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G5 ready for manufacturing, Power Mac G5s

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The Register reports (on a rumor) that the "PowerPC G5 has been passed for full-scale manufacturing" and that Apple will ship new Power Mac G5 desktops in 1.2GHz, 1.4Ghz, and 1.6GHz speeds at Macworld Expo in January, if Motorola can increase the chip's yield. The new Power Macs will reportedly ship with DDR SDRAM memory, a "much faster front side bus," and Gigawire.

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here's the link

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/23078.html

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yeah!

w0000000t. the reg is always right

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they are alot better than alot of soghts out their... All i know is they better have dual machines!!

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Ready to buy early summer

This will time well if true. Bought my dual 500 a year ago and planned on it lasting a couple of years before replacing. A nice dual 1.6 GHz G5 ought to be a suitable replacement. Been a lot on the Reg about this, hope they're right.

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1GHz - 1.6GHz ???

quote from article According to our mole, the G5 is tentatively being produced in three versions: 1.2GHz, 1.4GHz and 1.6GHz. We say 'tentatively' because there still appears to be some concern that there will be insufficient 1.6GHz parts for a commercial release. Says our source: "The chips that are testing at 1GHz are being set aside in case there are not enough 1.6GHz chips to release that machine."

my response Unless their manufacturing process is severly flawed, there is no way in h*** the speeds will vary more than 15% across the entire yield. It sounds as if they are lucky to get decent yields of 1GHz cores - which means 1.6GHz ain't gonna happen for a looooooong time.

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Get those hopes up...

...so you can be crushed if they don't make the target and then you'll be able to wail and moan in these forums for months about how Apple has betrayed you!

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Why not leapfrog the PC?

I have read other Mac related sites that confirm Motorola tested these chips to be safe at or above the 2GHz range. Why are we keeping up with the Joneses when we can release G5s that run over the competition? This is what frustrates me whenever the guys at Cupertino decide to be incremental instead of gangbusters.

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jump the pc

Steve should (wont but should) show off a 1.6ghz G5 and show it womping all pcs in everything, then tell everyone that they cant have this chip.... then say that is because it is too slow then show the 2.4ghz chip. OR just say, you know how we have had trouble getting in to the GHZ range, well we are just going to skip that and go on up to 2.4ghz. either way any mac lover who has enjoyed his share of fast food will probably die of a heart attack.

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"if"

The only problem with this article is it is all based on "IF" Motorola can increase the chip's yield. Motorola does not have a very good track record when it comes to chip yields, either. So, it looks like either Macworld Expo in July or (I think) most probably Macworld Expo in January 2003.

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Believe it....

...when I BUY it!

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DDR Ram

If they cannot get the G5 out, maybe they will at least get DDR RAM into the G4 to satisfy us! From what I've heard, AltiVec is severely strangled by the 133Mhz BUS.

With 700Mhz RAM FCP 2 render speeds would be much faster! (stating the obvious, I know - but it's a nice dream to have ;-)

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they have to come out with something new this jan. maybe if g5 yields arent up theyll boost the g4 to 933 and come out with the new imac? either way you might as well paste macosrumours.com right on the registers url because they both have a c*** track record. while id like to see g5 and all at those speeds or even 1.4 would be very badass indeed, i wont get my hopes up for sites that never pan out. i didnt see them mention dual? or did they? dual would rock a** specially for 3d.

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goodbye to sales

Hello Apple,

This is reality writing. I just wanted to let you know that because of the G5 rumors, your holiday sales will be c***. Good luck (you will need it).

Reality.

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re: goodbye to sales

hey it's not like G4-using graphics professionals are giving each other new Macs for XMas. Holiday sales are more in the consumer range, anything starting with i.

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re:goodbye to sales

Spot on...businesses don't make any purchasing decisions in December. January is the perfect time to release pro machines; us Mac pros are just getting back to work and looking to upgrade.

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Sheesh!

To the dim bulb who was whining about "the guys in Cupertino" in regards to chip speeds: Cupertino (Apple) has EXACTLY NOTHING to do with this issue, Motorola makes the chips and NOT Apple. Now, as to this rumor killing sales in the immediate future, I say it won't necessarily affect sales much. A savvy Mac user knows full well that the G5, or at least a speedier chip of some appellation, has been "just around the corner" for some time now. I have put off purchasing a new tower for MANY months (*seems* like damn near a year, though it has not been that long) waiting for a Mac with at least a 1.2GHz chip in it. Once again, who is to blame for these sub-GHz chips we have been tolerating for so long now? NOT Apple, rather it is Motorola that is the laggard. Further, it is all but certain due to their historically poor track record that Motorola will have trouble ramping up their chip foundries to produce, in sufficient numbers to satisfy the market, whatever turns out to be the fastest chip speed (1.3, 1.4, 1.5, or 1.6... who knows? you and I don't) they can produce for this upcoming next generation of Macs. For crissakes, Motorola had trouble even making enough 700MHz chips for the fastest iMacs, this is recent history and it was widely and accurately reported here at MacNN and at MacMinute, among several other Mac sites.

