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Kagi offers unauthorized VisualHub updater for Lion

updated 07:00 pm EDT, Tue August 16, 2011

Original developer cries foul


Kagi, the former payment processor for the video-converter software VisualHub, has opted to market a $5 "Lion upgrader" kit called vHub Updater that offers a polished installer for the original developer's own free patches to the program -- without permission or payment, says the original developer, Tyler Loch. The program, abandoned in 2008, won a devoted fan following that continues thanks to Loch's patches to make it work under Lion.

VisualHub (and its later companion program AudialHub) featured easy conversion from almost any format of video supported by the Mac to almost any other format, topped off with an interface that relied on presets for most jobs but allowed fine customization when needed, marked by humorous dialog boxes that satirized normal error and instructional messages. It originally sold for around $24, but was suddenly and mysteriously discontinued when the one-person company Techspansion (developer Tyler Loch, who built the app upon a foundation of open-source libraries) closed its doors in October 2008.

After some pressure from the community and customers who had recently bought the software, Loch relented, posted the source code and posted instructions on how alter VisualHub to disable its licensing for current users, though new users would have to find the original software on their own from the dwindling number of websites that hosted independent copies. Because it remained useful for years beyond its discontinuation, it remained a popular and highly-recommended option for easy video conversion despite being difficult to find.

Since 2008, a number of programs based on some portions of VisualHub's code have appeared, but even the developer himself admits that none of them have quite managed to recapture all the features and style that made VisualHub popular. Though the full source code of all Techspansion's products are available for updating to 2011 standards, serious efforts to develop a modernized successor appear to have stalled, and new competitors based on the ffmpeg libraries have emerged as replacements.

Shortly after Lion was released, a rare update appeared on Techspansion's website with instructions on how to modify VisualHub's application "package" and update the ffmpeg core it relies on to make the program work under Lion. What Kagi has essentially done with vHub Updater is repackage the modifications and links into a normal "installer" type program that, for a five dollar charge, automates the process for users uncomfortable with editing application packages or who were unaware of Loch's free option.

Kagi argues that it is merely offering support for customers Loch abandoned in 2008, and responding to customer complaints that the program they paid for in 2008 didn't work in Lion. Loch, for his part, says he gave no authorization to the company to make the vHub Updater program and that he does not receive any money from sales of the product.

Kagi says it did not ask for permission because Loch shuttered the company and ceased development years ago, also claiming that he did not respond to e-mail inquiries. Kagi does not mention Loch's free alternative method for updating VisualHub in its product description for vHub Updater.

Reached by MacWorld for comment, Loch says he was in contact with representatives of Kagi as recently as last month, but the company did not mention its plans to sell an updater for his program. On the Techspanion website, Loch says that Kagi's vHub Updater makes "unauthorized use of our copyrighted code" and that he did not consent to Kagi's use of Techspansion's customer contact list to solicit for its paid vHub Updater program.

Neither Loch or Kagi have offered to support or update the original VisualHub program beyond the current version of Lion (Apple may make changes in future versions that disallow 32-bit applications entirely, or forbid non-sandboxed apps). Loch remains hopeful that other developers will take his source code and update it into a genuine successor that will be supported going forward.

He is in contact with Kagi to try and resolve the matter. So far, Kagi has maintained that it is simply offering a service to users who are willing to pay for an easy way of keeping VisualHub working in Lion -- in fact, the updater makes a copy of the VisualHub application called "VisualHub Lion" during the process so the original, unpatched app is preserved. [via Macworld]




by MacNN Staff

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  1. macdude22

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    Joined: Nov 2001

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    Wow I was just going to buy this updater because I still have been using VisualHub and hadn't yet updated to Lion. The way the email from Kagi was worded the thing came from the original developer. This gets me in a real huff.

  1. chas_m

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    Joined: Aug 2001

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    Sleazy, but ...

    The use of the customer contact list is sleazy, but the actual updater itself (and price) are not really an issue IMHO. I doubt they're actually using any VH code, so there's not really a copyright issue there again IMO.

    The installer is really just a GUI wrapper on a manual procedure. Most of us have at least one program in our arsenal -- very often that we've paid for -- that essentially is the same thing (iFFMPEG, for example). If someone WANTS to pay $5 to make the Lion upgrade easy on themselves, I have no problem with that, and am just happy that Tyler kindly (and out of the blue) offered a way to update VH (and AudialHub as well, by the way) for Lion. But Kagi really should a) make it clear this is their own thing, not approved by the developer and b) link to the free alternative to make options available.

  1. OS2Guy

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    Kagi To Lose This Customer

    I do have a problem with Kagi's inappropriate action. I am a big proponent of VH, originally bought the program and have found nothing to replace it that is so easy and quick - and I edit video for a living. I did find the originator's instructions for adjusting the code and doing so was very easy. And I am a Kagi customer so I received the ad for the VH update and almost bought it believing it would end the error codes I still receive about the stiching no longer available and a second sometimes error that Lion does not support 32-bit applications. I was sorely disappointed when the author walked away from the program and wish he would return to upgrade VH to 64-bit. There isn't a video converter out there that I don't use or have tried and VH remains the best and easiest. Kagi has now lost this customer.

  1. elroth

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    Joined: Jul 2006

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    So that's what it is

    I really want to thank MacNN for this story, especially for covering it in such depth - good reporting.

    I held off buying vHub Updater from Kagi because Kagi did not list a developer, so I couldn't tell if it was a legitimate program.

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