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NewsFactor: Jaguar a hit, Apple still sinking

updated 03:20 pm EDT, Wed August 28, 2002

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Despite the technical and aesthetic milestones achieved with its new "Jaguar" OS, Apple faces an "uphill battle" in recuperating lost market share, explains a NewsFactor columnist. Citing comments by both the Giga Information Group and IDC firms, the article concludes that Apple has made many "strategic errors," which have only been compounded by the "overwhelming dominance" of Microsoft Windows. One glaring strategic fault, according to the report, is that Apple operating systems lock buyers in to Apple hardware, whereas Microsoft Windows works on countless brands.

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So that's it?

It's either world domination or nothing? Man, if it weren't for Apple computers would be so *boring*. At least they force everyone else to at least try something, anything. Of course, people still think floppies are the way to go. When will they learn?

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Market share

Apple won't get back its 16% market share (which dates back to 1994). Wow! However, isn't a puny 4% share of a much larger market better than 16% of a small market?

Oh, and the problem is hardware, they say. "Windows allows people to buy whatever hardware they want." Great, but you're still stuck with windows.

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Pay now, or pay later...

You may be locked into to Mac hardware, but if you go w/ M$ windoze, or thier other apps, you are pretty much locked into their software. Over the years, my experience has been that M$ apps work fine w/ other M$ apps, but try and use a third party app and good luck. Now, when you add in these costs, I'd rather pay a little more for the hardware and get the better package.

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M$

"Microsoft Windows works on countless brands"

Well, I'd say it DOESN'T work on countless brands. But that doesn't seem to matter, does it? ;-)

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Dumb

Just because I jam an engine in a soda can, doesn't make it a car. Same goes with computers. Look at the damn eMachines.. and all these great brands such as Tandy and Packard Bell... yeah they sure are around today. It's these same financial wizards bashing macs, that say the PC compatible world is the only way to go. Oh please.

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Hardware

One glaring strategic fault, according to the report, is that Apple operating systems lock buyers in to Apple hardware, whereas Microsoft Windows works on countless brands.

Shouldn't that sentence end with ", when you can get Windows to work." Hey, come on! These are the jokes, man.

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Some good points

I feel that the piece contained some interesting suggestions...Certainly OS X should be very cheap indeed, if not free...Mac and other value-added software and services should also be very cheap, if not free. Going from 16% to 4% in less than a decade does show major strategic errors. The OS X transition probably is hurting as well, as so many older (even slightly older, without AGP, who have been left out of the Extreme business) cannot run X with the speed they expect of 9, (surely there was a way to get a nicer looking GUI without such a performance hit? I recall even Display PostScript on the 68040 NeXT seemed snappier), and with the price/performance gap so massive now, they may well go WinTel when they upgrade. We cannot ignore the reality of the WinTel threat, which is still growing. We also need to be more critical of Apple, as if things dont change soon (POWER4, etc.) we will soon be in irrelevant Amigaland....

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Market share

. Going from 16% to 4% in less than a decade does show major strategic errors.

But that assumes (a) a static or stable market, and (b) how the statistics are determined.

The computer market took off in the mid to late 90s, esp. with the growth of the World Wide Web. But most important was that companies finally saw that computers on more than a few desks actually made sense (both financially and productivity-wise). But keep in mind as companies bought more computers, they got the same type they already had. Which was IBM PC clones (why did they have IBM, well, IBM was known as a business company, Apple was that fruity company. Nobody ever lost their job buying IBM, they used to say). So the business market goes IBM-compatible PC. And their not switching, mainly because of the costs to do so (all new hardware and software). Companies that used macs and switched to PCs usually did so because of some idiots decision that PCs were easier and cheaper to maintain, and, well, other companies use them. Plus, the IT heads became more powerful, and they just like computers they can control (and it doesn't hurt when MS and PC makers puts kickback money into their pockets).

My question would be, does Apple need a 16% marketshare? (OH, god, would that mean 4 times as many whiners on the MacNN boards???)

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Yeah. Sure.

"...Microsoft Windows works on countless brands."

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countless

One glaring strategic fault, according to the report, is that Apple operating systems lock buyers in to Apple hardware, whereas Microsoft Windows works on countless brands.

The only reason you would want a wide selection of hardware brands is for price competition or to switch to a more reliable brand. Well the price is a bit higher for Apple, but you get what you pay for. Apple makes hardware that works. (Minus the fact my Quicksilver forces me to use an iMic.)

