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Intuit's Patzer hints Apple might license Rosetta

updated 11:15 pm EDT, Thu June 16, 2011

Could bring new life to older versions of Quicken

Though Apple has made no formal announcement, Lion as it stands will ship without Rosetta, the transitional libraries that allowed Carbon-based PowerPC apps to continue to work with Intel Macs running Snow Leopard. Older apps that have never updated to the Cocoa frameworks, such as AppleWorks, will finally cease to function in the new operating system. Intuit's Aaron Patzer has hinted that Rosetta might possibly live on, The Mac Observer reports.

Although Intuit has already addressed the Snow Leopard and Lion compatibility issues with their recent edition of Quicken Essentials for Mac, the new program was less full-featured than the previous Quicken offered for Mac, Quicken 2007. The company has not tried to update the older Quicken, Patzer explains, because the codebase is decades old and would essentially require a complete starting over, an investment the company was unwilling to make.

Patzer, also known for his finance web app, is described in the report as a passionate Mac advocate. Although the Quicken Essentials product sold well, many Quicken Mac customers resorted to sticking with the older version -- primarily because of two main features missing from the Essential version: bill pay and investment tracking. Patzer's Mint service, originally conceived as an online alternative to home-finance apps, also drew a devoted following -- but was not able to read Quicken data (though Patzer says that will change early next year).

In the discussion with writer Dave Hamilton, Patzer mentioned that Intuit had been working closely with Apple "for the past few months" on a plan to possibly embed specific Rosetta libraries into an updated Quicken for Mac 2007 which would allow it to work under Lion. Patzer cautioned, however, that even this project would be "complex," and may never come to pass. He was hopeful that an announcement could be made one way or the other by the end of the summer.

Patzer's comments suggest that there is little technical reason why Apple couldn't include Rosetta with Lion -- apart from the company's desire for users to update to modern technologies and frameworks for the best experience and performance in current systems. It also implies that Apple may be interested in licensing the technology to select companies that would otherwise be unable to offer full 64-bit versions of their apps in the near-term, a goal Apple wants developers to move to as quickly as possible. The company has made it clear to developers for years that Rosetta was a transitional bridge with a limited lifespan, and was only included as an optional install in Snow Leopard for those who needed it.

Apple's focus on 64-bit computing is also the reason why the Core Duo (not to be confused with "Core 2 Duo") and Core Solo Intel chips the company briefly used in some MacBook, MacBook Pro, iMac and Mac mini models are also not supported in Lion, as those chips are 32-bit only and incapable of running fully 64-bit applications. [via The Mac Observer]

by MacNN Staff





  1. Arty50

    Joined: Dec 1969


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    Dear god, no!!! Please don't encourage Intuit to be continually lazy with the Mac version of Quicken.

  1. dmsimmer

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Adobe too

    Adobe refuses to update Photoshop to cocoa as well. And boy, do I enjoy Pixelmator! The first chance I see, I dump Intuit.

  1. Jeronimo2000

    Joined: Dec 1969


    I was confused there for a second

    "Patzer" is the German word for "gaffe" or "f*ck-up"... how very appropriate. :)

  1. phillymjs

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Intuit should be ashamed

    Their current Mac Quicken offering is so terrible that most people elect to stick with older versions. Intuit shouldn't be relieved that they may have a way out of this issue, they should be ashamed that there's an issue at all.

    Apple shouldn't help them when they've offered lackluster Mac products for decades, Apple should find another Mac finance app and wholly endorse it, maybe even invest in the developer of it.

    I honestly don't know why Jobs never did anything about the Intuit situation, especially when Intuit's former CEO and current CoB sits on Apple's board. People have their whole lives in Quicken, and besides the lack of feature parity between platforms, migrating data from Windows Quicken to Mac Quicken was never a painless process. I wonder how many would-be Mac switchers stuck with Windows because of Intuit.

    They're a bunch of lazy suck-monkeys, and I say to h*** with them. I'm still switching from Quicken to something else, even if Apple does bail their pathetic asses out.

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  1. facebook_Clarence

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    You've gotta love Mac OS. No good financial software, a watered down version of Office. Apple's own iWork is a joke, and Adobe apps crash all the time. Oh, and there are no games.

    Windows for life!

  1. efithian

    Joined: Dec 1969



    I switched to iBank three months ago and haven't looked back. Quicken data from the last 21 years was quickly converted to iBank. Account updates are one click for all electronic accounts, and a built in web browser that downloads all data into the accounts. Reconciling accounts is easy, categories can have icons you supply, and the interface is mac-like, not intuit-like.

  1. bobolicious

    Joined: Dec 1969


    re: Intuit should be ashamed


    I recently felt held prisoner to 3 versions of Quickbooks Pro none of which could operate in Snow Leopard as advertised - and no transaction export options like (for example) MoneyWorks

    ...however Apple by NOT OFFERING ROSETTA for Lion will further impair the MacOS from working functionally in a business environment - don't get me wrong I think the mac is the better option generally forced migrations can cripple rather than help a business ???

    There is a reason Windows users are still able to buy & use XP... And PC hardware continues to be sold.

    Enter QTVR - Apple YOU should be ashamed - core functionality silently sunsetted / abandoned?

  1. joecab

    Joined: Dec 1969


    you all know this?

    Intuit's Chairman of the Board Bill Campbell also sits on Apple's Board of Directors, right?

  1. hayesk

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Does Apple own Rosetta?

    Wasn't Rosetta licensed by Apple from someone else? Is this just a cost cutting move?

  1. facebook_Eric

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    Joined: Jun 2011


    Photoshop is Cocoa

    Adobe went Cocoa for Photoshop with CS5. And that was Apple's doing, though it meant CS4 was not 64 bit. Apple had to pull the 64 bit Carbon libraries that forced a rewrite of Photoshop to Cocoa earlier than Adobe had planned to.

    But give them credit, Adobe has converted their pro apps to 64 bit and Cocoa faster than Apple did.

    As for Intuit, it was their cluelessness that caused them to not get with the program quicker. Ironic, no?

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