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AAPL Stock: 502.12 ( -0.09 )

Apple Q2 results forecast to top guidance, consensus

updated 03:55 pm EDT, Mon April 20, 2009

Kaufman AAPL Q2 preview


Scheduled to announce the details late Wednesday, Apple should do fairly well in its second fiscal quarter for 2009, argues Kaufman Bros. analyst Shaw Wu. Low components prices are forecast to push gross margin beyond a guided 32.5 percent, which in turn is prompting Kaufman to raise its other estimates. Assuming a margin of 33.5 percent, Apple is expected to show $8 billion in revenue, producing EPS of $1.13.

The figure compares with a consensus view of $1.09 in EPS on $7.9 billion, and official Apple guidance of 90 cents to $1 in EPS on $7.8 to $8 billion in revenue. Aiding the company aside from margin may be unexpectedly healthy sales, given the context of a global recession. Mac shipments are now being pegged at 2.3 million instead of 2.2, while iPod numbers may hit 10 million rather than 9.8. iPhone predictions are currently 3.2 million, over previous suggestions of a flat 3.

Wu warns that Apple shares are likely to be "volatile" around the time of the official earnings report. The company is thought to be in a good position though, and Wu suggests buying stock during a low prompted by overreaction. The Kaufman price target for Apple remains at $152.


by MacNN Staff

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  1. Bobfozz

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    Joined: Jul 2008

    +3

    Apple IS smart

    Apple's vaunted secrecy enables it to spin or saying nothing (a different type of spin) on good or bad news. If they come out looking good then the analysts should look bad. But that doesn't seem to make any sense to investors for institutions who jump all over the place. Who wouldn't like to have their unaccountable for jobs?
    When I had bought Apple stock I just held onto it until I needed the money for purchasing a home. And, the stock went higher. I wasn't greedy, it served me well... something these institutional investors should learn.
    I have a feeling Apple is selling more items than the analysts are finding out about... that suits Apple just fine.

  1. testudo

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    Joined: Aug 2001

    -2

    Re: Apple IS smart

    They aren't 'secretive' about their sales. They issue forecasts (guidance) at the start of the quarter (what you'll hear in a few days) which will project low.

    Then there might be adjustments made mid-quarter, but not much (unless they really are going to be lower than projected at the beginning of the quarter).

    Then they'll announce sales that blow past their guidance, trying to wow the stock people about how well they did.

    The problem, of course, is that they (not just apple, but all companies) have done this for so long that no one listens to their guidance, and they try to predict their own numbers. This is why analysts have their 'official' consensus, and their higher but hoped for 'whisper' numbers. Brokers buy/sell on the whisper, not the public consensus, and certainly not on company guidance.

    Thus, if Apple sells better than they said they would, but less than what the market was whispering, the price will go down. Apple fans go nuts because they don't understand that the price of the stock was already selling at the thought of the expected numbers, not based on Apple's guidance. (Oh, and the price will change after the earnings call not just on what just happened, but what apple is saying will happen in the next quarter. )

  1. testudo

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    Joined: Aug 2001

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    reasons

    Oh, and please remember one thing. The reason Apple (and everyone else) guides low is not just so they can tout greater than expected earnings (like anyone cares, MS did this for years, and everyone does it these days), but also, if they gave guidance this quarter that they expected to make so much in profit, and it turns out, for whatever reasons, they made less, there'd be class-action lawsuits accusing apple of investor fraud and all sorts of fun.

    And also keep in mind that brokers are like those who play the horses. Its trying to read the history and track record and making educated guesses as to what the stock is going to do in this race (quarter). But once the race (quarter) is over, that's it. There's no celebration. No reveling in the win. It's on to the next race, which means looking at the next quarter, not what just happened.

  1. Bobfozz

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    Joined: Jul 2008

    +1

    Some truth

    Yes Testudo I buy some of what you say... since it is a fact. But it was my impression that Apple doesn't release THEIR direct sales until the announcement. For one, they can't accurately predict. This is one area where Wall St. failed... they believed their own PR or at least tried to convince others.
    For the analysts, they don't know these numbers because Apple doesn't say, so they do their own scouting reports. The scouting reports always seem off, but when you are talking millions of units or dollars, even 1% can look like a big number.
    When Apple analysts are off to often, nothing they say should be news. Picking stocks by throwing darts is just as effective.

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