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Dreamweaver 4 and Fireworks 4 now available

updated 12:27 pm EST, Mon November 27, 2000

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Macromedia today announced the immediate availability of the Dreamweaver 4 Fireworks 4 Studio, which bundles both Dreamweaver 4 and Fireworks 4 in a single environment that "unifies HTML code and graphics workflow and provides professional Web designers with an integrated authoring platform." Both the Studio ($450) and standalone versions of the products are available for download and purchase today from the Macromedia online store for $300 each. Dreamweaver and Fireworks customers can upgrade to the Studio for $200. Users upgrading standalone versions can upgrade to the latest version for $150 per product.

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Macromedia's Online stor

It looks like on Macromedia online store you can only download them and not buy the box version yet.

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Ultradev?

When is UltraDev going to be available? For that matter, why are they bothering with 2 different versions? UltraDev is just DW with database stuff thrown in. It seems redundant to sell two products.

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Re: timings

You're right, the fastest distribution route is through online purchase, and this is available today. You can still order boxed versions but the CDs need to be pressed, tested, boxed, palettized, and distributed, true.

(I expect that the trial versions should be online sometime next week... it takes a little bit to insert the trial wrapper software, create new installers, stage on the new site and test all. Localized versions should be following quickly too.)

Dreamweaver and UltraDev are intended for slightly different audiences... the latter creates dynamic data-driven pages, but the core Dreamweaver application is for those who create regular static HTML files.

Regards,
John Dowdell
Macromedia Tech Support

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Ultradev sucks

If you want to do Database stuff, you might as well us Visual Interdev in emulation, UltraDev sucks

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Well, a little

I thought that the UltraDev database connectivity on the Mac was underpowered in 1.0, but I hope it will be better in this version. Visual InterDev is pretty good for database stuff, but all the other features were awkward and difficult. Dreamweaver is the king of the hill for html, IMHO.

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OS X Compatability...

I want to upgrade, but I'm not forking over my money until they carbonize it. There is no reason this application isn't carbonized yet. They demonstrated Dreamweaver for OS X back in July at MWNY. Macromedia should at least be a bit more forthcoming with their timetable for OS X software releases, and whether or not they will be free upgrades to the people who already own the current shipping versions...

http://www.macosxcentric.com

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Interdev with Dreamweaver

Interdev in corrolation with Dreamweaver is the best IMO. You just do all the design in Dreamweaver, then open your pages in Interdev to add the database code. That's how we did MacMonkey.com

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Current Studio Owners

Get screwed. We have to pay the same $199 even though we paid for the full package in the beginning.

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dreamweaver online trial

dear macromedia, it would be a wonderful world if you had help files for your trial versions available for download. how can anyone really evaluate your software without the knowledge included in the help files? plus, in a business setting where someone is trying to justify the purchase of your products, demonstrating a practical and useful help system could be the clincher.

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Unreasonable upgrade cost

Perhaps it's just me, but I find that I'm spending $200 every year to upgrade to the latest, greatest version of applications all too often. The problem is that when you're using 25-30 applications intensively, it can add up to a h*** of alot of money. I'm looking at the feature set carefully before plunking down the cash for this one.

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Discretion

Here's Macromedia personnel posting helpful information and here are some of you treating this forum as lavatory stalls. Show some class and maybe we can have a closer relationship with those on the inside. Thanks for posting, Macromedia.

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CD and manual

If I buy the online version and check the $10 option for getting the CD and manual snailed to my address, what will it say on the label of the snailed package?

I'm asking because it makes a big difference with customs/tax whether it says $459 ($449 for the download and $10 for the snail), $10 (for the snail) or $0.

If it says $459 I would probably end up paying around around $150 extra in taxes/customs and have a total price of around $600. Also, if it says any price on the snailed package the delay in getting it will be much longer due to the paperwork = quite severe.

Maybe you could clarify this on the ordering page - exactly what kind of package you snail...

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DreamWeaver performance ?

I cant beleive how slow the Mac versions of DreamWeaver run in comparison to the PC versions !
What the #$%@! is going on Macromedia ? Porting your windoze code ? Too lazy to rewrite and optimize for the Mac ?
DreamWeaver runs like a slug on a 400Mhz powerbook !!!
It may be feature rich , but its performance is pathetic !

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Re: Discretion

I don't think anyone here has been terribly rude. People are complaining because they feel that they are being taken advantage of by Macromedia. I feel like I've been wronged by being forced to pay the same price for an upgrade even though I've paid for the entire studio once already, while someone using FireWorks can upgrade to the Studio for the same price.

What about software that I paid for that is dead? Fontographer, Xres, Extreme 3D, etc?

