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Adobe ships GoLive 6.0, LiveMotion 2.0

updated 08:40 am EST, Mon February 25, 2002

Adobe today announced the immediate availability of GoLive 6.0, which includes the new Adobe Web Workgroup Server, GoLive Dynamic Content authoring, and Web layout tool and LiveMotion 2.0, its Web animation software. Both titles bring OS X support as well dozens of new features.

GoLive 6.0 offers Dynamic Content authoring capabilities and native support for ASP, JSP and PHP as well as XML support. QuickTime 5.0 editing and SMIL support for RealNetworks' RealOne Player. Upgrades to the $400 application are $100. It is bundled with LiveMotion 2.0 for $450.

Adobe is also shipping LiveMotion 2.0 software, its professional Web graphics and Flash (SWF) animation tool. Version 2.0 offers support for ActionScript, enhanced Flash (SWF) export, streamlined timeline and other scripting enhancements. LiveMotion is $400 and is available for $200 for a limited time. Upgrades are $100.

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Still nothing..

Still no delivery confirmation for me. I placed an order for mine on the 18th of January and paid for overnight delivery. Called Adobe this morning and the only thing they can tell me is that it MAY ship within the next 3-4 business days. grrrrrrrrrr. Their website STILL says "beginning of February" as far as a shipping date for GoLive 6. They just announced Photoshop 7 today, but I bet a years salary that no one will see that till at least end of May.

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you're on!

years' salary? h*** yeah, i'll give you even odds. "put up or shut up", as they say... heh heh.

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Golly

If their web site says early February, and its now the end of February we better start a class-action lawsuit to force Adobe to invent time travel, go back and release this software according to an optimisitc time table set months before the software was even finished (to run on OSes that were barely stable when they began to make these revisions)!!!!

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re: Golly

Sarcasm, thats all these message boards are filled with. Annoying. But I have a GREAT idea! How about....ummm....just MAYBE....announcing and taking orders for software thats FINISHED and READY TO GO?!?! Gee what a concept! Annoying.

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Usable?

Based on their past results, Photoshop will come out solid as a rock. GoLive will be incredibly buggy and bloated, and after about six months of no communication, Adobe will come out with a fix for around half the bugs. Then a year or two of ignoring us...and version 8 with more useless features and bugs!

Question is, is GoLive improved at all in terms of speed, usability, and avoiding sudden death?

And why haven't I switched to Dreamweaver like everyone else yet?

Why is making a Web authoring program so hard that nobody can do it right? It amazes me that these programs are so incredibly bloated and hard to use when they should by now be glorified word processors - Word was working far better, far earlier.

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Hello? Photoshop 7.0?

O'Grady's Powerpage:

"Sunday -- Adobe today unveiled Photoshop 7.0 with a host of new features and native support for Mac OS X and Windows XP..."

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Photoshop 7 cont.

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/index.html

HELLO? McFLY? ANYBODY HOME? THINK McFLY, THINK!

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02/25, 11:47am | report spam | close Reply |
IF I BUY NOW?

Checked on their site and can not see if i buy today photshop is it a free upgrade to 7?

i know they have had weired upgrade dates in the past.

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get real

everyone knows that dreamweaver and flash are the only game in town.

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Announcements important

There's a reason why software is first rumoured, next announced and finally available. From the official announcement on, most developers initiate the "grace period" in which buyers will receive the 'old' version but get a free upgrade to the new version, when it's available.

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RE: get real

"everyone knows that dreamweaver and flash are the only game in town."

Huh? LiveMotion supports Actionscript, JavaScript, Photoshop layered files, After Effects, Illustrator layered files....Oh, and it works in X.

Dreamweaver? Again, GoLive is fully integrated with Photoshop down to the layers level. Oh, and LiveMotion. Drag and drop. Import. Put a .psd image in a GoLive document, and you get the native Photoshop export window. Oh yeah, and it works in X.

The end results of both applications? HTML and .swf files. This isn't exactly a battle of file formats between WordPerfect and Word...All of this is going into a browser. The "game in town" comment is really kinda silly.

