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Nokia echoes Microsoft: Android, iPhone app ideas 'outdated'

updated 12:00 pm EDT, Wed August 10, 2011

Nokia argues WP7 app model superio to Android, iOS

Nokia's North America lead Chris Weber took quickly to shadowing Microsoft's perspective in an interview late Tuesday. He claimed that the app as a primary concept on Android and iPhone devices was "outdated." Apple had largely established a concept of frequently jumping in and out, but Google "commoditized it" without really changing anything, he told VentureBeat in the chat.

Again repeating Microsoft's point of view, he argued that Windows Phone was better through its concepts of live tiles and themed hubs, where users can either check information from the home screen alone or can accomplish what would normally take multiple apps, such as reaching a contact through Facebook and text messaging. On Android and iOS, the icons are static, and some of the information is put into silos.

Mango will build on this with live tiles that jump directly to certain parts of an app or hub. Voice commands also allow completely hands-off voice commands and text-to-speech.

The commends come in spite of Microsoft's concept so far failing to have any meaningful impact. Windows Phone has so far done little to stop share losses as most Windows Mobile users have preferred to switch to Android or iPhones rather than stay loyal to Microsoft. Many have seen the deal with a Nokia as an effective attempt to buy market share where it couldn't achieve the same with HTC, LG, Samsung, and others.

Nokia is mostly hinging its Windows Phone success on its reputation for hardware, such as its high-powered cameras. Its sheer size as a phone maker may also help, although it has been dwindling in that area as budget Chinese phones and low-end Android have taken away from its footprint.

Weber's comments are at least partly determined by necessity. Nokia is dropping all Symbian in the US and will only have Windows Phone to sell, leaving him little choice but to endorse Microsoft.

by MacNN Staff



  1. woodsmanlw

    Joined: Dec 1969


    The market will speak

    People will go for the app model or the live panel model, either way the market will speak. What is technologically better may not be what people want. In addition there is more to it than just the software. There is an entire ecosystem involved with hardware, software, delivery mechanisms etc. The market will decide based on these plus factors like cost, ease of use, etc. Sure it was good for Nokia to kill Symbian but its choice of Winmobile as a winner is yet to be seen (and from the current trend its not looking good).

  1. facebook_Allan

    Via Facebook

    Joined: Aug 2011


    That's so funny

    The truth is that Nokia and Microsoft are the "outdated" ones. They always copied and played catch up. If they have been innovative at all, it's barely noticeable.

  1. facebook_Donald

    Via Facebook

    Joined: Aug 2011


    Doesn't Matter

    I agree with woosmanlw. Betamax was arguably better than VHS. The Mac OS was arguably better than Windows. Marketing, advertising, and publicity made the VHS and Windows more desired than Betamax and the Mac. Beta died and the Mac almost died even though they were better. It doesn't matter if, by Chris Weber's obviously subjective beliefs, Windows Phone is "better." What matters is what people want and will buy. And people don't want Windows Phone. Bzzzz. Sorry. Try again?

  1. The Vicar

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Oooh, yes!

    Dunno about you, but what I want from a tablet or phone is for it to run all its programs all the time all at once, and put the output into subsections of a screen which is already small. I certainly don't mind if it means the battery lasts about 20 minutes!

  1. aristotles

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Yes, square tiles are obviously superior. NOT!

    The whole square tile concept was seen on various websites in the past. It is not new or innovative. They just have made an uglier widget that is square instead of an arbitrary shape. Widgets are a nice thing to have but they are not a replacement for a full fledged program nor should they be used as a replacement for an icon.

  1. Jeronimo2000

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Wow, that's rich...

    ... coming from someone who's leading a company that just screams "outdated" with everything they have done in the past couple of years.

  1. blshaw

    Joined: Dec 1969



    Another brilliant, insightful observation by yet another looser in the technology marketplace (of the Steve Balmer ilk; now there's a genius!). When you can't innovate, you copy. When you can't copy, disparage the leader. Let's see: according to CNN yesterday, Apple and Exxon/Mobile were alternating back and forth all day as the highest capitalized company ON THE PLANET! How can that possibly be the case if the only people buying Apple products are ignorant lemmings who can't appreciate how superior Windoze Phone is? Answer: Apple's customers are not ignorant lemmings. They are thoughtful, knowledgable, discerning shoppers. They won't buy c***.

  1. BigMac2

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Tiles interface better?

    Microsoft have much to prove on their Metro UI. It is elegant for sure, but I wonder how well it will play when third party will start to fill those screen with bad design. In my sense, the iPhone and Android OS do a much better job for Apps centric application while Microsoft try to make a appliance OS where everything is mashed in their home screen.

  1. testudo

    Joined: Dec 1969


    he's right

    The 'app' model has been outdated for years. Unfortunately no one wants to change. Apple tried with OpenDoc back in the early 90s, but it never took off.

    The model should be more concerned with "what am I trying to do?" not "what app do I need to run to do what I want to do?"

    However, I doubt this guy has the answer, either. Apple's answer on OS X is apparently "The user wants their computer to act like their iPhone". Don't think that's the answer either.

  1. coffeetime

    Joined: Dec 1969


    This is like...

    Palm all over again.

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