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Strategic Error?

Since when is it a strategic error for a hardware company to lock customers into its hardware?

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How many...

...of those PCs in that 96% of the marketshare are in landfills? Since they just don't have the life span of Macs. And they need to remember that Apple is a hardware and software provider. 4% are computers running Mac OS. The other 96% is not a single hardware manufacturer. But many running Windows.

Compaq posted a 2 Billion dollar loss today after the merge with HP. Apple still is posting profit. Any company can continue to run as long as they are posting profit. Their marketshare can dwindle to .24%, but as long as they are making money they have no reason to shut down.

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countless mac-wanna-bes

"...Microsoft Windows works on countless brands" or rather, Microsoft Windows, immitator of the Macintosh interface, works on countless Macintosh-wanna-bes. They're doing poorly at it, but undoubtedly doing well at convincing the misinformed consumers that they are the innovators. On the other hand, it is all marketing, and I think it is up to Apple to take on a more aggressive developer and consumer marketing strategy.

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Since when does anyone give a flying toss what "NewsFactor" thinks?

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Silly PC Thinking

Didn't Apple sell the 4th most out of computer manufacturers? I remember reading that.

HP/Compaq #1
Dell a close #2
Gateway (I think) #3
and Apple #4
(it was 5th but then he HP merger happened)

So if we're talking PC HARDWARE companies... then it's a bit of a different story. Considering only Dell and Apple are making profits.

If Apple doubles its marketshare in the next 8 years it would be very happy I'm sure.

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'locked into the hardwar

so what if your locked in, if its better quality than the rest of the junk out there then im glad, i dont want to be able to go to best buy and get a cheap HP tower and run X.2 on it. theres a reason macOS is so great, and the hardware is part of it. i wonder why say Ford only offers their engines inside of a Ford car...

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What else is new?

No piece about Apple is complete unless it contains the following:
1. Apple's share is slipping
2. Apple is about to be come irrelevant
3. You wouldn't want a Mac because no one else owns one
4. Apple has made great strategic mistakes
5. If only Apple had licensed its OS...
5. There are few apps for the Mac
6. Apple can't work with Windows
7. Apple products are expensive
8. You will be stuck with Apple hardware
9. Apple's product line is great but it doesn't matter
10. All of the above

Funny thing is all of the above may be true and it still doesn't make Windows any better

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I'm Glad...

I for one am glad the Mac OS only works on their hardware. Can you imagine the tech support calls they'd get if they ported it over to Intel??? "I've got an Acer computer I found in a junkpile. I installed a Soyo motherboard and an AMD processor. I added a combination firewire/USB/SCSI card and an old S3 video card I had in the basement. I got my hard drive used on Ebay for $5. I'm dropping frames when importing DV into iMovie. What's wrong with your stinking operating system???"

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People Get Paid For This?

Whenever a slow news day occurs, the tech editors march out the tired and worn c*** displayed today. Change the date, change the author but it is still the same old c***. When you read the analyst quotes, they really sound stupid. Enderle of Giga is quoted as saying "If Apple insists on using its operating systems to sell hardware, ..., it probably would be better off bundling the OS with the hardware." What a MORON! When was the last time he bought a Mac without the OS installed? Jerks like this guy make it more difficult than it has to be to sell the product (I am an Apple Authorized Reseller).

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The naked truth

Please, please, please, everyone, any mac user, anybody who loves the mac, all mac fans (fans, not users like PC people) I beg you... read "Macintosh... The Naked Truth" by: Scott Kelby. I promise that you will love it. The book addresses all these topics and so much more.
and no, I am not Scott Kelby (although that would be funny) I just finished the book, and wow.... it was spectacular.
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Re: The naked truth

Why should I read it. Summarize the book. I don't have time to read books. I spend all of it reading MacNN forums.

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market share mirage

Today, I walked near the helpdesk and there was a desk filled with hundred copies of XP Home.

Since Windows NT is our official OS platform, NT is installed on every new computer, even if it comes preinstalled with XP Home.

It's a common practice in any large work place where licensing is not a matter (and it's a shame since it's a public organisation running with citizen money). In our case, MS is selling two copies of Windows for one single PC. And in a few months, all PCs will be upgraded to XP Pro... almost 18000 new licenses. And computers are replaced every 3 years...

The 96% market share is a mirage.

