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Most oppose MS anti-trust settlement

updated 10:20 am EST, Fri February 8, 2002

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Almost half of the 30,000 public comments received by the Justice Department opposed the Microsoft settlement, while only a quarter of them supported last November's settlement proposal, according to a report in The New York Times. The report also noted that fewer than 10 percent of the comments "were deemed by lawyers for the Justice Department and Microsoft to be worthy of being "' as containing a degree of detailed substance.'"

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The People Have Spoken!

And the Majority agrees that it's a raw deal.

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02/08, 11:27am | report spam | close Reply |
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I just love how deeply M$ is allowed to be involved in this case...if it were any other company do you think the DOJ would have listened to that company's settlement terms? NO! They'd be laughed out of the courtroom/judge's chambers and probably repremanded for such nonsense.

I have to admit, their lawyers are pretty good...I just wish they'd choose to represent a better company (better = honest, innovative, pro-competition).

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02/08, 12:15pm | report spam | close Reply |
Since when...

Since when does the majority rule in the USA? Not since the Supreme Court chose our last president...

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Bork

That's Judge Robert Bork of the Chicago School of Law, former nominee to the US Soopreem Kourt... He utterly denounced the proposed settlement. You can read all about it here: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/4020/1/

BTW, damn straight the Soopreem Kourt shafted this country, they effectively staged a coup d'etat in that farce of an "election"... John W. Dean, whom you Gen-X folks will likely not know of, wrote a review of several books about the utter debacle that was the presidential election of 2000:
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2002/01/30/election/index.html

Dean, not known to be a leftist madman, has concluded:

"I could easily fill another book with what I gleaned from the Election 2000 books that now fill my shelf. But you should know a few bottom-line facts I learned from my reading. For these, the evidence is overwhelming, and the conclusions are inescapable, if not irrefutable:

� Al Gore, to win in Florida, should not have restrained his Florida team, worrying unnecessarily that the establishment elite would be unhappy with him, for if he had taken the attitude of his opponent -- Bush was prepared to tie up the election indefinitely, if necessary -- he could have prevailed in the Florida recount. He had more actual votes than Bush, not to mention more voters who were disenfranchised by Florida election errors. In truth, he won the Florida vote, but lost the recount.

� Florida Governor Jeb Bush's behind-the-scenes efforts and influence are still not fully known, but his presence was felt everywhere during the recount, assuring his brother's team a win. Jeb Bush's influence helped open doors for George W. Bush, and closed doors for Gore. This part of the story still remains to be told.

� The U.S. Supreme Court's intervention into the Florida recount was pure partisan politics, driven by the court's conservative majority, and their actions resulted in one of the high court's most shameful decisions ever.

� Finally, until we modernize our presidential election processes and procedures with new laws (and, if necessary, a constitutional amendment to abolish the outmoded electoral college), another presidential election debacle could easily, and very likely will, occur again. "

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re: Bork

And I submit to you that the scumbag known as George W. Bush makes the likes of Richard M. Nixon look good if only in a few aspects.

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Unfortunately

Much of his popularity is in the fact that he is not clever enough to be truly evil. But because he has a number of clever and evil forces from the political and corporate world, manipulating him, he is just as dangerous as if he was.

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People who care.

Erm, nice way to stay on-topic folks.

People who had better things to do than write letters to the DOJ: Entire US population minus about 30,000.

Currently typing comments on a Dell P4, and very happy with Windows XP.

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Uppa U Ess!

People who were too stupid and/or wrapped up in their own little worlds to care enough to write the DOJ: Approximately 250,000,000 minus 30,000...

Currently typing on a dual 1GHz G4 that eats peeceez as a light snack, and kicking a** and taking names using OS X.

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Re: People who care.

Why is it that PC Trolls think their pro-M$ comments are welcome in a Mac-centric forum?

Do us all a favor and log off, son.

geezer
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Re: Re: People who care.

Well, it should be self-evident that anyone brazenly stupid enough to buy a Dell would not have the good common sense to f*ck off and stay under his/her rock.

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Well, thank you all for your well-reasoned responses. I'm guessing that this was the sort of constructive feedback that the DOJ was getting in its "no" letters.

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re: re: re: You Chump�

Does this INCONSEQUENTIAL "comments forum" bear ANY resemblance to the DOJ? No, I thought not. What am I inferring here? That people, like myself, took the time to email the DOJ with reasoned details of their opinions on the matter of the proposed MS settlement. Note that I said "like myself", which cuts out all the morons who emailed nothing but drivel to the DOJ.

Now, you may crawl back under your little rock.

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DOH!

yeah, really... like this forum is intended to inspire the judge to rethink the settlement and that people here should be required to conduct themselves with the same deportment they'd employ when addressing a formal entity like the DOJ... you chucklehead... on yer damn bike, sonny.

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Re:You Chump

Uh -- I think you mean "implying," not "inferring." Get a dictionary.

As to whether the comments on this forum bear any resemblance to the comments received by the DOJ -- neither you nor I really know for certain, right? Did *you* read the letters?

I don't think my assumptions are *completely* unreasonable. It was reported that many of the letters received by the DOJ fell into the "crank" category. I have no doubt that *some* of the letters were reasonable, but a lot of them weren't. That matters.

And to DOH!: I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't remember saying anything about people being "required" to do anything.

