would like to know whether I will be able to intall the new OS 9.1 (English-USA) on my iMac SE-500-Summer 200 model acquired in Italy, and with OS 9.0.4 (Italian). Thanks for your help.

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OS 9.0.4 (italian)

I would like to know whether I will be able to intall the new OS 9.1 (English-USA) on my iMac SE-500-Summer 2000 model acquired in Italy, and with OS 9.0.4 (Italian). Thanks for your help.

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Re: OS 9.0.4. (italian)

I would like to know whether I will be able to intall the new OS 9.1 (English-USA) on my iMac SE-500-Summer 2000 model acquired in Italy, and with OS 9.0.4 (Italian). Thanks for your help.

Not likely. Apple usually ships a US English version, then international versions a bit later. We'll see in a few days.

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wrong again

my interpretation is that the cd will be bundled, for an additional 100$, with the 59$ keyboard.

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Network CP and Stuffit

They have seperated the Modem, Remote Access, and TCP/IP control panels again. In the earlier Beta versions, they have them morphed into one, but apparently that was a bad idea to someone at Apple.

I'd venture to say Stuffit 6.0 would ship, since it's the latest... but it could be 5.5 just because the earlier betas have it.

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Network CP and Stuffit

They have seperated the Modem, Remote Access, and TCP/IP control panels again. In the earlier Beta versions, they have them morphed into one, but apparently that was a bad idea to someone at Apple.

I'd venture to say Stuffit 6.0 would ship, since it's the latest... but it could be 5.5 just because the earlier betas have it.

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32-bit icon bug fixed?

Has this been fixed in 9.1?

http://www.macfixit.com/ultimate/Forum14/HTML/000024.html

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What is the Ethernet Bug?

I am curious if I should install if there is a bug with the Ethernet Driver

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Re: 32-bit icon bug

Don't get your hopes up. This appeared in 8.5 with the debut of 32-bit icons, and if Apple didn't fix it with the huge delay before 9, it's not too likely that 9.1 will be any improvement.

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Re: 32-bit icon bug

Don't get your hopes up. This appeared in 8.5 with the debut of 32-bit icons, and if Apple didn't fix it with the huge delay before 9, it's not too likely that 9.1 will be any improvement.

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Where?

Where are all these people getting 9.1? It seems like everybody and his uncle has a copy now. Do you have to be an ADC member? Do you have to buy a Select/Premier membership? Do you have to contact some specific person at Apple? Do you have to be a special person with strings to pull? Do you have to be an employee? WHAT IS IT??????

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9+update or 9.1 full?

Just wondering - if I do a clean install of 9, then immediately install the 9.1 updater, would it result in a system different than installing 9.1 full by itself?

Logically, there shouldn't be a difference, but I'm not a 9.1 beta tester.

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Note that it *is*...

...the full 9.1 OS for $100, bundled with the Apple Pro Keyboard.

The upgrade CD is "free" but cost $20 Jobs, for the shipping.

I would buy a $100 OS (the standard price for the last several OSs to get a free Apple Pro Keyboard. That drops the price of a full OS 9.1 CD to about $40.

Not a bad deal.

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I don't want a keyboard

um... I have a powerbook. what the h*** am I going to do with a pro keyboard? Maybe duct tape it to the screen? :(

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works fine for me

mac os 9.1 works fine for me... less buggy than OS9... quicktime 5 is not bundled with OS9.1, well at least the GM version that was shipped to me...

that window menu is really handy, and some control panels have been refined such as General Control Panel

one thing that i think is a good idea, moving all the programs into one called Applications (Mac OS 9), so it will be easier to distiguish between Mac OS X applications and OS9.

OS9.1 rocks and is rock solid, even the prerelease version. Nice job guys.

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or...

you could be a b**** and complain like most Macusers do.

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Re: 32-bit icon bug

The 32-bit icon bug did not appear in Mac OS 8.5 you idiot. The _bug_ appeared in Mac OS 9. Do you even know WTF the original question was asking? Gawd some people!

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QT5

QT hasn't been included in Apple's free downloadable system updates (8.1, 8.6...) for some time now. The reason is that they each have to pass their own quality and compability standards at Apple. A good thing, IMO: Imagine the bandwidth demand on Apple's servers if QT was in the update as well.

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