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Class Action lawsuit?

maybe share holders should start a class action lawsuit for publishing false information and hurting Apple's sales.

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Re: Re: The naked truth

Absolutely. Reading is overrated anyway.

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to thier credit...

Newsfactor did publish an excellent article on Jaguar.

Apple's Jaguar: This Cat Roars

http://www.NewsFactor.com/perl/story/19180.html

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Countless Brands?

Same $#!T, different toilet.

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My old idea

I think still would help

Apple releases an OS X Lite for x86 machines. Not nearly as slick and full featured as the true OSX, but capable of running Cocoa coded apps etc. People who wanted an alternitive to Windows but not willing to drop 2-3 times more money on the hardware, could buy this lite version of the OS, and once they see how much better than windows even the cut down version was, they would look much more seriously at buying a Mac next time they purchase a computer.

While I dont think Apple should sell X on x86 (it would kill them or at least most of the innovation) I think a GUI Darwin or 'lite" version of X could only help spread the adoption of Macs

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25 million and counting

there are 25 million Mac users. the Mac and Apple are not going anywhere. The sort of nonsense in this article has been repeated ad inifinitum ever since 1991. Apple is still innovating and producing fine products that WORK and that allow people to get the job done, with a bit of style thrown in. Isn't it odd how a "small" company with "only" 4% (and growing by the way) market share attracts so much attention, comparisons, and sometimes even stupidity, from the other 96&. I think it means there's exciting things happening at Apple. Always has been.

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25 million and counting

there are 25 million Mac users. the Mac and Apple are not going anywhere. The sort of nonsense in this article has been repeated ad inifinitum ever since 1991. Apple is still innovating and producing fine products that WORK and that allow people to get the job done, with a bit of style thrown in. Isn't it odd how a "small" company with "only" 4% (and growing by the way) market share attracts so much attention, comparisons, and sometimes even stupidity, from the other 96&. I think it means there's exciting things happening at Apple. Always has been.

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25 million and counting

there are 25 million Mac users. the Mac and Apple are not going anywhere. The sort of nonsense in this article has been repeated ad inifinitum ever since 1991. Apple is still innovating and producing fine products that WORK and that allow people to get the job done, with a bit of style thrown in. Isn't it odd how a "small" company with "only" 4% (and growing by the way) market share attracts so much attention, comparisons, and sometimes even stupidity, from the other 96%. I think it means there's exciting things happening at Apple. Always has been.

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25 million and counting

there are 25 million Mac users. the Mac and Apple are not going anywhere. The sort of nonsense in this article has been repeated ad inifinitum ever since 1991. Apple is still innovating and producing fine products that WORK and that allow people to get the job done, with a bit of style thrown in. Isn't it odd how a "small" company with "only" 4% (and growing by the way) market share attracts so much attention, comparisons, and sometimes even stupidity, from the other 96%. I think it means there's exciting things happening at Apple. Always has been.

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sorry for quad. post

browser didn't refresh....

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I wish ...

MacNN would quit referring to NFN articles. After the take-over fiasco, I find them ignorant and despicable. I'll not honor them with a site hit.

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locked in

Agreed, I would never switch just on account of being at the mercy of one company in what hardware choices I would have. You can't simply pop in a new cpu when one becomes available, instead, you have to buy a whole new box (sometimes a monitor if its an Imac), and thats just STUPID. Its fine for other people, but not me, I have talked many people out of apple systems because of this, and have had any of my friends who were mac users eventually switch over to the dark side! We can run unix, linux, windows, in the dark side, and thats good enough for me. Flame away.

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Apple will survive

Everybody needs to understand that Apple almost died. Its community was shrinking due to bad management and strategic mistakes. Steve Jobs returned with the mission of saving Apple. He succeeded!! Now Apple not only is making $$$ but is producing the best hardware/software. It is also leading in innovation (just look at the design awards Apple received over the last two years). It is now back into the scientific computing community and is also viewed as the computer to use with multimedia computing. With Jaguar it will further separate itself from the Windows OS. We can all be very thankful Apple is charging ahead and giving us a superior system. Windows users will come around and you will increasingly see Macs show up on Windows networks. I expect Apple to pick up market share going forward even though it is tough to go to the expense of migrating from software made to run on Windows OS to new software made to run on Mac. (It is not expensive, however to port over UNIX software to Mac OS X.)

