woo hoo

This is like announcing you are updating dogshit. Please, please make this the last version of this piece of c*** that screwed us for YEARS, and die a quick death after.

Doofuses.

robttwo being forced?

are you being forced to use Quark XPress? Seems like it took Adobe a long time to bury PageMaker, and a few still use it. In that timeframe, before ID was really off the ground, and PM was suffering a lingering death, XPress was a useful layout tool.

Quark was very quick with an Intel version of XPress. Any time Quark makes an announcement, I can count the seconds until someone bashes it, even though they probably haven't used XPress since a few versions past.

We're still using XPress where I work. Nobody here has suffered your apparent agony because of it. It does the job fine, is AppleScriptable, and version 7 rarely hangs. I use ID3 occasionally, when it's a better tool for a particular job. It's also a nice program. Since most all our current assets, and employee experience, is in XPress, we'll continue to use it. Despite the vitriol of some vocal people who really don't add anything but flames to the discussion.

sorry tindrum

i agree with robttwo.

quark should be put down like a sick dog for its previous actions.

Same here

Although I am very curious about Quark 8 (downloading demo), this new version is going to have to deliver. Quark was great, but compared to what? Freehand and Pagemaker? It was trimmed to do what it was suppose to do, but sat on its laurels.

Along comes InDesign, implements the Adobe functions we all come to love from Illustrator and Photoshop. I can sit here and list all the little nuances that make InDesign better than Quark, but who's mind will that change. I can suggest that what will at least get Quark back to toleration is better PDF generation, better keyboard shortcuts, font management, bounding box control, stylesheets for everything, dynamic spelling and print options. That's off the top of my head.

I too still use Quark because a few clients still insist on it. Strange, it's not because THEY use it.

:)

:) There I closed that italics tag that kdogg left open.

And yet

QuarkExpress is supposedly written in Cocoa, which means it takes advantage of all the 64-bit goodness that Leopard offers, not to mention the multi-core stupidly-named "Grand Central" goodness of Snow Leopard, as opposed to Adobe and InDesign, which is using the deprecated Carbon.

But let's forget all the trash that Adobe got when it was found out that it was still using Carbon, that they'd have to do the whole re-write thing, and the next version will probably take many years to come out.

hey spindrum

No, no one is forcing me to use Quark, and I haven't used it for at least 4 years now. But for many years I was "forced" to use it because it was the only viable tool, and during that time Quark ignored it's users. It was over SIX years between the update from 3 to 4 -- they had NO customer service, offered NO educational discounts, and their volume licensing was barely a discount at all.

I don't know where you "worK" - but I dont know a single design house that couldn't wait to get rid of this. And they all have. Oh, and I'm so glad it's Applescriptable and rarely hangs -- what a ringing endorsement. Well, dogshit rarely hangs, unless it is flung.

The only thing I am being forced to do is call you a...

Doofus.

Testy

Your arguments would hold more water if you could name the products accurately.

i betcha turtleboi...

...owns neither quark, nor iD. he just did some quick wiki catch-up and jumped in as the contrarian, as usual.

snore

now down to business. quark xpress is a lingering cancer. but this cancer will surely be cured once its host dies. the host is saddled with this cancer after being force-fed the only game in town for years and years. the legacy of investment in quark's workflow makes it hard to dump it all and start over. but as these dinosaurs die off, the cancer dies with them. 90% of designers could care less to distinguish between the development methodologies of quark vs. adobe. and i don't know personally know a single relevant designer who hasn't switched away from quark.

buh bye, quark.

Enough already

Canon-Nikon, Apple-PC and now InDesign-vs-Quark. What ever spins your wheels.

Quark has incurred karmic payback for sure. If this his how you feel--use Indesign. On the other hand, if you like Quark's Type integration and like the cleaner work space, use it. If you're actually a pro in the page layout business, use both.

The cocoa-carbon thing means very little to programs like this. A jot faster and slightly more stable. Video, 3D rendering and effects processing is where that stuff counts. You could do effective print publishing with any of the new design programs on a G4.