... is anything but normal. Hope Adobe finally will be able to make flash plugin that relies on Apple's technologies, not their own.

As long as it remains an optional thing (but I thought Apple's SDK didn't allow plug-ins and such?). I hope Apple NEVER makes is a standard install of the iPhone or touch with no way to disable it.

The only real use for Flash I can see is for streaming video deployment. Having fought this battle, I can attest that Flash video is far and away the best solution for streaming live and on-demand video if you're concerned about cross-platform accessibility, especially with the new support for h.264 streams.

However, I've only seen one single other site that incorporates Flash in any useful way. Outside of www.theyrule.com and video, I have absolutely zero use for Flash, and much prefer SproutCore/Scriptaculous/JQuery for media-rich websites.

Apple has blocked the desktop version??? I'm pretty sure that neither the Intel nor the PPC binary will work on the iPhone. In fact, I bet even a recompile targeting the iPhone processor would not work because I bet there are some differences. Apple hasn't blocked anything at all. Now Apple has most certainly denigrated the desktop version, but that's very different than blocking it.

...same here, hoping to never see Flash on the iPhone (and I think we never will). Adobe can develop all they want - the license terms are clear. Aside from the fact that all they might, if anything, offer is a Flash Lite stand-alone that can sit in your dock, and that you can load individual Flash files into - just not web sites.

Though, I'm wondering - what if someone provided an alternate browser, that has Flash integrated (though I think the license terms also forbid alternate browsers - or else we'll end up with Opera and IE on the iPhone --- god forbid!)

AJAX is the way to go, forget Flash it's a CPU hog and the Mac version is crazy slow!

... the whole web world removes flash from their websites, I STILL want it!!!

I mean having YouTube on the iPhone has to have SOME start of flash player support. This too is adding new features that aren't just VIDEO related (Interactive buttons, etc), so will they be forced to add more support as long as they continue to have a YouTube section?

I'm just shocked that Adobe doesn't have the Flash Player ready for deployment. I think the outstanding question still remains – is what Adobe developing going to run as a stand-alone app, or will it reside as a Safari plug-in? If the former, it's basically useless, and under Apple's SDK TOS, I'm not even sure it's allowable.

Apple has got to be really split on this issue; they don't want the Flash competition to SproutCore, and yet they know that people want a complete web experience, and there are a ton of sites right now that we can't visit because they are mostly Flash.