""Video and iPod Out" aren't supported", hey, whoa etc what does that mean exactly? The video part is clear but "iPod out"? Does that mean that most docks and the adapters for cars etc that use the 30 pin connector will no longer work?

Another bit of evidence that Apple is losing its way:\

Originally Posted by hansmickle

Another bit of evidence that Apple is losing its way:\

I actually like it. It reminds me of Pleasure Island in Pinnochio. crApple has created the "Island" and these fans are soon to be made jackasses out of their "fun".... 1984 video is backwards as well... reminds me of break-free from your old master, yet, in subtle tones... "I am your salvation"... yet it is another trap. THIS STUFF IS TOO EASY

Guys, relax. This refers to analog video out (video) and L/R analog audio out (iPod out). There will be an HDMI dongle for the lightning connector.

No analog line out means that any car kit will have to include a D/A converter for audio, though.

Originally Posted by blahblahbber


I actually like it. It reminds me of Pleasure Island in Pinnochio. crApple has created the "Island" and these fans are soon to be made jackasses out of their "fun".... 1984 video is backwards as well... reminds me of break-free from your old master, yet, in subtle tones... "I am your salvation"... yet it is another trap. THIS STUFF IS TOO EASY

Your presence here remains an enigma to me.

Originally Posted by besson3c


Your presence here remains an enigma to me.

Thanks, it shall stay that way.

Close examination reveals the analog headphone jack is now located on the bottom of the phone. The design provides for an adapter which includes the analog left and right pins to implement connection to existing analog devices. One example of such an adapter is shown here:

http://ghaoui.com/blog/2012/08/possible-photo-of-ipad-mini-dock-connector-flex-cable-with-headphone-jack-at-bottom/

The details of Lightning have yet to come to light. In the keynote, direct reference was made to the feature allowing some of the digital pins to be application-configurable. Therefore, the 8-pin connector is really like a data bus and allows adapters of multiple types to be created: HDMI, SD card, etc. Just because Apple does not provide an HDMI adapter on day one, don't write it off. This is a highly flexible connection standard.

Originally Posted by Zanziboy

The details of Lightning have yet to come to light. In the keynote, direct reference was made to the feature allowing some of the digital pins to be application-configurable. Therefore, the 8-pin connector is really like a data bus and allows adapters of multiple types to be created: HDMI, SD card, etc. Just because Apple does not provide an HDMI adapter on day one, don't write it off. This is a highly flexible connection standard.

What it means is, digital content will be locked down for good. SIMPLE stuff... just like HDCP

Originally Posted by Zanziboy

Close examination reveals the analog headphone jack is now located on the bottom of the phone. The design provides for an adapter which includes the analog left and right pins to implement connection to existing analog devices. One example of such an adapter is shown here:
http://ghaoui.com/blog/2012/08/possible-photo-of-ipad-mini-dock-connector-flex-cable-with-headphone-jack-at-bottom/

That's not comforting at all. The sound that comes out of the headphone jack is not acceptable for inputting into an audio system.

If you want decent audio to go into your car stereo, an iPod Classic may be the only answer. For your home stereo, there's the Airport Express or Airplay. The iPod Classic is what I use in my car - I really hope they don't stop making it.

Originally Posted by blahblahbber

What it means is, digital content will be locked down for good. SIMPLE stuff... just like HDCP

You haven't the *slightest* clue how digital audio works, have you.

Originally Posted by elroth

[QUOTE=Zanziboy;4190489]Close examination reveals the analog headphone jack is now located on the bottom of the phone. The design provides for an adapter which includes the analog left and right pins to implement connection to existing analog devices. One example of such an adapter is shown here:
http://ghaoui.com/blog/2012/08/possible-photo-of-ipad-mini-dock-connector-flex-cable-with-headphone-jack-at-bottom/

That's not comforting at all. The sound that comes out of the headphone jack is not acceptable for inputting into an audio system.

If you want decent audio to go into your car stereo, an iPod Classic may be the only answer. For your home stereo, there's the Airport Express or Airplay. The iPod Classic is what I use in my car - I really hope they don't stop making it.[/quote]
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD823ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adapter

This adapter lets you connect devices with a Lightning connector to many of your 30-pin accessories.* Support for analog audio output, USB audio, as well as syncing and charging. Video output not supported.

There you go.

Any accessory makers will need to include a D/A converter, just as this adapter apparently does.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot


You haven't the *slightest* clue how digital audio works, have you.

yeah, sure please entertain for other's sake... I am sure fellow forum dwellers will want to learn about about how digital audio works (or not), just exclude me or I will have to flex some of my digital muscle. Ya don't want that seeee?

I will say, your assumption is over stepping my statement. All I'm saying is expect things to go digital to implement new/old CONTROLs over how the content is handshaked; if you paid attention, you'd realize that I am referring to DRM content.

Next time, get that knee checked. Hopefully, with your digital wit, you can pay for the exam. Just don't let it be a part of your setback.

Here's the math:

Lock + Digital = DRM

Your Welcome

iPod out is a headend control system it has nothing to do with audio out.

The adapter has a d/a converter and does provide line out. End of story nothing to see here.

Also, Apple stopped offering DRM'ed audio years ago.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Also, Apple stopped offering DRM'ed audio years ago.

right, we are now in the digital video age, streaming etc will be the norm. Stop avoiding common sense.