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After court loss, Samsung resumes patent talks with Apple

updated 10:31 pm EST, Sun December 29, 2013

Samsung and Apple get back to patent negotiations

After being roundly defeated in a partial damages retrial last month, Samsung has reportedly returned to the patent negotiations table with Apple. The Korea Times reported on Sunday that the two companies have resumed negotiations to resolve their ongoing patent disputes, with officials at the Fair Trade Commission saying the firms are looking to hash out issues surrounding royalties.

"As far as I know, the companies recently resumed working-level discussions toward the signing of a potential deal," the official said. "They are in the process of narrowing differences over royalty payments."

Samsung is hoping to sign a "cross-licensing" deal granting it access to numerous Apple design patents, some standard-essential patents, and other commercial patents. Apple, reportedly, is asking more than $30 per device due to patent violations, and Samsung thinks that figure is too high.

The companies previously agreed to present a settlement proposal to U.S. federal judge Lucy Koh before January 8. Heads of the companies have also met previously, with Samsung Electronics CEO Choi Gee-Sung meeting Apple CEO Tim Cook in San Francisco last year for 17 hours of discussions on the matter. That meeting, though, failed to produce a resolution, and the court cases have continued.

Apple has, of late, gotten the better of its South Korean rival, winning $290 million in damages in the recent retrial. That victory put Samsung on the hook for roughly $900 million, less than the initial $1.05 billion patent victory from last year, but still far more than Samsung had hoped to pay.

In addition to the damages retrial loss, Samsung was handed a setback in a German case, when a German court suspended its case against Apple, pointing out that the patent Samsung was claiming may be invalid. Encouraged by the retrial win, Apple filed a bid to renew injunction efforts against Samsung products violating some of its patents.

by MacNN Staff



  1. ElectroTech

    Junior Member

    Joined: 11-26-08

    Stick it to that Samsung patent thief, Apple.

  1. Charles Martin

    MacNN Editor

    Joined: 08-04-01

    Thanks for giving Apple the upper hand in negotiations, Samsung! Do you need your rear end handed to you in court a few MORE times before you agree to that $30 per device fee, or have you had enough yet? We might consider $29 ...

  1. LenE

    Fresh-Faced Recruit

    Joined: 05-19-04

    Nothing has changed. Samsung wants ability to use all of Apple's patents without cost, in exchange for the use of its own, largely worthless Standards Essential Patents, which Apple already gets and pays royalties for through buying licensed chips. A thoroughly inequitable offer that violates international anti-trust conventions.

    This whole incident, including the leaked reports of the "negotiation", is part of the kabuki dance of showing an effort to negotiate to the courts, before letting the next trial go forward. Samsung will not budge because it cannot be seen retreating from its initial position (loss of face), and Apple cannot cave as it would in-effect allow legal wholesale copying of all Apple products by Samsung.

  1. pairof9s

    Senior User

    Joined: 01-03-08

    Gotta agree w/ LenE...until an agreement is signed and/or Samsung pays the fines, then I wouldn't "negotiate" one penny off the $30. Samsung's history of continued resistance should give Apple no reason to feel it needs to negotiate until the Korean company pays its punishment.

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