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Adobe ships InDesign 2.0 page layout software

updated 09:50 am EST, Mon January 21, 2002

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Adobe today announced the immediate availability of InDesign 2.0 software, an OS X-compatible version of its professional layout and design program. Version 2.0 also introduces editable transparency effects such as drop shadows, table creation, long document support, extensible markup language (XML) import/export support and a greatly enhanced printing interface. Upgrades to the $700 application are $100 for the next 90 days and $150 thereafter.

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Are we still doing that all your InDesign are belong to us thing?

Or is that a bit passe now? :-)

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Yeah!

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

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Ummmmm....

Where is Photoshop... Photoshop should have been ported long before InDesign. I still can't use OSX 100%... I'm also waiting for Quark and 5+ "Apps" -as Steve would say...

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I want photoshop!

I also want they lagging team at Microsoft to get off their but and make an Outlook client for X.

Don't get me wrong. The Office team rules. But Their messaging team needs to take a flying leap! I wish they would just give the job to their Mac Office team so it would get done, and get done right.

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Great! But...

I just wish Adobe would release a downloadable demo of their new products at the same time they release it for sale. I don't want to buy ID 2.0 unless I can try it out, and Adobe's silly policy is always to release a demo MONTHS after the full product is out! Why!? I bet they'd get more sales if they allowed people to "try" it before buying it. Just plain dumb!

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OS X demo...

...they should update that demo, damnit... :P it's an expensive program and if hundreds (maybe even thousands) of printing and design houses are eventually going to make the switch to X they should take it into serious consideration... And yeah, I want OE5 X, too, Microsoft! Thanks(?)!

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Re: Great! But...

mmorales wrote:
I just wish Adobe would release a downloadable demo of their new products at the same time they release it for sale.

Yes, that would be nice, but due the way things work when designing software (at least at Adobe -- I know because I used to work there), the finished product must be completed before they can modify it to make a crippled demo version. Each separate release requires its own QA (Quality Assurance) cycle to ensure the best quality product.

Hope that helps.

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mitchell_pgh wrote:
Where is Photoshop... Photoshop should have been ported long before InDesign.

Sorry, but I believe that would be impossible. Most people don't realize the monstrosity that is Photoshop... we're talking millions and millions and millions (and possibly more millions) of lines of code here. Let them do it right.

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Goodie�

One happy bunny today. InDesign rocks (well, kinda creaks, but maybe they've sorted that!) and (finally!!) a downloadable Illustrator X demo -- Now I shall know whether to stick with Freehand or jump completely into the Adobe InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop caboodle and operate with just one set of keyboard shortcuts! Wahoo!

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memory loss?

Why are any of you still amazed that Adobe isn't releasing Photoshop yet? Did you just not pay attention the several times they announced Q2 availability?

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"we're talking millions and millions and millions (and possibly more millions) of lines of code here. Let them do it right."

well sorta. actually the transfering would already be done by now but they decided to make a new version number for osx aka ps7. this way they wont give us a free upgrade to osx and we will have to pay wether we like the new version or not just to have a photoshop native osx version. which also means of course the peecee version had to be done also and will command a simoultaneous release with the mac one. so no its not just millions of lines of code that would have been done months ago, its also a new version with things like spell check (LOL) for os9 and x and a update for the peecee version and bug testing etc. so please give us more credit than "its alot of code". from what i understand maya was a big a** program and was transfered in months.

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No, its not Millions and Millions...its Billions And Billions (Carl Sagan..aka Donald Douglas RIP).

What you are forgetting to mention is they could just port over the SGI (unix) version of Photoshop. I bet someone thought they were losing the big bucks when Mac went Unix with OS X. Now, they can't charge Mac users of PS 7 the +$5000 per seat licensing that SGI O2 users enjoyed. Boohoo.

I think anyone that owns Apple stock should vote Adobe off the board next (along with that MacWarehouse fellow). I do not see them contributing to the success of the mac platform, but rather to the proliferation of menus (I need more screen space) and saturation mailings of over-price ram upgrade mail-order catalogs!
(IMHO)

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Adobe and X

Adobe stated a long time ago (around with OS X came out) that they would not being doing X ports of their current programs because this would pull their employees away from working on the next versions of their products and delay them even more. Instead they were going to make every Adobe product released in the future work with X. This is a lot smarter/economical for Adobe. If you want Adobe to do half-assed ports of their programs, you're looking at the wrong company.

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not quite

But Adobe did release a free Acrobat 5 updater (not the free reader) that made Acrobat 5 run under X without Classic. That would mean they aren't philosophically opposed to free OS X upgrades. One would have to agree however, that Acrobat and Photoshop are not apps of equal complexity. There was a news item somewhere about an Adobe engineer complaining about the "difficulty of porting Photoshop's virtual memory to OS X."

Porting the SGI version? Last I heard, the SGI version was NOT the equal of Photoshop 6. Did you want them to port an obsolete version just so the whiners would have something to whine about?

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Whiners...

You missed my pint (hic), Adobe is playing a game. I see the Windows version coming out and working nicely in XP. I see them charging for the upgrade. (Acrobat Reader is supposed to be free...hence the addiction to PDFs).

As for PS7, I've been working with the beta(s) and won't say much (NDA). Its not bad though, but not native, but dig the spellchecking...hic.

Truth is, I don't think OS X is ready yet. 10.1.2 creeps.

About that SGI feedback, duh. I think comparing the SGI version to the current mac version is bliss. It would be better for ADobe to come clean and say, "hey, Apple is creating this OS X from scratch (not really) so we are optimizing PS to take advantage of it". Rather Adobe is mulling over iPhoto, and the damage FCP did to Premiere. Keep simmering...

Yet AAPL is $30 less than Adobe stock. I am glad I have a windows box. now, if AAPL would port to AMD...

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plugins

I wonder if Photoshop will need new versions of all the third party plugins to work under OSX

I just upgraded to After Effects 5.5 and all my plugins only run under OS9, none of them in OSX. What the h*** is that?

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He he, you are funny!

"Yet AAPL is $30 less than Adobe stock. I am glad I have a windows box. now, if AAPL would port to AMD..."

OK, do you know anything about financial matters? The stock of the price is irrelevant. If the stock price mattered, Berkshire Hathaway would be the best company in the world, and be worht a thousand times what Microsoft of Ge are worth. Take a look at Market Cap for the companies you are discussing. AAPL market cap =7.814 Billion, ADBE market cap = 8.202 Billion, hence the value of each company, as determined by the market, is nearly identical, and can fluctuate wildly every day (ADBE lost about 320 million today alone.)

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He he, now I'm funny!

"The stock of the price is irrelevant."

Ok, what I meant to say is "The price of a stock is irrelevant." I guess that it what you get for talking on the phone and typing at the same time.

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Ugh...

"they could just port over the SGI (unix) version of Photoshop"

No, they couldn't. Just because OS X has a Unix core doesn't mean that you can just port arbitrary GUI apps.

"I wonder if Photoshop will need new versions of all the third party plugins to work under OSX "

It's quite likely that they will. Unless the developer stuck strictly to using only Photoshop APIs (and that's hard), they'll have to carbonize their plugins too.

-- Avi (who has carbonized several apps and written a Photoshop plugin)

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PS 7 not native?

PS 7 is not a native OS X application? Sez who?

Repeat after me: Carbon IS JUST AS NATIVE AS COCOA!

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Porting SGI version

The SGI version is a ported Mac version. There is a Mac Toolbox compatibility layer in the the SGI version so they did not have to do much porting to get it from Mac to IRIX.

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