Go back to pumping gas.

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get real

flash is tired.

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re: get real

yes, i use macromedia all the time, BUT we do have golive 5 and livemotion 1 here in our studio, so what the heck... i'll plunk down for the upgrades, and see how it works, especially under os x.

who knows... maybe they'll surprise me. ;-)

for reference, i used golive cyberstudio from version 2 through 4, but have used dreamweaver for the past two years wince i switched jobs and that's all they used. and i have really been happy with dreamweaver/fireworks studio 4 so far.

damn, i'm glad my company is paying for all these upgrades. ;-)

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Re: get real

Dreamweaver is for PC users! It's a clunky program and makes clunky web sites. GoLive rules!

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Re: Re: get real

"Dreamweaver is for PC users! It's a clunky program and makes clunky web sites"

Really? Isn't that up to the designer the make the website? I don't think the program makes websites, it just helps along the creative process. I've been using DW since v2 ... on the Mac for about 4 years now, and make clean efficient websites and get paid money to do it.

CONSISTANTLY I've seen users of GoLive (Adobe's that is) come in with bloated code and messed up code. A-GL likes to go in and mess with custom code (sometimes), which is a lot more than DW does.

Just use what you use ... I switched my whole office over to DW from GoLive ... and they are ALL happier for it ... every one of them have said it's been way better and easier to use.

I thought this comments forum was about Photoshop ??

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re: my post :-)

"I thought this comments forum was about Photoshop ??"

Heheh. Oops.. jumping between the PS7 comments and this one ...

oh well.

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RE: RE: Re: get real

"I thought this comments forum was about Photoshop??"

Nope. See title bar above.

Thank you and have a nice day.

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The questions is...

whether integration with Photoshop makes up for DW's superior tablemaker, site management, and laissez-faire code handling.

I also think it's in Adobe's best interest to keep pushing the dynamic link/ASP stuff, which is way more popular than Cold Fusion ($$$). If either one would integrate PHP they would bury the other.

Flash on the other hand needs a serious kick in the pants. There's a lot of room for improvement there.

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End result...

I agree about the end result. GoLive does sometimes s**** up the underlying code. And I can command-tab into Photoshop - though I do like the convenience of "Edit in Photoshop" (or whatever the subcommand is), I can do without it.

I'm waiting for GL7 and DW(next) and then I'll decide. For the moment I'm still on OS9.2 so maybe I'll X first and ask questions later.

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Dream on

I'm suprized at the bad attitude here. DreamWeaver is ok, it has nice features, but the interface like most Macromedia apps is unfinished. Try opening a page from a site list using the just keyboard.

Making a WYSIWYG web SITE editor is a tall order, I've tolerated GoLive's quirks since it came out because it allowed me to work on huge websites, and after a few modifications, turned out to be very solid.

Now that I do almost everything in OSX, Golive is the only app the only app that forces me back to 9.x. (well, Fetch just broke in 10.1.3, but he says he'll fix it.) Photoshop runs like a rock in Classic, all of my little utilities are also solid or available in OSX now, so I welcome the announcement of GoLilve for OSX.

I'm going to send them the money for an upgrade asap so that they are encouraged to work on the program.

Now if Epson would just get a driver out for my 1200/Axis printer....

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Liked what I saw...

They demo'd LiveMotion 2.0 at Seybold last week and I was very impressed! Whereas Flash is frame-based, LM is timeline based. Move the bar to a point on the timeline and add objects, LM automatically creates keyframes for you. Need to adjust the length of the entire timeline? Just drag the end and everything scales along with it! Symbols don't exist in LM, as it creates them all on the fly! In so many cases, it seemed that LM was doing all the work I HATED doing in Flash.

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keep it real

oh by the way : any real website is going to be dynamic: dreamweaver ultradev does asp, jsp, coldfusion, and php. all on my new imac. OK, I'll use an adobe product called photoshop, but for the most part, adobe is a 20 headed monster that has its heads up it's #@$!. You all ballyhoo about how adobe is so great for the mac: consider that they develop apps for a 95% windows market first, then do the mac. They are'nt really all that peaple. Photoshop is king, but more than that, they drop the ball consistently...

