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Google, Oracle in deadlock over Android settlement talks

updated 09:25 pm EDT, Tue September 20, 2011

Google and Oracle have no deal in talks so far

The CEOs of Google and Oracle made no progress in forced settlement talks, tipsters from the courtroom mentioned Tuesday. Oracle's CEO, Larry Ellison, still insists that Google owes billions of dollars in Java licenses, AllThingsD heard. Google head Larry Page, meanwhile, believes the value is "excessive" and may be clinging to the view that Google may owe a much smaller $100 million.

Magistrate Judge Paul Grewal, who was specially ordered to oversee the mediation, has called for a second day of talks in hopes of averting a trial.

Google has gradually dropped its initial argument that it hadn't violated any copyrights or patents for Java and has instead tried to downplay the significance. Whether or not the court agrees is still uncertain, but the case's primary judge William Alsup allowed nearly every copyright claim of Oracle's to proceed despite a challenge.

If Oracle wins its ideal settlement or at trial, it could start collecting stiff royalties for each Android device sold and make it increasingly difficult for Google to compete while offering Android for free. It has portrayed itself as a victim of companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle trying to slow it down and hurt innovation. Countering arguments, however, have likened it to Microsoft in the past, using a monopoly in one area to price dump and give away for free what its rivals have to sell.

by MacNN Staff



  1. Geoduck

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Not much of a negotiation

    Oracle holds all the cards, and they know it. Google somehow thinks they can win in court or on appeal anyway. I think they're wrong.

    I'll get the popcorn. This'll be fun to watch.

  1. global.philosopher

    Joined: Dec 1969


    I like Googles stance...

    a thief takes something that does not belong to them and when caught by the owners offers to pay for the items at a price the thief decides upon. Might just go down to the local electronics store and see if it works for me.

  1. The Vicar

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Don't forget

    Google is the single largest spender on Congressional lobbying of all tech companies. I bet they're hoping to have a "remedy" rushed into law. Technically, it's not legal to retroactively alter laws, but it's not legal to torture or hold people prisoner without charging them with crimes, and we're already doing that. They're no doubt hoping that Congress will declare a moratorium on punishment of IP theft which occurred between 1995 and 2011 provided the perpetrator is a corporation whose name is six letters or shorter and begins with "G".

  1. dliup

    Joined: Dec 1969



    Oracle is NOT required to license it, in the unlikely chance that Google is successful to get a very low price for it.

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