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G5? yeah, right.

asking for a 1+ GHz chip from motorola is asking alot, but to also expect it to be the G5? forget it. we'll see it in 2003, not before. I just don't know why Apple puts up with this c***, i really don't. maybe it's contractual agreements but it's begining to look more like a prison sentence.

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We will see...

if Apple puts out a denial as they have with other off-base rumors. This will give us a good clue as to what lies around the corner as Apple will not be willing to jeopardize sales due to unbased rumors.

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Re: Sheesh!

To the person who called someone a dim bulb, you should check your own brightness.

You wrote:
For crissakes, Motorola had trouble even making enough 700MHz chips for the fastest iMacs, this is recent history and it was widely and accurately reported here at MacNN and at MacMinute, among several other Mac sites.

This would be a nice point, except for the fact that IBM makes the G3 CPU's in the iMacs.

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Bring it!

It's probably not gonna happen, but it sure is something to look forward to! I'm tired of not having DVD support for my G4 400 PCI, and it's only two years old for chrissakes. But I will refrain from ranting about that. I made a promise to myself that I would replace my computer every time the components tripled (e.g.: 400MHz to 1.2GHz, 20GB to 60GB, etc.) I'm also hoping they'll introduce those new flat panels (19", 21?", 24?") Probably a bunch of vaporware, but enough to keep my hopes up until they DO put out.

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Hehehe

I have DVD in my G4 400 PCI.

Hack hack hack......

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Leapfrog the PC?

"safe at or above the 2GHz range. Why are we keeping up with the Joneses when we can release G5s that run over the competition?"

Pay attention to the statements about chip yields.

Just because Moto can make one 2.4 GHz chip does not in any way imply that Moto can make 500,000 of them. It's been the classic problem.

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Chip yeilds...

What is the chip number of the "G5" from Mot? Has that chip even been announced or is it just something "for Apple"? (For that matter, can you guy the variations of G4s that go in the Macs direct from Mot? I would think so, since I've worked with embedded PPC boards that had early G4s on them, under the Mot number.)

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Motorola

I read numerous articles stating motorola was having tremendous 1.6 ghz g5 yields, decent 1.2 and 1.4, large amounts of 1 ghz, and stagnant of 2 ghz+

I would assume that if moto is having good yields of the 1.6 then apple would rally for a a dual 1.6 asap after MWSF which would d*** some people over.

hey! isn't the next generation iMac to be released at MWSF?(like wasn't it delayed)

at any rate I'm excited, I could pee my pants, now if only Creative fully supported Macs in all their departments because creative has some really killer products(i.e Audigy)

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someone wrote:

"To the dim bulb who was whining about "the guys in Cupertino" in regards to chip speeds: Cupertino (Apple) has EXACTLY NOTHING to do with this issue, Motorola makes the chips and NOT Apple."

well...sorry to contradict you, but Apple has in fact taken over much of the development of the G5 in house, in order to speed up Motorola and eventually get IBM back into the production of high-end Mac chips...

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Hmm...

And I suppose that Intel makes these chips? No, Moto does, and the fact is that Apple has no chip foundries, and Moto still releases the press reports regarding the impending releases and roadmap for the PPC. Nowhere has it been stated clearly that Apple has assumed any such lead position nor is it in the business of developing PPC chips. Your remarks are based on rumors.

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Dimbulb?

Moto, as it was reported in MacMinute and MacNN, was responsible for the lack of sufficient numbers of the 700MHz chip in the latest iMac offerings. You could look it up.

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Finally

Finally we are going to keep up with all the Windows user machines in MHz numbers. Yes, I know that MHz number doesnt really matter, but to any consumer who sees an iMac that is 700mhz then sees a windows using computer that has 1.6ghz, they are obviously gona choose the one that has higher numbers.

