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Mac OS X 10.5.7 producing install, graphics issues

updated 09:30 am EDT, Fri May 15, 2009

Mac OS X 10.5.7 issues

Leopard owners upgrading to Mac OS X 10.5.7 have been experiencing critical errors, discussions on Apple's support forums show. At times problems have begun as early as installation, with digital signatures being registered as invalid despite multiple download attempts. Other users have reported subsequent looping errors, which may require powering down a system and rebooting one or more times before control can be regained.

Those making it past early errors are reporting further problems, such as missing external disks and altered display resolutions. Troubleshooting measures are said to exist however, such as a five-step process to cope with looping, and a PRAM reset to fix resolutions. Regarding digital signatures, it is suggested that those affected directly download the comprehensive Combo Update instead of relying on Leopard's Software Update function.

VMware has meanwhile advised against updating to v10.5.7 if using an ATI graphics card and running 3D Windows applications through Fusion. The ATI driver in the v10.5.7 is said to break Fusion's 3D acceleration, triggering issues such as slow speed, bad rendering or outright crashes. Apple and ATI have acknowledged the matter and are collaborating on an update; VMware notes, though, that Fusion owners can continue to use v10.5.7 so long as they only load 2D Windows applications.

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legacyb4
Mac Elite

Joined: May 2001

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05/15, 09:48am | report spam | close Reply |
No problems here

Weird, I only had a single reboot for the update followed by another boot for the new Safari beta.

Go figure.

bobolicious
Junior Member

Joined: Aug 2002

-3

05/15, 09:51am | report spam | (1 reply) close Reply |
10.5 has been trouble...

...and while my own system seems to be more stable I would suggest Apple needs to get 10.5 fully fixed ASAP before they put any more resources into 10.6...

I am still debating downgrading to 10.4.11 which worked beautifully for me, and Apple hardware limitations forcing migration are tempering my enthusiasm for any further Mac upgrades...

mullum
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Joined: Oct 2007

+7

05/15, 10:01am | report spam | (2 replies) close Reply |
the ostrich approach

to bury your head in the sand and stop applying updates forever more, is frankly, cutting off your nose to spite your face. Sure, its a game we are forced to play, but to try to beat the update/upgrade cycle by sticking your fingers in your ears and going "la la la la", is futile.

Zaren
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+2

05/15, 10:22am | report spam | close Reply |
Remote?

Anyone else lose the use of their infrared remote? Mine stopped working on the iMac we use for 'Net radio in our office; the option's totally missing from the Security prefpane.

b9robot
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+14

05/15, 10:57am | report spam | (1 reply) close Reply |
Ran combo Update no prob.

Instead of using the auto update, I went to apple.com/support and clicked on Leopard which brought me to the leopard page. There you can find the combo 10.5.7 update in the right upper corner. Downloaded that. Ran disk permissions check and made sure I quit all applications. Then ran the installer restarted everything working trouble free. No problems what so ever. Macfixit.com always recommends using the combo updater when going to the next rev of the OS. Also if you are experiencing problems run the combo updater which most of the times will correct the issues that you are having as well. Also remember if you used some app that modified your OS, then that might be the cause of your troubles too.

dpicardi
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Joined: Sep 2006

+9

05/15, 11:03am | report spam | close Reply |
The good rule of thumb...

Is to always reboot before doing any installs. And most importantly, always wait at least a week and read some boards to see if there are any major issues. I have noticed several times where an initial releases are buggy but get fixed within a week.

Grrr
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Joined: Jun 2001

+1

05/15, 11:16am | report spam | close Reply |
�

Far from Apples slickest of updates.
I had some pretty serious issues installing this on both my Macs.
Initial download was very slow, and then gave me some error anyway. Combo update got around both those issues. But then when installing, both computers locked up with a bluescreen. Multiple restarts seem to get around that eventually.
Its all good now though, but still.. This is a bit shabby for Apple.

Paul Huang
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Joined: Sep 1999

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05/15, 11:50am | report spam | close Reply |
Nothing new

As with all prior updaters, this one was destined to be posted and then withdrawn. No surprise.

Alpha KrAppWare on top of Beta JunkWare.

Hose it down, please

JeffHarris
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05/15, 12:00pm | report spam | close Reply |
Do it Right!

b9robot is correct, ALWAYS download and update using the Combo updater. Yeah, they're twice the size, but you'll have fewer problems.

When doing a system update...

A. Run Cocktail (or Onyx) to clear caches, fix permissions, etc.
B. Run Disk Warrior to repair the disk directory.
C. Clone my (then) current boot drive to an external FireWire drive with SuperDuper! (or CarbonCopyCloner). So, if the update does EVIL, I can restore to a working system.