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Semi-literate

No, you pompous fool... INFER! And, you presumptuous a**, I have and use a dictionary, QED:

Infer In*fer", v. t. [imp. & p. p. Inferred; p. pr. & vb. n.
Inferring.] [L. inferre to bring into, bring forward,
occasion, infer; pref. in- in + ferre to carry, bring: cf. F.
inf['e]rer. See 1 st Bear.]
1. To bring on; to induce; to occasion. [Obs.] --Harvey.

2. To offer, as violence. [Obs.] --Spenser.

3. To bring forward, or employ as an argument; to adduce; to
allege; to offer. [Obs.]

Full well hath Clifford played the orator, Inferring
arguments of mighty force. --Shak.

4. To derive by deduction or by induction; to conclude or
surmise from facts or premises; to accept or derive, as a
consequence, conclusion, or probability; to imply; as, I
inferred his determination from his silence.

To infer is nothing but by virtue of one proposition
laid down as true, to draw in another as true.
--Locke.

Such opportunities always infer obligations.
--Atterbury.

5. To show; to manifest; to prove. [Obs.]

The first part is not the proof of the second, but
rather contrariwise, the second inferreth well the
first. --Sir T. More.

This doth infer the zeal I had to see him. --Shak.

infer
v 1: reason by deduction; establish by deduction [syn: deduce,
deduct, derive]
2: draw from specific cases for more general cases [syn: generalize,
generalise, extrapolate]
3: conclude by reasoning; in logic [syn: deduce]
4: guess correctly; solve by guessing [syn: guess]
5: believe to be the case; "I understand you have no previous
experience?" [syn: understand, gather]

Further, had you had your head out of your nether regions, you'd know exactly what that other poster was on about... He is laughing at you and your expectation that anyone posting here feels the need to be formal as they would when addressing the DOJ.

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Well, it's good to see that you don't take yourself too seriously. I thought for a second there you didn't have a life.

I suppose that whether "infer" is an appropriate term depends on whether your statements qualify as as "reasoning." I don't think they do.

If I have to *search* for meaning, I have to judge based on what I believe to be an *implication*, since reason has not been established.

And don't bother giving me another long quote from a dictionary. I'm not impressed by your transcription skills.

By the way, I notice you didn't address the *substance* of my last post, namely, the nature of some of the messages sent to the DOJ.

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LOL

It is more than apparent that I have been engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed person... You ever consider taking a course in "reading for comprehension"?

Fact is that in a very real if somewhat obtuse sense I have addressed your BS with what I deem as appropriate rejoinder.

You seem to be quite good at inventing your own set of rules of order as well as dictating what word usage is appropriate...And I suppose you have been referring to your copy of "Robert's Rules of Order"? Do you presume that this is some sort of formal debate in which rules mst be followed? You cretin.

yeahrightsure
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Sheesh...

what a stone-cold prig (look it up)... did you not read what 'geezer' said in his posts, ALL of them should be read to establish continuity. he surely addressed your priggish nonsense. did *YOU* read *HIS* email to the DOJ? is he making the claim that this comments forum is simply NOT a formal site for debate and therefore anything goes? are *YOU* the final arbiter of what is properly said and done here?

you *really* are quite dim... i say again, on yer damn bike, sonny.

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Re: LOL.

Geezer, you remind me a little bit of the actor John Carradine who, long after his acting career had ended, spent his days prowling the streets reciting Shakespeare to anyone who would listen to him.

No doubt, the people who didn't know any better thought John Carradine a very impressive person. It's sad, really.

When you tire of the theatrics, maybe, someday, you will actually address the substance of my post. But I imagine that I would have to endure many more one-man plays before that happened.

I don't have that much time, unfortunately. Oh well.

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Tired, yes...

Tired of poseurs such as yourself who put themselves up as some sort of final arbiter of common sense and reason when it is certainly the case that you are in denial of the fact, if you *could* read between the lines, that you've had your chatter rebuffed, and reasonably so. Substance? You would not recognize substance if it sat on your face. I have addressed your BS, point by point. You fail to recognize it.

In the immortal words of William Claude Fields, "... go away, son, you bother me..."

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THANK YOU.

Very informative.....I never would have thought to visit a site called linuxplanet for cogent political (and now, sadly, historical) analysis.

But I really OUGHT to write an AppleScript that would put salon.com up on my screen at least once a week.

Anyway, thanks again for the heads up.

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Interesting...

Two-thirds, an overwhelming majority, of 22000 "substansive" comments opposed the Microsoft-DOJ settlement. What's the spread against the convicted corporate felon on the top-tier filings "characterized as containing a degree of detailed substance"? Wouldn't MS hype this figure if it were positive for it? The silence is deafening.

Since this is the Tunney Act and it exists for public comment, I find it disturbing that the Department of Justice (the prosecutor with a legal obligation to ensure that Sherman "violation shall be enjoined or otherwise prohibited") would try to cover their asses as well as MSFT's in such an obviously method. Governments that do not respect the will of the speaking public do not last long.

It is neither the public, MS's competitors, or states that carry the burden of proof arguing for the passage of this settlement.

I'm looking forward to the DOJ responding to my Tunney Act filing. Given the obvious pro-MS tilt exhibited in their posturing, it is the DOJ's comments that require substantiation.

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