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Efficiency experts

The people who are consumed by market share are the same people who think that production is all about the efficiency of machines how many parts per hour. Not a thought about throughput and what it means to the whole just their dept. (MBA's) (not for the real world)

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get what you pay for

and its no bleeding edge technology when it comes to the motherboards or memory. Still using SDRAM, and slow bus speeds. It would be different if the price was low, but your paying a premium for outdated technology. YUCK!

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re: locked in

Haven't you heard of CPU upgrades? Sure Apple doesn't sell them (anymore at least) but they exist, and they work for many people. And anyway, I've generally found that if you want to upgrade your mac you either a) sell it b) give it to someone or c) keep it as a 2nd computer. With a wintel the only common option I've seen is trash it, because by the time your ready to upgrade, you have to replace half of the components anyway, so you might as well replace the other half.

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paltry 25 million!

there are over a BILLION computers out in the world, 25 million is a droplet!

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so what?

There may be a billion computers out there, but the 25 million macs are the BEST!

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re: get what you pay for

You know your right man.

Hmmm, hey wait a minute, why are you on a Mac board ? Obviously Macs suck monkey right? So why are you even here? Go on now, get going, leave us to our over priced, under powered hardware, your father is calling you from the tool shed.

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Any hardware!

Can I natively run Windows on PowerPC? No! Looks like MS's fatal flaw is that they force you to use x86...

I didn't even reat the story. I'm sure it is the same old rhetoric.

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market share irrelevant

It doesn't matter if Apple has less of a market share, or is losing ground, or even if they went under altogether... many people would still be using their software and their hardware until their machines finally disintegrated; I'm one of them. It's called loyalty... our camp has it, M$ does not.

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Since when...

did ANY Windows user evangelize their product? Apple will continue to stay around because there are users who care about what happens to the company. They don't just use their Macs, they love them. Because of this fact, Apple will outlast ComHPaq, Dell, and those $#!t eaters at Gateway. �Viva La Manzana!

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mmmm

You know your right man.

Hmmm, hey wait a minute, why are you on a Mac board ? Obviously Macs suck monkey right? So why are you even here? Go on now, get going, leave us to our over priced, under powered hardware, your father is calling you from the tool shed.

kewl man!

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they left out one word

beleagured.

Otherwise, this qualifies at the mass media "Apple Computer Ariticle Template".

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Market share yard stick

Everyone wants to say "5% market share, they are not going to survive". Do you know what the Porche Market share is...0.02% does anyone say, "porche, they are not that great because they don't have the market share"

Enough already with the market share stuff....

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Lock into hardware????

You are no more locked into Apple hardware as you are to a PC maker....Want to "upgrade" that Dell? Good luck - their motherboards are _NOTORIOUS_ for only supporting what CPU you bought with it plus maybe one more speed bump. Same with most other "Name brand" PC's. Many clones are in the same boat...My box cannot take any new CPU (and it's only 2 years old) - it tops at 1Ghz...

Looking back, every time I "upgraded" my PC I rebuilt the whole box...AT to ATX, SIMMS to PC100 to PC133 RAM, PCI to AGP video, etc, etc.... So every "upgrade" pretty much requires a new box....This time I'm looking at a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM. What's the difference between that and a new tower? Not much.

I thought long and hard about this before I got the iMac and looking at it that way, it's not that bad. Even the towers can take new CPU upgrades...

And the lock BS...It's just that - BS...

Why do you think MS is having a hard time selling Windows to the Enterprise? It's because there are too many pieces of hardware and incompatability that it has to deal with.

Everyone knows if you want the utmost reliability you go with a single vendor solution. Someone who can provide the hardware and software and make it work well. This is how IBM can sell their AS/400's, RS/6000's, etc. Businesses wont put up with the Windows BS on an enterprise level system where the system has to be up 99.99999999999% of the time or bills won't get paid.

It's funny how managers will put millions into an AS/400 from a single source yet balk at a single source PC when it's been proven time and time again that it is clearly the best solution. Heck, if just one IS manager/CEO had the nuts to replace everything with Macs they would cut their costs by 10%! Support costs would fall, prodctivity would increase, etc. But it will never happen!

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Why are there so many

lousy tech writers.. who don't seem to get it into their thick skull that Apple is a hardware company. Now that this hardware company has produce a FANTASTIC Operating System. It goes to say the following:

1) Microsoft is truly pathetic as a OS vendor. It doesn't have to compete in hardware and yet makes a terrible effort in its CORE business.