THEN run the Combo Updater.

When Rebooting after running the update, I zap the PRAM, too!
Yes, it takes extra time, but I RARELY have problems!

Oh yeah, 10.5.7 fixed a nagging sleep issue I'd been having with my MacBook Pro! Otherwise no other problems. YAY!!!

The internal display would shut off after waking it up. All I had to do was hit the screen brightness button, but still annoying.

zl9600
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05/15, 12:14pm | report spam | close Reply |
Do it right-second that

I just updated this morning via Software Update; figured I'd wait a few days for the expected article saying there are problems (WHEN has there been a release that worked perfectly for EVERYONE?)

I always cross my fingers before every update. BUT I minimize the risk by using Cocktail before major updates, by repairing disk permissions before and after every single software update no matter what application, and yes, Disk Warrior, PRAM, and even the super duper route are certainly even further safeguards.

I've yet to have a problem with ANY 10.5 update. I would not recommend downgrading without examining other potential issues first and some heavy re-install and disk warrior action to start from scratch with 10.5

zl9600
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05/15, 12:15pm | report spam | close Reply |
Do it right-second that

I just updated this morning via Software Update; figured I'd wait a few days for the expected article saying there are problems (WHEN has there been a release that worked perfectly for EVERYONE?)

I always cross my fingers before every update. BUT I minimize the risk by using Cocktail before major updates, by repairing disk permissions before and after every single software update no matter what application, and yes, Disk Warrior, PRAM, and even the super duper route are certainly even further safeguards.

I've yet to have a problem with ANY 10.5 update. I would not recommend downgrading without examining other potential issues first and some heavy re-install and disk warrior action to start from scratch with 10.5

zl9600
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05/15, 12:15pm | report spam | close Reply |
Do it right-second that

I just updated this morning via Software Update; figured I'd wait a few days for the expected article saying there are problems (WHEN has there been a release that worked perfectly for EVERYONE?)

I always cross my fingers before every update. BUT I minimize the risk by using Cocktail before major updates, by repairing disk permissions before and after every single software update no matter what application, and yes, Disk Warrior, PRAM, and even the super duper route are certainly even further safeguards.

I've yet to have a problem with ANY 10.5 update. I would not recommend downgrading without examining other potential issues first and some heavy re-install and disk warrior action to start from scratch with 10.5

chucker
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05/15, 12:34pm | report spam | close Reply |
sleep problem fixed

it seems 10.5.7 fixed a deep sleep problem on my macbook which appeared somewhere around 10.5.5

Before that I don't think I have ever had any problems on any mac update in the last 20 years of using macs on maybe more than 10 machines and no, I never did any of the repairing permissions, nor disk checks - to be honest, I've even given up making back-ups right before an update - am I really that lucky?

archer75
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05/15, 12:36pm | report spam | close Reply |
no problem here either.

Had no problem updating my hackintosh wtih the combo update.

testudo
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05/15, 12:55pm | report spam | (1 reply) close Reply |
combo update

Yeah, I can see the Windows commercial now. "And have you seen the recommended way to apply a maintenance update to the system? Reboot the computer. Run some third-party utility to repair disk permissions, clear your system caches, run daily/weekly/monthly scripts, and who knows what else. Then reboot again. Then, whatever you do, DON'T use Apple's Auto update feature, but go to Apple's web site. Do a search on the support page and download the combo update. Make sure it is the correct one for your machine, too. Then, after the 700 MB update is downloaded.... What? Yes, 700 MB.... double-click the file to launch the installer and install the update. Then, after it reboots a couple of times automatically, zap your PRAM... No, I don't know the instructions on doing that. Something about holding power buttons down or something.... then run your utilities again to repair disk permissions and other stuff.

And that's it. You're done. Real simple too... What? No, I don't know why, if this is the recommended route that Apple doesn't automatically do all that for you. That's just Apple being Apple. Anyway, haven't you heard? They're on the brink of bankruptcy and going out of business..."

Grrr
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05/15, 01:07pm | report spam | close Reply |
testudo..

My sentiments exactly..
I've used OS X regularly since 10.1 and never had any problems updating normally via the software update control panel. 10.5.7 was a different matter entirely however..
If you guys are going to go to all that hassle (as mentioned above) it somewhat defeats the object of having a Mac.
I have Macs because thats exactly the kind of hassle I wanted to stay away from.

PS, Minus points on my previous post for agreeing with the article and that this update is less than stellar? Err, ok!

aristotles
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05/15, 01:30pm | report spam | close Reply |
Problem? What problems?