My other complaint is with serial numbers. And this is to Adobe also. I just got a new G4 and installed Director. Version 5 and up, so I could install version 8. (Thank God I've saved all my old software.) Why don't you (the software companies) just let us type in a previous serial number? This isn't deterring pirates, it's just ticking off the users who pay. And the extra money that is spent on all this fancy programming doesn't help. This year I've spent almost $20K on upgrading software. I'm not sure if it was all worth it.

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upgrades and ultradev

Here's a second on those serial numbers. Photoshop 6's upgrade really honked me off as I went looking for aged CDs (in my case, 4... Glad *I* keep most CDs, too, even though there were two major releases between that didn't need it!) -- at the least, have some process that allows me ot upgrade to a current, direct install serial number for a reasonable ($10?) fee online, I'm tired of having ot keep ten years of CDs just in case...

And why doesn't ultradev support PHP?

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The price of Upgrades

At the risk of incurring the wrath of the forum, $200 doesn't seem unreasonable, providing the upgrades add features and increase production. If they don't, why upgrade? Just keep working the way you have been and save your money. Take PhotoShop 5.5, if you used ImageReady then it was worth it but if not the $129 was sort of a waste. PS 6, however adds a great deal in terms of usability and I would recommend it my clients who use PS to make a living.
I will purchase the Suite upgrade but for others just download the Demo and see if it is worth it before judging it a rip-off

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re: various

Hmm, I'm sorry, I don't see my second reply in here, I must have made a posting error.

Yes, the free trial versions do include the full Help system. There are often printable versions available on the Macromedia site a few weeks after the initial releases too, but most folks prefer pre-printed/bound materials to printing themselves. YMMV.

For the packaging and local tax issues I'd have to defer to the folks on the sales lines, sorry... they know this better than I do.

For the slow PowerBook, my first hunch is whether there's some power-cycling going on, but I also suspect you'd see this in other areas. You can check in on general Dreamweaver questions in the macromedia.dreamweaver newsgroup, but for help in configuration-specific work each purchase includes one-on-one support consulting by phone or email. (Phone is often fastest for someone to ask you several questions quickly.)

For serialization, you can contact Macromedia Customer Service to check on an older serial number, assuming the license was registered after purchase... sometimes old CDs do get lost, true. (Dreamweaver and Fireworks 4.0 *upgrade* packages do require the presence of the older applications on that computer before the upgrade can be completed, though.)

And yup, I'd definitely recommend downloading the trial versions next week or so before committing... a new set of software options needs to offer you a good return on investment, and it's to the advantage of all concerned if each party feels like they got a good deal, thanks.

Regards,
John Dowdell
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The best

The best and gatest upgrade ever. Worth every single penny. DW is simply the best webdesign software in the world.

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Re: CD and Manual

When I ordered the CD and Docs along with my downloaded version of Flash 5.0, (which costs $15 BTW... the Dreamweaver Studio CD/Docs is a bargain at $10) when it arrived the invoice read $15 +tax +S/H totaling $21 and change.

Needless to say, this was my experience recently with a Macromedia product, ordered and shipped within the US, but YMMV...

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RE: PHP Support

Part of the problem with supporting PHP in UltraDev is the fact that it is an Open Source language - as is Perl, which makes keeping the product up-to-date more difficult. Future support is not out of the question, but supporting ASP (most popular App Server Model), JSP and ColdFusion covers a large percentage of the developer community. Also, Dreamweaver and DW UltraDev 'supports' - or doesn't not support - the use of PHP, Perl or any other server-side scripting, it just doesn't give you any visual tools or drag-n-drops to speed up or enhance the development process. You can use the code window to edit ascii text files - you just tell DW to ignore certain file extensions. Also, Macromedia packages Homesite and BBEdit with Dreamweaver.

Regarding the value of upgrading - just download the demos and see if the new features justify an upgrade. Split-view document windows that allow you to view code and design views at the same time, built-in O'Reilly reference manuals, layout-view mode for drawing out your tables and cells, tools for creating Flash text and buttons, are just some of the new features. Check it out.

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database "stuff"

For a truly easy way to add database stuff to Macromedia Dreamweaver, be sure to check out Blue World Lasso Studio for Dreamweaver. The November 2000 issue of Macworld magazine cites Lasso Studio as "the easiest way to create a database-driven Web site."

More at www.LassoStudio.com

Hope that helps.

Regards,

Blue World

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Dreamweaver 4 and Fireworks 4 now available

updated 12:27 pm EST, Mon November 27, 2000

Macromedia's Online stor

Ultradev?

Re: timings

Ultradev sucks

Well, a little

OS X Compatability...

Interdev with Dreamweaver

Current Studio Owners

dreamweaver online trial

Unreasonable upgrade cost

Discretion

CD and manual

DreamWeaver performance ?

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upgrades and ultradev

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The price of Upgrades

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