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:)

Don't you just love'em all the more for it?

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Why I left GoLive

I used Golive 2, 3, and 4. I loved ver 2 and 3 they were great products for their time. When Adobe bought GoLive many people complained they had to pay for an upgrade to version 4 when GoLive said there would be a free patch for ver 3. I shelled out my $100 for the upgrade and waited a few weeks fo rthe app to actually ship. When the app arrived I saw a few improvements. I used it on my Mac.

I started a new job and was given Dreamweaver 2. Finally, an app that didn't change my source code and that was extensible with many options. Dreamweaver 3 came out a month later and I upgraded. I could find all kinds of sites with Dreamweaver extensions, but only 2 with GoLive additions (mostly Actions). Dreamweaver's poor interface receded into my mind as the options in Dreamweaver far outpaced GoLive.

Adobe never AFAIK updated GoLive 4 or 5 other than a minor patch. They integreated their other apps into it more tightly but I never saw any new features that grabbed me. I don't do ASP, but Dreamweaver does it anyway. Even now I don't see anything that really grabs me over Dreamweaver or UltraDev. I'll buy whatever product comes with really good PHP support. If something comes with SQL or other database calls in a drag and drop capacity I'll be all over it. If they support W3 standards like CSS and DOM correctly I'd also upgrade but I don't see that in either product. AT least in Dreamweaver somebody can add it.

Being able to doubleclick a photo in GoLive and edit it in PhotoShop just isn't attractive to me.

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GoLive

GoLive 5.0 has NEVER modified ANY of my handcoded HTML. What are you all doing that is getting changed?

GoLive 6.0 has awesome support for PHP.

The primary advantage of the Photoshop integration in GoLive is not about being able to doubleclick a graphic in GoLive and have it open Photoshop to edit it. The advantage is that you can resize the image in GoLive and it will automatically create a new optimized GIF or JPG from the original Photoshop document. The advantage is that you can choose all of those image optimization options within GoLive without openning Photoshop at all. The advantage is that if you decide to go back and modify the original image in Photoshop, you do not have to worry about manually replacing your previous web graphics with new ones.

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Uh .. ok ....

"GoLive 5.0 has NEVER modified ANY of my handcoded HTML. What are you all doing that is getting changed?"

Try custom javascripts or forms ... not just some HTML. Plus, Golive ALWAYS adds that stupid "Made With Adobe GoLive" at the top of the page ... lame.

"The advantage is that if you decide to go back and modify the original image in Photoshop, you do not have to worry about manually replacing your previous web graphics with new ones. "

Uh, if you name your files properly, you never have to worry about this anyways. I've never had to worry about manually replacing graphics just because I modify the original. Modify the original, save with the same file name, and it automatically shows up in DW as I modified it. ... it's called a linked graphic.

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Just to clarify...

I think you may be missing the point, ::snowman::. It's exactly the "save" process that the GoLive integration with Photoshop eliminates. When you save a photo or graphic, what do you have to decide? jpeg/png/gif, color pallet, bit depth, transparency color, slicing etc. The integration between GoLive and Photoshop means you set these things only once. Add a layer or some text in photoshop, you get new web graphics AUTOMATICALLY, exactly as you specified the first time. Saves a lot of time.

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Ignorant opinions

I see a lot of people making judgements about GoLive based on experience with version 4. GoLive 6 is not GoLive 4.

I suggest everyone here go to the GoLive site and read the PDFs and information.

I'm not going to contribute to the flames. I only suggest that you educate yourself on the product you are bashing before you attempt to bash it. Some of you don't have a clue.

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Re: Uh .. ok ....

"Try custom javascripts or forms ... not just some HTML. Plus, Golive ALWAYS adds that stupid "Made With Adobe GoLive" at the top of the page ... lame."

