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iPod unable to play subscription music

updated 02:00 pm EST, Mon November 26, 2001

c|net reports that Apple's iPod, among other digital music devices, will be unable to play subscription-based audio files being delivered by Pressplay and MusicNet. The report adds that Apple's "not-our-problem stance" to music piracy typifies the consumer electronics industry, and will make it difficult for music subscription services to get off the ground.

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PookJP
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11/26, 02:13pm | report spam | close Reply |
It's not their problem

Take iPod out of its context and think of different items that can be misused:

- is it the automaker's fault if their car is used in a bank robbery
- is a speaker manufacturer responsible for stolen music being played through their product
- is it the brown bag maker's responsibility if someone consumes alcohol in public with their product covering the bottle
- is it the camera maker's problem if their product is used in child pornography?

... so why is Apple responsible for the illegal action of iPod's purchasers?

- Pook

derbs
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11/26, 02:22pm | report spam | close Reply |
very true

very true words pook

i don't care if iPod doesn't play subscription based music. Everything is available for free on p2p services - why should i fork out for a sub. service? The cd prices etc are already a complete rip off

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11/26, 02:26pm | report spam | close Reply |
paying

I'd pay for music if I could get a song, for a couple bucks, and with no restrictions. But we'll never see this.

PookJP
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11/26, 02:29pm | report spam | close Reply |
and also...

It's not as if the iPod is inherantly a device used for theivery. If used properly, it's a great way of transporting your entire music collection.

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11/26, 02:37pm | report spam | close Reply |
Subscription Music

This is the biggest reason I have no interest in subscription music....I have no interest in paying for music which I'll only be able to play on ONE of my computers, and nowhere else...I like to take my MP3's with me (if the music industry can't figure this out, they deserve for their services to fail), just the same that I like to use my discman a lot more than I listen to CD's in a desktop CD player.

If it ever gets to the point that the music industry is going to make it impossible to legally listen to music outside of the one PC you have that is set up for this licensed music, and then they also go and make it so you can't even play CD's in your computer and make mp3's from it, I don't know what I would do....maybe stop buying new music? Or just start focusing on more independent minded musicians (They Might Be Giants come to mind.......almost their entire catalogue is available for mp3 download from their service on emusic.com, but once you get the mp3's you can do anything you want, they are just normal mp3's).

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f*** subscription music

Recordings should be free.

Musicians need to work for their money like the rest of us - tour more frequently. This new trend of recording a single good song, sandwiching it between 40 minutes of drivel and selling it to the sheeple is disturbing.

Recordings and videos are all good but let's not get carried away and think they are anything but solicitations to see the artists in concert.

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big deal

everything is crakable these days, so i don't care about those major label thiefs, we'll have it for free anyway!

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11/26, 03:30pm | report spam | close Reply |
Pre-failed business model

Everybody who wants to pay for music they can get for free, raise your hand. I want an iPod, and I really don't care if it doesn't support the 10 overpriced songs they'll manage to distribute before the music subscription business model completely fails (see: Napster)

I agree with the above. I'd pay $2 for Clint Eastwood, but I didn't like much else on the Gorillaz's full price CD. Why buy the value meal if I've got a drink and I don't want fries?

All I care about is the iPod's ability to support new and upcoming formats like Ogg(OGG?). But ultimately, I should always have a computer capable of ripping my own CDs to mp3's. And if I want to get a dozen or so via P2P, well, that's the industry's own fault for not providing me with a legitimate way to get unrestricted high quality music for realistic prices.

s**** the hand that feeds us. Chop off the fingers and burn the rest of the arm if it doesn't bow to consumer will. For a 'market' that supports those guys, I sure don't see them doing anything but profiting off us and complaining about how high their profit margins are without offering us anything more.

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p2p

p2p stands for? What's the website? Sorry, folks I'm out of the loop.

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p2p = peer to peer

p2p = peer to peer

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Remember Divx?

Remember what happened to Circuit City's Divx. Rent once and play on ONE machine. Buy so you can only play it on ONE machine.

This is the same thing. It will not last long...if it even gets out the door.

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Glad

I'm glad Apple isn't bowing to the will of the RIAA and others.
Everybody else already said the problems with the music industry: one device only, restrictions out the ying yang, overpriced c***, stupid subscription services, etc.

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Glad

I'm glad Apple isn't bowing to the will of the RIAA and others.
Everybody else already said the problems with the music industry: one device only, restrictions out the ying yang, overpriced c***, stupid subscription services, etc.

OverclockedHomoSapien
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11/26, 05:42pm | report spam | close Reply |
Musicians are overpaid

Yeah, like I care about some overpaid f*** who recorded a single hit song, and lives off it for 5 years because CDs cost

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Hey hey

If musicians didn't make money, you'd have no music to steal. They'd all be accountants or something miserable like that because at least then they could survive. Shove your "musicians are overpaid" opinion up your pirating a**.

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I wonder....

How good of an accountant would Kid Rock be?

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Re: I wonder....

haha nice one

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11/26, 06:20pm | report spam | close Reply |
Music Restrictions

As long as record labels and music distributors continue to try to treat their customers and potential customers like criminals, their efforts will largely fail. Then they will use that failure to claim that people aren't interested in paying for digital music, and deep-six the whole effort.

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I won't pay for music

I don't think there's any purpose to having CDs or paying for them. RIAA's attitude is silly considering that music is freely available on the radio and on TV. Why do I have to foot the bill when I buy a CD?

It's time for the accountants, executives, lawyers and other lazy losers sucking profits off the artists' song sales to get fired from their jobs.

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11/26, 07:31pm | report spam | close Reply | delete
Uh, excuse me?

