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Petition to bring Windows AVI to Quicktime

updated 09:50 pm EST, Thu December 13, 2001

 
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MacNN reader Jason Thacker has started an online petition aimed at Apple; the petition asks that "Apple use the Windows implementation of AVI (in Quicktime) instead of the official specification. This will allow Mac users to play most AVIs when used with the new Divx codecs."


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    12/13, 09:01pm | report spam | Reply | delete

    Ridiculous

    It would be a huge mistake to do this, If MS can't code properly and design around the standards, Apple should not introduce non-standard codecs into QT just to deal with others mistakes. A conversion utility or even an import plugin for QT would make much more sense.

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    Ridiculous

    It would be a huge mistake to do this, If MS can't code properly and design around the standards, Apple should not introduce non-standard codecs into QT just to deal with others mistakes. A conversion utility or even an import plugin for QT would make much more sense.

  1. outlyer

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    12/13, 09:38pm | report spam | Reply |

    Re: Ridiculous

    Actually, there are a number of import/conversion tools to fix this issue, however, the issue in question involves problems with MP3 audio syncing with video. Since AVI is a wrapped format, you should be able to use any video and audio codecs in it. In this case, Apple's implementation of AVI is not 100% because it doesn't support the embedded audio stream in AVI.

    If you convert the file to MOV it works fine, so it's not about Apple following standards; it's about an incomplete implementation of AVI.

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    Audio out of sync

    Even native QT5 Pro made MOV's have a tendancy to have their audio out of sync IMA 4:1 QWave 2, you name it... same goes for an array of video codecs. I can't put my finger on whats causing it, you notice it with very large files. ::shrug:::

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    I don't know

    There are quite a few avi movies that I can't watch. Probably all of them that don't look really old. I am not talking about divx either. I would like to see whatever this is fixed.

  1. KickUinDaNuts

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    More Problems

    Regardless of what the spec is, if 90% of the rest of the world uses something, that pretty makes it a standard. Besides, there is more to this than just the ability to parse the AVI header. When playing AVIs, there is a 10-15% performance loss in terms of playing framerate (this number isn't scientific, of course). I was one of the beta testers for the new Divx.com 4.11 codec, and the one that started the petition. I know all the implications of this issue... during the beta testing process, and even for a long time before, we had spent a good number of months discussing possible workarounds, contacting Apple, and nothing so far has worked. This petition is just an attempt at the simplist of solutions: for Apple to have one of their engineers spend a day to make QuickTime work with the rest of the world.

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    12/14, 05:19am | report spam | Reply |

    Goodluck

    Well Goodluck then. I would be surprised if one could persuade Apple to do this with their own MPEG4-codec coming right up.

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    Even with...

    ...the Avi-to-Mov converter, you still can't see the .avi files on, say, this site:

    http://www.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi/~jfinnber/agapio/english.html

  1. OwlBoy

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    12/14, 09:39am | report spam | Reply |

    Even with...

    Do you have the Indeo Video 5 codec installed?

    it says at the bottem of that page thats what it uses...

    -Owl

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    Stupid Petitions

    What is the deal with all these Petitions all of a sudden?

    Are all of these people under the impression that Apple cares what they think the direction of their company should be?

    Are the managers at Apple supposed to put every petition item on their Project plans in the hope of making users happy? It's not going to happen. Apple is a Business. Development projects are always based on the business decisions.

    Why would they waste hundreds of man hours to implement a codec to directly support a competitors format when it can be played just fine after converting the file? Where is the Return on Investment on that one??

    I wonder who the biggest losers are in these petitions. The person who creates them, or the hundreds of people who sign them thinking that it will matter?

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