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Publishers react to Steve Jobs' opposition to Flash

updated 06:40 pm EDT, Fri March 26, 2010

Lack of Flash support frustrates companies


A number of publishers have reacted to reports of Steve Jobs' Flash-bashing comments. The Apple CEO allegedly compared the lack of Flash support on the iPad to the company's decision behind eliminating the floppy drive from the iMac. The technology was also labeled a security risk and "CPU hog," while converting Flash material to HTML5 was said by Jobs to be "trivial."

Publishers and developers have sent a variety of e-mail responses to Gawker in the time since the original story broke. "For Jobs to have said what he's said genuiney flies in the face of common sense and I'd sadly have to describe [him] as naive," quipped a creative director at an Ad Age Top 50 Interactive Agency.

"It requires broad changes across multiple properties," said an online producer for an unnamed medium-sized newspaper. "Also, using Flash for interactive graphics is irreplaceable. Not just slideshows, but special section graphics and interactive presentations can be embedded on story pages quickly and easily."

"Steve is not addressing the fact that the web world is a plethora of mostly inexperienced scaffolding and experimental jumble fused together as an overnight crunch to satisfy demanding clientelle," said a freelance designer. "Not everyone has a team of experts working full-time to adhere to the perfection which Mr. Mac's of engineers offer..."

Despite the criticism, most publishers are attempting to work around Apple's terms. National Public Radio and the Wall Street Journal are both working to create iPad-optimized versions of their websites, without using Flash. Adobe also offers a Packager utility that automatically converts Flash-based apps to code allowed on an iPhone, although Apple's feud with the company leaves many publishers nervous that the Packager might be banned.


by MacNN Staff

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  1. Arty50

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    Joined: May 2000

    +11

    Translation

    We are lazy. Don't make us actually work.

    "Steve is not addressing the fact that the web world is a plethora of mostly inexperienced scaffolding and experimental jumble fused together as an overnight crunch to satisfy demanding clientelle," said a freelance designer. "Not everyone has a team of experts working full-time to adhere to the perfection which Mr. Mac's of engineers offer..."

    We produce c***. Get over it.

  1. MyRightEye

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    Can I stop laughing now??

    "I'd sadly have to describe [him] as naive"

  1. Mr. Fartleberry

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    Flash is Trash

    Flash is Trash for challenged minds. Visual baloney. One of those things that should never have been invented.

  1. charlituna

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    the answer is simple

    Legally Jobs doesn't have to support Flash.
    and Legally you don't have to support the ipad/iphone/touch

    so if you don't want to do the work, don't. but don't whine when you miss out on a huge and hungry audience, cause it could happen.

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  1. facebook_Cristiano

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    A Big mistake

    An iPad without Flash could be a big mistake for Apple. In my opinion the iPad will be a great success, but a lot of basic users, will complain with Apple after they will find out that the great new shiny gadget they just bought, can't show properly a big number of web sites.

    I can see in my mind long lines of people at the Apple stores, asking why they can't see properly tons of sites... and asking for a fix...

    On an iPhone the Flash issue is not a big deal, the web experience that the iPhone achieved was far superior than the previous smartphones. On the iPad people will expect the same experience they have on notebook/netbook/pc. Only few sites will be able to convert to HTML5 quickly. I run a web design company and a lot of my clients still have old designed web site and they DON'T plan to redesign for just a new device. Steve Jobs should try to surf the web and check some Hotels (independents), where flash is heavily used... he will miss a lot of stuff...

    When Apple removed the floppy from the iMac I was thinking they were right, not this time. I hope they will fix this issue quickly.

    I agree with Jobs that Flash is slow and buggy. But he should give users an option to decide to install it or not.

  1. eldarkus

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    @facebook_Cristiano

    "I agree with Jobs that Flash is slow and buggy. But he should give users an option to decide to install it or not."

    if it's slow and buggy, it could cause a bad user experience with the iPad/iPhone. Would Honda use a slow and buggy (insert car part here) in their car just to satisfy some drivers?

    It degrades the overall experience. What if they found that Flash crashed the Safari browser on the iPad say 10-20% of the time? that is something the average user would not want to see... and Apple would not be able to just blame Flash at that point. They would take the brunt of the dissatisfied customers.

  1. WiseWeasel

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    Bah

    Regardless of Apple's motives, I'm glad they're selling popular web-browsing products that don't support Flash. Sure, there's some pain all around, and there are no tools that can currently replace the Flash design environments for HTML5. All this is definitely true, and it's scary for people invested in a Flash workflow. But the fact remains that Flash is a proprietary standard completely controlled by Adobe, and the runtime is currently and historically highly buggy on most platforms it supports. So obviously, Adobe is incapable of shouldering this responsibility, and Flash as a web platform needs to be marginalized. All Apple is doing is creating a market demand for tools that will eventually make HTML5 development as easy as Flash is. For those that depend on Flash, your pain is understood, but for the good of everyone on every web-using platform, we need to move beyond relying on this closed browser plug-in for essential web functionality.

  1. Geoduck

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    Give it a few years.

    The floppy was eliminated in the iMac. At first there were howls of protest from developers and pundits. Within about 7 years it got really hard to find a computer WITH a floppy or software that came on a floppy. The same thing will happen with Flash. Howls of protest and it may well be a problem for a few years. But in 3 years it will be just an annoyance for most, within 5 years it will be a non issue for most and within 7 it'll be hard to find anyone who CAN code Flash.

  1. George3

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    Hey Publishers

    What is your reaction to users that Hate Flash? and don't want it. I don't run it in Safari - unless I want to. I personally don't want to see flash ads flipping and blinking and generally annoying me while I'm trying to read your articles.

    As far as slide shows ... use something else.

    my biggest complaint about flash ads - you can't stop them if they are running. That is the worst.

  1. Constable Odo

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    Joined: Aug 2007

    +12

    I don't hate Flash but I've seen it

    used to excess on many sites which make it slow to load if you don't have good bandwidth. With ClickToFlash on Safari I do have an option to load sites I find useful. I wish that Apple's mobile platform had that option, but it doesn't and that's all there is to it. All my griping is not going to change a thing. So I'm pushing toward alternate ways to display content which would seem to be a good solution although it will take site developers time and money to do so.

    I'm not sure if Steve's motives are pure as to merely security and bugginess of Flash. I have had Flash sites crash on me a few times with the error message saying it's the Flash plug-in. It probably is true, but I'm sure he wants to do things his own way, as usual and direct users to the app store when it comes to games. As an investor, as long as the company is making money from his decisions, then I'll go along.

    I wonder if a lot of iPad users will complain about Flash sites not loading. That will be a problem but many iPhone and Touch users seem to be managing. But if iPad users become that upset, they can always return the iPad and get something else. I doubt many will but that's just my opinion. There's just too many other things the iPad will have going for it for lack of Flash support to be a deal-breaker for purchasers.

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