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Maker = Manufacturer

That's fairly clear. Apple does not make the chips and likely never will, nor does Apple have a lead position in their architectural development. Apple does not even lease production runtime in any chip foundry. Moto is, in the final analysis, utterly responsible for making a product that is tangible, can be held in one's hand or placed on a motherboard. Can you understand this simple distinction? Moto is the maker of the PPC that is the subject of these rumors in this report from the Register.

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Facts and Opinions

The 700 MHz G3 is the 750CX with 256K built-in L2 made *exclusively* by IBM. Motorola does not have the ability to manufacture G3s faster than 500MHz. Any reports to the contrary are false.

I also happen to believe that the G5 rumors are completely false. But that is just my opinion.

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Apple & PPC

yep , ya don't hafta be a rocket scientist to understand that Apple is at the mercy of a manufacturer of chips, Apple can hardly hold a gun to the head of some production manager at Motorola or IBM and demand they make any sort of chip whatsoever or in whatever numbers either for that matter

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Apple and PPC...

Even if they were making them in-house, Apple couldn't hold a gun to anyone's head and demand 1, 2 or 3+ GHz chips. Moto and IBM aren't "holding back". If they have trouble ramping up the yields, it's a technical issue, not a "we don't wanna do it so we're not going to" (unless they're still mad at Steve for killing off the clones...).

Technical issue. As Scotty would say, "Ya canna change the laws of physics, Cap'n Steve."

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exactly

...a manufacturer can not make what they are unable to make... but the fact still stands, Apple is not a manufacturer and so Apple has exactly zero responsibility in what MHz CPU offerings that Macs have or don't have. IBM is certainly not holding back, they are killing Moto in just about every way possible when it comes to chip design and production. IBM G4's have been way ahead of pokey Moto's offerings for some time now. i do question Moto's seemingly laggard pace, it's suspicious to me.

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IBM and Moto

What's the deal between the IBM and Moto and PowerPC chips anyway? I could never understand specifics of the situation. Does Motorola have all the legal rights? But why then IBM is able to use PPC in servers and networking? What the dealio, can someone explain?

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hrm.

when the last batch of G5 rumors came down the pike i asked a friend at apple about it and here's what he had to say...

"this is about as inaccurate as it gets. Don't believe any of it.January will not be a G5 event.It will be a special Macworld though.. if you are on the fence about buying a machine, do not wait for the G5.. you'll be waiting a while..

my guess is this person works for Microsoft or Intel.They clearly understand the technical dimension of the industry and are delivering their knowledge in a way that would only fool you guys.. the engineers at Apple had a good laugh after reading this.. (the MacOSRumors.com info)Think about it.. why would a guy, whose job depends on Apple being a success do something so stupid like this?let's see1. the industry wide slowdown has effected the bottom line of all companies2. Apple is doing surprisingly well, but is perpetually laying off people3. Everybody at Apple knows that the surprise release of machines is the best marketing strategy they could hope for. It means millions of dollars in free publicity that they couldn't buy if they wanted to.4. If Apple's stock drops due to a sales lull, anyone could lose their job due to normal profit slowdown.5. If an engineer, this close to a highly top secret project, had released this information, it would be VERY easy to discover who it was.. I'm sure that only a VERY small group knows this level of detail at Apple.its rubbish.. absolute rubbish.. (cool to read though)"

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The dealio...

IIRC, Apple, IBM and Motorola formed the AIM alliance to cooperate on the PowerPC chips. IBM and Motorola design and make them, I think Apple supplies the morning tea.

Anyway, everything was great between them up to the G3; lots of friendly cooperation. Apple was using the processors in their desktops, IBM in the mainframes and I think Moto had them for the embedded market. Then along came Altivec: Moto invented it and it was great for processing the kinds of data that Apple and Moto used, but not IBM because their servers didn't need that sort of processor power. So IBM didn't want anything to do with it, but Apple wanted it.

Now Moto makes the G4 chips, Moto and IBM make G3s. Unfortunately, the G4 seems to be a difficult beast to scale up the MHz tree and without the help of IBM's engineers, Apple and Moto have been trying to sort out the problems themselves. I'm sure they try like buggery, but we're impatient acolytes. MHz myth be damned, Steve would swap a kidney for a reliable yield of 2 GHz chips I reckon. I would.

A lot of people have been waiting for IBM to step in and "save the day", cuz that's what happens in the movies, right? People previously quarrelling reunite, good guys win, bad guys vanquished...

There's probably enough truths in what I've written to muddy the waters somewhat. :-)

I wanna dual G5 with DDR RAM, twin overhead cams, quad barrel Holley. And a p**** extension.

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