2) Apple has every right to tie customers to their hardware. Apple PRODUCES computers - not only the OS. The core business is hardware - good software is a bonus.

3) If Apple produces OS X for Intel/AMD x86 or Itanium/Hammer, then Apple CEASES to be a hardware company and suddenly overnight blurrs into a SOFTWARE company. Suddenly all the wonderful hardware innovation we are so happy with will stop.

Sigh... can't tech writers get it right?

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All that matters is

the price of the stock and it sucks. Apple is a public company and as such it needs to boost stock price plain and simple. The bottom line is the slow machines it sells now, aren't selling. Market share is dropping again ,yes I know it will go up 1 or 2% but that's not enough. Apple has a monoply on it's OS just like Microsoft but they make more money at it. And that equates to a better return on investment. I can't buy a Ferrari on warm fuzzies and chat room babble of how this is superior to Windows when the dollars and market share doesn't support that.

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Egg heads

There is a lot of defensive Mac heads out there with very little understanding of what's actually gong on in today's market place. It seems that anyone who with an opinion that is critical of Apple is a whiner.

People get real. Apple is not selling a lot of hardware these days and that's why the are charging more for software (.Mac, QT & Jaguar). This strategy is short term to help the company make revenue goals for the quarter. Steve Jobs and senior management are not stupid. They realized that charging for .Mac, high upgrade prices and Quick Time charges would alienate some customers. They can afford to do this because they have a tremendously loyal customer base. Lastly, Apple educational sales are not doing very well as this is a crucial market. This is very much bad management, apple basically gave away the keys to the store.

Apple has made mistakes. No, they are not going out of business tomorrow but it is in everyone's self interest that Apple picks up market share. The fact that there has been so much whining and no speed improvements in new hardware is indicative of what apple has to do to get back on track.

So please, stop with the slam son opinions you disagree with - Its what makes the Mac community viable

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Apple&PCHardware the same

Apple uses PCI, USB, Firewire, like other PC so what's with the bulls**t?!

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One GOOD Company!

One

Company

Managing

Its

Own

Hardware

And

Software . . .

Bliss.

--JEB :]

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Re: Egg heads

"...They can afford to do this because they have a tremendously loyal customer base...."

Read this as mindless zombies whose only response to any criticism of Apple is 'Windoze sucks!'

Anyone who has actually use XP and OS X side by side knows why MicroSoft has 95% marketshare - THEY MAKE A BETTER OS!

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well its thursday

so who you crappen?

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Apple Hardware Expensive

Apple hardware looks great and all but it is so expensive. How can Apple expect to increase market share when the prices of machines is beyond the reach of most people?

Someone said something about it not mattering how small the market share is. I have to disagree. If OS X is only 1% or less on paper of all OS who on Earth is going to write software for it? You need more than iApps to have a home PC.

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d*** head

Anyone who has actually use XP and OS X side by side knows that Microsoft has 95% marketshare because 95% of people are dumb.
Remember the VHS vs Betamax story...

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Hardware

Everybody seems to forget that Apple is a hardware company first. Why would they want their software to work on someone elses hardware?

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The herd mentality...

...is why the PC market is 95% of share. It's sad.

We just have to keep our fingers crossed that Apple
can fix up the current chip problem. It's distressing to say the least.

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I'm worried to

Apple needs to increase market share (anyone who can't see this is an idiot). Economies of scale and more choices with software are two of the most obvious reasons.

I am a Mac head but it seems that most of Apples� computers are to slow and overpriced. My basic concern is why are they opening up so many retail sites when they don't have competitive hardware to sell? The reasonable priced computers (iBook) are very nice but slow (barely run os10). They are deliberately crippled so that they don't compete with computers that cost a thousand dollars more. No wonder Apple is losing the battle in the education market (the most price sensitive market there is).

Apple computer used to be for the 'rest of us' not the 'few rich people and spoiled brats' that can afford to buy all the upgrades and the boast about how fast they are.

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Bah humbug

I am an MCSE since 1997 I work on countless M$ machines all day they I come home to my G4 is all I have to say. By the way I stuck in a ati all in wonder pci card from a x86 pc into my G4 (10.2) loaded right up..... So saying I am stuck with apple hardware is a crock I also bought standard 2700 sdram ddr memory that would work in a x86 world also I could go on maybe he is refering to apple 2e's? Guess my cordless logitech mouse and keyboard should'nt be typing this either........ (duo keyboard pc/mac)

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