Have you actually listened to the whole Gorillaz album? "Clint Eastwood" is good, but it isn't close to being the best track. "Left handed Suzuki" and "Latin Simone" and "Rock the house" and "Dracula" and...more... :P

And with that, I say *P***** the big boys. Stealing from dead, disbanded and filthy-rich artists is ethical by my standards: The big boys won't profit from them. But please don't steal from the little guys...regardless of record company affiliation.

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Music Industry

Some of you need short lesson in Music Industry 101. I am qualified to speak in this area as a friend of mine is in the industry. Of course you have to take my word for this. :)

Most bands make very little money off of CD sales. CD sales initially go straight to the labels to pay for the cost of designing and printing the CD's (negligable), and to pay for promotion of the band (Major amounts of money involved here). The reason you hear about bands touring the world playing music until they are so sick of it they want to die is because that is what they have to do to make money. Now there are the remote few bands and individual singers who do make millions of dollars off of CD sales. These bands also often own their own label.

To some it up: CD sales, for the most part, go straight to the labels and the bands see very little of it. That is the truth of the matter. So don't get all riteous about the bands getting all of your money. Most bands are treated terribly by their labels. The music industry is cut throat. They want to make money and they are willing to s**** both the consumers and the bands that provide their product.

Jamie

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And the answer is no...

I did not proof read that. :)

Jamie

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The problem...

Following on from what Jamie has said about the current model of music promotion and distribution, the major labels persist in the belief that we (and the artists) need the labels to inform us about new music and upcoming artists. We do not.

There are enough information channels in the world (free to air TV, eclectic cable channels, magazines, web sites, word of mouth that now can span the world) the we do not need the major labels to tell us what to listen to.

The record companies (with mega dollars of promo money) are 'needed' to tell the world to buy the latest boy-band/girl-band/hybrid-band offerings. Good bands (i.e. bands that you and I like) will get exposure through any and all of these new media. What these bands need is for us to support them by buying their music at a reasonable cost outside the regular channels, e.g. independent record distributors. At the moment it's hard for me to buy 'off-beat' music (no pun intended :-) ) because of the cost of importing CDs into Oz. (The cost is usually above the wife-tolerance factor. Married men will understand this.)

Would it be that difficult to have a small operation in each capital city burning CDs on request, as well as printing a cover for them at a reasonable cost?

[Regular CD cost] - [expensive advertising + executive salaries] = Reasonable cost for consumers.

I can dream, can't I?

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Time to Revolt

Maybe it is time for the musician to have a Boston Tea Party;and have a revolution.
Musicians have a following and that's how you start one.
Bye the way does anybody know how much radio stations must pay to play a song?

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Re: Time to Revolt

Don't buy CDs. Don't buy records. All the money goes to suits, the scum of the earth. There's too many of them to count and they - those greedy, overpaid leeches - do NOTHING but shuffle papers and make life miserable for the rest of us.

DO buy concert tickets. This is how musicians make money and most bands will let you record the music to DAT at the venue. Listen to that. Post that on the net.

Take the money from the lawyers!

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11/26, 11:53pm | report spam | close Reply |
The good old days

I remember when bands toured to promote thier music. Now it seems they release 30 second sound samples and MTV videos to promote thier tours. I also find that many of todays music acts sound EXACTLY the same live as on the CD... Hmmmm, coincidence? People trashed Milli Vanilli for lip-synching but now they're flocking to Britany Spears. My, how times have changed.

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Re: Time to Revolt

boycott major labels. only buy music from a label that release music and not a product. a label that take care of their artists and don't s**** their dreams and music.

real music is supposed to be emotions in melody, not getting screwed buy a major!

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Intresting

I sort of agree with the majority here - but there is a major *but*. I create *content* myself, not music but photographs and videos. I need to get paid for what I create. No money, no food, no beer, and most importantly no DSL connection and no Mac.

If my work would appear on a P2P network I would be majorly pissed off. I created it, I worked for it, pay me what's mine.

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you people are disgusting

To all you music thieves out there...

I hope someone steals your work without paying for it and then uses the same rationalizations you use to justify what they do.

Just like those idiots in that band "Metallica". They taught two generations of kids to be rebellious and disrespect law, order, decency and good sense....until the punk kids they taught started stealing their music....then their attitude changed to "stop ripping us off, man." Hypocrites!

You want music? PAY the price the author is asking. If you don't like the price or the service, go to a competing author and patronize him. If you don't like any of them, then learn to pick a guitar and entertain yourself.

High price, poor quality, and bad service do not justify stealing the work of the artist. If you don't like it, don't buy it...and don't steal it either.

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Agreed

p2p is destroying the very foundation which has allowed musicians to build their funding in the first place. In the movie industry, you need an agent before your script can be used in a film. In the music industry you need a label before your music can be distributed. Sure you can spread your music by word of mouth, but very little money can be made that way. Now that CDs are cheap enough, why don't musicians make their own CDs and start a mailing list of people who want to buy their CDs. The music industry model is changing. Once there were no recordings and musicians had to go on tours to be heard. Ever wonder how Mozart got famous? He travelled all over Europe as a kid. p2p makes sense only if you want to sample music. True there is the argument if your CD gets scratched you have to buy a new one or find someone who has the CD. But then again, you should never sell that copy without giving money to the artist. It is their property. Sharing is one thing, stealing is another.

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The time for a new business model has come, music can now be distributed so cheaply it can no longer sustain the Mega Record Label of the past. Thats all their is to too it.

I remember having to pay $1.50 a minute to call Europe, now I can do it for $0.03 a minute, the world moves on.

Musicians need to add move value to their product by playing more. Maybe, just maybe, more people want to be musicians than consumers will support and they now need to provide something extra, or try something else.

Put your thinking caps on, because P2P is a revolution in your back yard.

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