I do custom Javascript all the time; I have never had GoLive 5 change anything. I create forms all the time (which are HTML by the way) and I have never had GoLive 5 change anything. Perhaps you can show me a specific example of code? (please include both before and after GoLive changed it)

As for the "Made With Adobe GoLive" meta tag, it is completely optional. GoLive does not add it to any pages that I create.

"Uh, if you name your files properly, you never have to worry about this anyways. I've never had to worry about manually replacing graphics just because I modify the original. Modify the original, save with the same file name, and it automatically shows up in DW as I modified it. ... it's called a linked graphic."

Are you talking about modifying the original Photoshop file (with layers and all intact) or are you talking about modifying your GIF and JPG web graphics?

I am talking about modifying the original Photoshop file. (If you are talking about the latter then you are making a mistake -especially with JPGs because modifying JPG files and then resaving them as JPGs causes extra degradation.

Without the integration between GoLive and Photoshop

1) If want to make a change to a graphic, you would have to open the Photoshop file, make your changes, save the Photoshop file, and then Save for Web making sure that you use the same name as before.

2) If you want to change from GIF to JPG, then you have to open the image in Photoshop (or some other graphics converter) and resave it and then modify your HTML to reflect the change.

3) If you want to change the dimensions of the image on the webpage then you have to open it in Photoshop, resize it, and resave it and then you should have to change your HTML too (because you should be specifying them in your HTML).

4) If you need two different images of different sizes on the website from the same original Photoshop file (say a large version of the logo on the main page and a smaller version on other pages), then you have to open it in Photoshop, resize it, and Save for web, then revert back to original, resize it for the other size, and save for web again.

5) If you then need to make a change to the logo in the previous example, you have to open it up, make the change, resize, save for web, revert, resize, save for web again.

With the integration between GoLive and Photoshop

1) All you have to do is open the Photoshop file, make the change, and save your original Photoshop file. Everything else is handled by GoLive.

2) All you have to do is change your image setting in GoLive and it creates the needed GIF or JPG and changes the HTML.

3) All you

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Cool feature

Nice integration it seems between GoLive and Photoshop. (I hope Macromedia comes up with a similar feature in DW/FW. I just can't get used to GoLive's interface. I haven't tried it much though, I must confess.)

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Both of them: just fine

I've been a user of GoLive since ver. 2 and Dream Weaver's since last summer when the big "S" company in Tokyo forced me to used it on one of my part-time projects. I've always hated Macromedia products partly because it's totally different from what I'm used to: Adobe product's interface and conventions. But, hey, after using DW for over a half year now, I kinda like it. I now use both GoLive and DW depending on my clients' preference.

My personal opinion about GL and DW:

DW pros:
-Easier table handling
-Many users, especially business oriented companies.
DW cons:
- Poor site mamnagement functions
- It don't touch exsisting HTML code, but when you add new elements on visual editor, it does all sorts of stupid codes which you have to remove manually.
- There are many annoying unsophisticated interface details.

GL pros:
- Sophisticated interface which feels good.
- Strong site management tools.
- Useful with Illustartor, Photoshop etc
GL cons:
- A bug with a major Japanese input software "ATOK". It has been there as long as GL existed, not solved in Japanese GL either.
- Awkward table manipuration.

As a heavy user of both DW and GL, I think both of them have many things to learn from each other. I'm just too excited about the new GL release! GL is one of the few software Adobe provides a download purchase option which is nice because I'm in Tokyo and doesn't want to wait forever for the release of Japanese GL.

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Yep

Use what you want. I now prefer Dreamweaver is all. As I said I bought GoLive version 2-4. I saw Adobe demo ver 5 at a trade show and just didn't see anything to justify another $100 upgrade. If editting Photoshop files within an HTML app is your thing, go for it.

The Adobe server sharing/groupware product sounds interesting, but since I am not working with a team of people also using GoLive its not a factor for me.

As for modding code, it's true I didn't use GoLive 5. Im glad they got this right. BUt I didn't want to shell out another $100 when I already had that in the app I was using.

Site management seems about the same for me. Maybe your uses show benefits of one over the other, but not in my work.

Use what you want. GoLive just quit fulfilling most my needs after I got a handle on Dreamweaver.

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