I have yet to have a single problem with an OS X update since 10.2 aside for bugs which were later fixed in updates. I experienced no problems on my latest mac (iMac 24") upgrading from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7. I performed no preparation beforehand. Do I just live a charmed life?

bobolicious
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05/15, 02:05pm | report spam | close Reply |
A universal install...

...might aid in hardware upgrade sales - rather than the plethora of hardware specific OSs shipped one might assume to prevent OS copying, but the migration utility was suspect in my experience of 10.5 & if I buy a pricey SSD I would simply rather swap it to that quad core laptop that may ship in the fall, rather than reconfig & 'plug & pray'...

mgpalma
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05/15, 02:22pm | report spam | close Reply |
Combo Update not without

issues.

I ran the combo updater on my 24" iMac and 15" MacBook Pro and had to power them down afterwards as their were stuck on the install finished screen. Yes I waited a while. I powered them both back up and they rebooted 2 or 3 times and have functioned fine ever since. Weird.

mgpalma
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05/15, 02:25pm | report spam | close Reply |
Combo Update not without

issues.

I ran the combo updater on my 24" iMac and 15" MacBook Pro and had to power them down afterwards as their were stuck on the install finished screen. Yes I waited a while. I powered them both back up and they rebooted 2 or 3 times and have functioned fine ever since. Weird.

themacjedicali
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05/15, 10:06pm | report spam | close Reply |
GP

Yes yes, let the guinnea pigs do my bidding (rubs hands together). I still don't see why Micro$opht doenst capitalize on all the issues with Leopard. They need to make the same kind of ads apple does and let Apple get their collective asses in gear and stop pretending their systems are perfect. please vote me down if you agree. Also, all microsoft would have to do is create an ad saying "Hey mac can you play this Blue ray movie?" and then watch mac with its blank stare

themacjedicali
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05/15, 10:07pm | report spam | close Reply |
GP

Yes yes, let the guinnea pigs do my bidding (rubs hands together). I still don't see why Micro$opht doenst capitalize on all the issues with Leopard. They need to make the same kind of ads apple does and let Apple get their collective asses in gear and stop pretending their systems are perfect. please vote me down if you agree. Also, all microsoft would have to do is create an ad saying "Hey mac can you play this Blue ray movie?" and then watch mac with its blank stare

popheader
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05/16, 10:14pm | report spam | close Reply |
No Problems here

I always just run the software update tool and have never had a problem. I'm not sure if these reports of problems are a result of people running third party add ons or what, but I always make sure all other apps are closed before I run software update. Knocking on wood :)

bigpoppa206
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05/17, 12:05am | report spam | close Reply |
re: bobolicious

You crack me up. Fix 10.5 before using resources on 10.6. 10.6 is almost DONE! Here's hoping Snow Leopard wipes the 10.5 floor and we all can move on.

010111
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05/18, 06:43pm | report spam | close Reply |
no problems.

10.5.7 has actually been the easiest and most problem free update in quite some time for me.

i did 2 machines using the downloaded combo updater... and 20 just using the locally hosted Software Update server. a few being 10.5.7 Server.

no problems except one on my personal MacBook (had to reset my password). and so far i don't think it is even 10.5.7 related but rather a conflict with some of the various junk i have on my machine that no other clients have.

i have actually been commenting on this being the best update in awhile... and wouldn't have even guessed problems existed if i hadn't seen this article.

resuna
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05/18, 07:19pm | report spam | close Reply |
macbook pro, mac mini g4

My MBP updated with one reboot. My mac mini G4 took 3 and I thought it was in a loop... but after the third reboot it was fine.

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Mac OS X 10.5.7 producing install, graphics issues

updated 09:30 am EDT, Fri May 15, 2009

Mac OS X 10.5.7 issues

No problems here

10.5 has been trouble...

the ostrich approach

Remote?

Ran combo Update no prob.

The good rule of thumb...

�

Nothing new

Do it Right!

Do it right-second that

Do it right-second that

Do it right-second that

sleep problem fixed

no problem here either.

combo update

testudo..

Problem? What problems?

A universal install...

Combo Update not without

Combo Update not without

GP

GP

No Problems here

re: bobolicious

no problems.

macbook pro, mac mini g4

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Mac OS X 10.5.7 producing install, graphics issues

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No problems here

10.5 has been trouble...

the ostrich approach

Remote?

Ran combo Update no prob.

The good rule of thumb...

�

Nothing new

Do it Right!

Do it right-second that

Do it right-second that

Do it right-second that

sleep problem fixed

no problem here either.

combo update

testudo..

Problem? What problems?

A universal install...

Combo Update not without

Combo Update not without

GP

GP

No Problems here

re: bobolicious

no problems.

macbook pro, mac mini g4

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